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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am

CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:31 am
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:24 am
PapaG wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:27 pm
Is asking people already struggling financially to support what would be a sham Spring season worth it? Biden is already swing he’ll have mandatory masks at a federal level. It’s as Fascist as it gets but I do believe him when he says he’ll do it, and use the police to enforce it.
Being told to wear masks is not fascism...it's a simple public health order. Some people have become WAY tooliberal with the use of the terms fascist and communist without knowing what they mean.
It’s art of the anti-intellectual dumbing down of our society. If you don’t like a centrist policy, invent a nasty name & get your side all riled up. It’s great for corrupt politicians trying to get us to fight with each other, but really bad for real Americans that just want to get out of this pandemic & back to things like football.
Apparently it's bad for the economy to have a healthy population. Or we don't need healthy people to have a thriving economy. I mean, who needs customers, as long as your business is open, the economy will thrive.
There are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?
You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by GoldstoneCat » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:07 am

PapaG wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:13 pm
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:31 am
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:24 am
PapaG wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:27 pm
Is asking people already struggling financially to support what would be a sham Spring season worth it? Biden is already swing he’ll have mandatory masks at a federal level. It’s as Fascist as it gets but I do believe him when he says he’ll do it, and use the police to enforce it.
Being told to wear masks is not fascism...it's a simple public health order. Some people have become WAY tooliberal with the use of the terms fascist and communist without knowing what they mean.
It’s art of the anti-intellectual dumbing down of our society. If you don’t like a centrist policy, invent a nasty name & get your side all riled up. It’s great for corrupt politicians trying to get us to fight with each other, but really bad for real Americans that just want to get out of this pandemic & back to things like football.
State and local governments choosing which businesses are winners and which are losers based on a mostly non-fatal virus, and arresting people for trying to keep their “non-essential” businesses open, is not at all a “centrist” policy. Like when Newsom shut down the wineries in CA except for his, of course. Nope, just a “centrist” coincidence. It’s an overblown reaction to a virus that is fast-tracking millions of people to government dependency.

Anyone who takes all of these mandates and regulations without any skepticism is a lost person in the herd, IMO.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kget.c ... -open/amp/

17 News viewers want to know why a winery founded by Gov. Gavin Newsom remains open even after he ordered many businesses to close their indoor operations in the state.

Newsom ordered closures in 19 counties, including Kern County, earlier this week. Those counties have been on the state’s watchlist for COVID-19.

In the 1990s, Gavin Newsom co-founded the Plumpjack Group which operates wineries in Napa. Plumpjack is open and accepting reservations for tastings.
Boy that escalated quickly from "Biden is a fascist for trying to make people wear masks" to "insert liberal bogeyman here Gavin Newsom blah blah." Those 2 things are not the same. Newsom should have closed his winery, trump shouldn't be holding superspreader events, we can argue all day about that stuff. Calling public health measures like mask-wearing requirements, social distancing etc "fascist" makes a mockery of the term. You're welcome to go all Ammon Bundy if you like, meanwhile the rest of us will go on trying to navigate this pandemic.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by iaafan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:17 am

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:31 am
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:24 am


Being told to wear masks is not fascism...it's a simple public health order. Some people have become WAY tooliberal with the use of the terms fascist and communist without knowing what they mean.
It’s art of the anti-intellectual dumbing down of our society. If you don’t like a centrist policy, invent a nasty name & get your side all riled up. It’s great for corrupt politicians trying to get us to fight with each other, but really bad for real Americans that just want to get out of this pandemic & back to things like football.
Apparently it's bad for the economy to have a healthy population. Or we don't need healthy people to have a thriving economy. I mean, who needs customers, as long as your business is open, the economy will thrive.
There are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?
You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^
Masks definitely aren't the be-all, end-all for preventing Covid spread. I think they're referenced most, because they're the most visible. The best thing you can do is distance. I know the rule of thumb is 6 feet, but I think the more distance the better.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by blueandgoldblitz » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:28 am

I can't speak for the rest of Montana but I can tell you that people in Flathead county and the surrounding counties aren't really wearing masks. There are a couple places where the store is requiring it, but even then people are wearing the mask incorrectly either like a chin diaper or under their nose, which does nothing if, like most of us, you breathe out of your nose most of the time. That being said, there's a lot of stores that I go in in these counties where there is no one wearing masks, including employees. I'm thinking that's what's probably contributing to the spread in those places. We got away with it for a long time because we're a sparsely populated state, but it's starting to catch up with us now.


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by catsrback76 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:52 am

iaafan wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:17 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:31 am


It’s art of the anti-intellectual dumbing down of our society. If you don’t like a centrist policy, invent a nasty name & get your side all riled up. It’s great for corrupt politicians trying to get us to fight with each other, but really bad for real Americans that just want to get out of this pandemic & back to things like football.
Apparently it's bad for the economy to have a healthy population. Or we don't need healthy people to have a thriving economy. I mean, who needs customers, as long as your business is open, the economy will thrive.
There are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?
You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^
Masks definitely aren't the be-all, end-all for preventing Covid spread. I think they're referenced most, because they're the most visible. The best thing you can do is distance. I know the rule of thumb is 6 feet, but I think the more distance the better.
Not sure that the masks are NOT the "end all for preventing Covid spread". The airlines have been examined and the results are in.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod ... ne-flights



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:58 am

PapaG wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:27 pm
Is asking people already struggling financially to support what would be a sham Spring season worth it? Biden is already swing he’ll have mandatory masks at a federal level. It’s as Fascist as it gets but I do believe him when he says he’ll do it, and use the police to enforce it.
As long as we have mandatory federal school loans and they wanna do loan forgiveness, MSU might as well raise tuition. It’s free money!

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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:01 pm

catsrback76 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:52 am
iaafan wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:17 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:14 am


Apparently it's bad for the economy to have a healthy population. Or we don't need healthy people to have a thriving economy. I mean, who needs customers, as long as your business is open, the economy will thrive.
There are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?
You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^
Masks definitely aren't the be-all, end-all for preventing Covid spread. I think they're referenced most, because they're the most visible. The best thing you can do is distance. I know the rule of thumb is 6 feet, but I think the more distance the better.
Not sure that the masks are NOT the "end all for preventing Covid spread". The airlines have been examined and the results are in.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod ... ne-flights
If it is, and I'm not saying it's not, that is GREAT news. It would seem to me that we could let all businesses fully open, schools should go to five days a week, all college teams should be given the green light, and they should play in stadiums at full capacity. Require masks in all these situations and we're good to go! \:D/



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by coloradocat » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:04 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:58 am
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Is asking people already struggling financially to support what would be a sham Spring season worth it? Biden is already swing he’ll have mandatory masks at a federal level. It’s as Fascist as it gets but I do believe him when he says he’ll do it, and use the police to enforce it.
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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by onceacat » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:34 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:01 pm
catsrback76 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:52 am
iaafan wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:17 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:29 pm


There are 320 million in the US. In the past 7 days, there have been 400,000 new cases reported. Assuming the infection period is two weeks, that means there are 800,000 active cases today. That means that 319.2 million people do not have Covid right now and could walk into a store to conduct business. Only 0.25% percent of the population currently have Covid. Do you think a business can survive with 99.75% of the population healthy today?
You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^
Masks definitely aren't the be-all, end-all for preventing Covid spread. I think they're referenced most, because they're the most visible. The best thing you can do is distance. I know the rule of thumb is 6 feet, but I think the more distance the better.
Not sure that the masks are NOT the "end all for preventing Covid spread". The airlines have been examined and the results are in.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod ... ne-flights
If it is, and I'm not saying it's not, that is GREAT news. It would seem to me that we could let all businesses fully open, schools should go to five days a week, all college teams should be given the green light, and they should play in stadiums at full capacity. Require masks in all these situations and we're good to go! \:D/
That tracks with 100% of the data out there. Its pretty clear to almost everyone working in the medical field that disposable paper masks make a HUGE difference. (Think of the difference between the largely masked protests in June vs the super spreading events in Sturgis or the White House). Also, anecdotally, people in Billings have largely been ignoring the mask mandate for at least the last 2 months...and where is the hot spot for Montana infections? Correlation doesn't prove causation, but given my observations it was pretty obvious a month ago that Billings was going to be in for some trouble.

At any rate I'm inclined to think you are correct...if we had 100% mask compliance, we could get back to full openings of all the things you mention. Of course that would require (how did Papa G put it) a fascist government shipping Jews off to death camps...no, wait, it would require compliance with mask wearing, which is basically the same thing as genocide according to a couple of the posters here (not you!). But as long as a critical mass of people refuse to play along, its going to be really hard sledding getting things back to normal.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:31 am

onceacat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:34 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:01 pm
catsrback76 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:52 am
iaafan wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:17 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:06 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:45 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:25 am
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:07 am
onceacat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm


You can buy tickets for the World Series behind home plate for about $500, even though capacity is limited to 28%. Those are almost Cat-Griz ticket prices, not World Series prices.

There have never been any restrictions on flying, but tickets are down 50%.

Its obvious to anyone willing to look at data that when there's an uncontrolled disease that has a case fatally rate of 1.5-3%, people start staying home.

It has NOTHING to do with gubbmint, it has to do with people exercising common sense.
Wouldn't this imply that overall people are doing what they can to "slow the spread"? I hear we are nearing a mask shortage again. Would this be because the majority of people are wearing masks? If so many people are exercising common sense, barely flying anywhere, not attending sporting events despite cheap prices, and seem to be wearing masks.....

How come every day I see cases going up, hospitalizations going up, (deaths going down or remaining the same) people blame others for not being responsible and not using common sense to fight the virus? I have been told it's spreading because of selfish people that don't care about others. Even your couple stats above would seem to say otherwise. :-k
Just because you see folks wearing masks at Albertson's doesn't mean they don't go home and have a BBQ with 50 of their closest friends, mask free. Or weddings, or funerals, house parties, etc.

It's very clear a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are required to do so.
I guess I don't dispute that because I can't. To me it's not "very clear" a lot of people are wearing masks only when they are supposed to. Even though, in Montana, "only where they are supposed to" is basically every place except home.

To me that seems like a cop out in the whole mask debate. Just because I see people wearing masks everywhere in public, doesn't mean they are wearing them at house parties or BBQ's? Well of course not. I also have no idea if people are washing their hands behind closed doors either. Or covering their mouths when they sneeze or cough. Or wear the same nasty mask for an entire week. I don't know these things and don't claim to. The difference is the people claiming to KNOW that people not wearing masks are what is the driving force of the spread of this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/u ... index.html

Household get-togethers are helping to drive rise in cases, CDC chief says
Small gatherings are becoming a growing source of Covid-19 spread, a leading health expert said, as cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

"In the public square, we're seeing a higher degree of vigilance and mitigation steps in many jurisdictions," said CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield during a call with the nation's governors on Tuesday. Audio of the call was obtained by CNN.
"But what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine at George Washington University, said Wednesday he'd advise people to consider not having indoor Thanksgiving dinners with others who aren't in their immediate household.
"If you're lucky enough to live in a part of the country where the weather will be moderate in November, do an outdoor Thanksgiving. (But) I think in the ... places in the country where the winter comes early, I think you have to really be careful," Reiner told CNN's "New Day."

"The consequences of this virus, particularly for older folks -- the people that we really want to gather with on Thanksgiving -- can be really dire," he said. And, frankly, I'd rather do a Zoom Thanksgiving with people that I love than expose them to something that might kill them," he said.
"Next year is going to be much better. Let's get through this, and let's get through it safely."
I won't dispute that either. I have said all along I think gatherings are a main driver of the virus. I've specifically mentioned bars and restaurants where 10 different people from 10 different households are allowed to sit at a table together. But again, this isn't unique to masks which is what I responded to you. Just because I see a guy wearing a mask at Albertsons doesn't mean he's wearing one at a house party. And I agree. But just because I see a guy washing his hands after pissing at Walmart doesn't mean he's washing his hands after pissing at home. Just because I see a lady covering her mouth when she coughs at Target doesn't mean she's covering her mouth when coughing at church. This was my whole point.

There are many driving forces to the virus right now. Not wearing masks is likely one. So is bad hygiene. So is huge tables of dudes watching football games. So is schools being open. So are probably churches and house parties. Lots of things. But when cases go up do you hear people yelling, "That's because no one is washing their hands!" Nope. It's always masks. And now we'll go a step farther with even more claims that can't be proven and start saying just because I SEE people wearing masks....doesn't mean they're ALWAYS wearing masks. It's a perfect argument because it's literally unproveable. =D^
Masks definitely aren't the be-all, end-all for preventing Covid spread. I think they're referenced most, because they're the most visible. The best thing you can do is distance. I know the rule of thumb is 6 feet, but I think the more distance the better.
Not sure that the masks are NOT the "end all for preventing Covid spread". The airlines have been examined and the results are in.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod ... ne-flights
If it is, and I'm not saying it's not, that is GREAT news. It would seem to me that we could let all businesses fully open, schools should go to five days a week, all college teams should be given the green light, and they should play in stadiums at full capacity. Require masks in all these situations and we're good to go! \:D/
That tracks with 100% of the data out there. Its pretty clear to almost everyone working in the medical field that disposable paper masks make a HUGE difference. (Think of the difference between the largely masked protests in June vs the super spreading events in Sturgis or the White House). Also, anecdotally, people in Billings have largely been ignoring the mask mandate for at least the last 2 months...and where is the hot spot for Montana infections? Correlation doesn't prove causation, but given my observations it was pretty obvious a month ago that Billings was going to be in for some trouble.

At any rate I'm inclined to think you are correct...if we had 100% mask compliance, we could get back to full openings of all the things you mention. Of course that would require (how did Papa G put it) a fascist government shipping Jews off to death camps...no, wait, it would require compliance with mask wearing, which is basically the same thing as genocide according to a couple of the posters here (not you!). But as long as a critical mass of people refuse to play along, its going to be really hard sledding getting things back to normal.
I might be giving people as a whole too much credit but I think if there was any sort of plan, or end game, people would be more than likely to comply? Though, as I mentioned before, I'm not 100% convinced that a huge number of people aren't already complying. That seems to be a matter of opinion. I recall one poster saying a while back that they felt like no one was wearing masks. I replied that anymore people NOT wearing masks stick out like a sore thumb to me because my perception is everyone is wearing them.

Someone, (maybe you?) mentioned before they felt no one in Billings was wearing them. I was in Billings the week of that post and came away with a completely different viewpoint. Granted my sample size was just Scheels, the mall, our hotel, Rib and Chop, and whatever that little brewery is by the trampoline park. So obviously may not speak to all of Billings. But myself, my family, and nearly everyone I encountered seemed to be wearing masks. It would be interesting to see what the actual percentages are of people wearing masks. I truthfully believe it is the vast majority of people, including those that hate them!

But I really believe if our governor told the people; look, we are going to fully open everything. Bars can stay open until 2:00am. Restaurants can be at full capacity. Theatres can be open. Kids go to schools 5 days a week. You want football? You got it. Full capacity. High school dances and parades? Go do it! All we ask id that you wear masks. I believe more people would comply than many might think but who knows?

It'd also be nice if we were aware of some kind of plan. I'm not a moron, I know there can't be a set in stone plan for a virus. But there HAS to be some goals we're trying to hit with this thing. What is it? Are we going for zero deaths for a certain period of time? Zero hospitalizations? Zero infections?! :shock: What are we trying to accomplish? There are a reason people set goals. Because they work. Maybe the population would be more inclined to do everything asked of them if they had an understanding of the end goal, rather than feeling in the dark. And I believe almost all of us are completely in the dark.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by onceacat » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:48 am

Yeah, it was me talking about Billings. I didn't say "nobody" was wearing masks (at the same sample of Sheels, the Mall, and a couple coffee shops). I said the compliance rate was really low, like somewhere between 50-70%.

I think you are correct about the communication of some sort of metrics...From my point of view (and I'm not trying to be political on this) the failure to do so is the greatest failing from the federal government that I've seen in my life....maybe in American history.

Those metrics are out there (new case rates of <10 per 100k, positivity test rate of <5%, etc), its just that the implementation of those metrics has been inconsistent. On one hand you have total morons like the Gov of SD allowing the Sturgis rally, or Nevada opening up casinos while the case rate was increasing. At the other extreme, you have places in the Northeast & CA that are still being cautious well beyond what the epidemiologists are saying.

At the end of the day, we still have 20-30% of the population that things this is some sort of hoax...that only 12,000 people have died, that it will go away after the election, that its a fascistic attempt to load them onto trains & haul them off to the gas chambers. On the other hand, there are still people reacting as though the case fatality rate is north of 5% and that we should still be living under stay at home orders (probably 5-10% of the population)

Until we can all agree that opening/closing decisions need to be made on the best evidence available and stop politicizing the whole thing, we are stuck in the worst possible state of limbo...



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Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:19 am

onceacat wrote:
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Yeah, it was me talking about Billings. I didn't say "nobody" was wearing masks (at the same sample of Sheels, the Mall, and a couple coffee shops). I said the compliance rate was really low, like somewhere between 50-70%.

I think you are correct about the communication of some sort of metrics...From my point of view (and I'm not trying to be political on this) the failure to do so is the greatest failing from the federal government that I've seen in my life....maybe in American history.

Those metrics are out there (new case rates of <10 per 100k, positivity test rate of <5%, etc), its just that the implementation of those metrics has been inconsistent. On one hand you have total morons like the Gov of SD allowing the Sturgis rally, or Nevada opening up casinos while the case rate was increasing. At the other extreme, you have places in the Northeast & CA that are still being cautious well beyond what the epidemiologists are saying.

At the end of the day, we still have 20-30% of the population that things this is some sort of hoax...that only 12,000 people have died, that it will go away after the election, that its a fascistic attempt to load them onto trains & haul them off to the gas chambers. On the other hand, there are still people reacting as though the case fatality rate is north of 5% and that we should still be living under stay at home orders (probably 5-10% of the population)

Until we can all agree that opening/closing decisions need to be made on the best evidence available and stop politicizing the whole thing, we are stuck in the worst possible state of limbo...
Totally agree with all of this.

Serious question as I recall seeing lots of different info at the time: What came of the Sturgis rally? I remember some reports of it being a "super-spreader" that could effect more than 200,000 people. Then I thought people were saying it was a couple hundred which seemed pretty low. Did we ever get conclusive numbers on that? I believe they said over 500,000 people attended the rally over the week so I'd be curious what its impactes were.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by onceacat » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:19 am
onceacat wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:48 am
Yeah, it was me talking about Billings. I didn't say "nobody" was wearing masks (at the same sample of Sheels, the Mall, and a couple coffee shops). I said the compliance rate was really low, like somewhere between 50-70%.

I think you are correct about the communication of some sort of metrics...From my point of view (and I'm not trying to be political on this) the failure to do so is the greatest failing from the federal government that I've seen in my life....maybe in American history.

Those metrics are out there (new case rates of <10 per 100k, positivity test rate of <5%, etc), its just that the implementation of those metrics has been inconsistent. On one hand you have total morons like the Gov of SD allowing the Sturgis rally, or Nevada opening up casinos while the case rate was increasing. At the other extreme, you have places in the Northeast & CA that are still being cautious well beyond what the epidemiologists are saying.

At the end of the day, we still have 20-30% of the population that things this is some sort of hoax...that only 12,000 people have died, that it will go away after the election, that its a fascistic attempt to load them onto trains & haul them off to the gas chambers. On the other hand, there are still people reacting as though the case fatality rate is north of 5% and that we should still be living under stay at home orders (probably 5-10% of the population)

Until we can all agree that opening/closing decisions need to be made on the best evidence available and stop politicizing the whole thing, we are stuck in the worst possible state of limbo...
Totally agree with all of this.

Serious question as I recall seeing lots of different info at the time: What came of the Sturgis rally? I remember some reports of it being a "super-spreader" that could effect more than 200,000 people. Then I thought people were saying it was a couple hundred which seemed pretty low. Did we ever get conclusive numbers on that? I believe they said over 500,000 people attended the rally over the week so I'd be curious what its impactes were.
I've seen a lot of speculation, but very little documented research. Again, correlation isn't causation, but the SD cases spiked 2 weeks after the Sturgis & haven't slowed down. The fact that 2 months later, the current 3rd peak of the first wave is centered in ND, SD, MT, WY...you make some guesses. And there are lots of anecdotes, but obviously, SD isn't investing time or money into things like contact tracing, so we may never know. And, its hard to just blame the rally in Sturgis when the rest of the state was operating under the same set of rules.


We do know that 2 months later, the ICUs in Billings & Great Falls are operating at beyond 100% capacity...



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by The Butcher » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:53 am

onceacat wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm
I've seen a lot of speculation, but very little documented research. Again, correlation isn't causation, but the SD cases spiked 2 weeks after the Sturgis & haven't slowed down. The fact that 2 months later, the current 3rd peak of the first wave is centered in ND, SD, MT, WY...you make some guesses. And there are lots of anecdotes, but obviously, SD isn't investing time or money into things like contact tracing, so we may never know. And, its hard to just blame the rally in Sturgis when the rest of the state was operating under the same set of rules.
Due to a lack of contact tracing from officials in South Dakota, experts say the “true scope of infections” from the event is “unlikely to ever be known.” This week, the Washington Post conducted a survey with health departments in 23 states that found significant transmission connected to the rally, suggesting it may have caused an increase in COVID-19 cases that’s occurring now throughout the Midwest, including North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana and Minnesota.



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Post by coloradocat » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:24 am

So no new Big Sky dropouts since Sac but also no movement on a spring schedule. Any ideas on when the next move will occur?


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by ibleedblue » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:18 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:24 am
So no new Big Sky dropouts since Sac but also no movement on a spring schedule. Any ideas on when the next move will occur?
Conf said the spring schedule would be announced in November I think a couple weeks into November



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Post by Montanabob » Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:39 pm

Sam herder thinks we're going to beat the griz again but gives us shade for the playoffs.
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Montanabob wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:39 pm
Sam herder thinks we're going to beat the griz again but gives us shade for the playoffs.
https://herosports.com/fcs-football-fav ... ssion=true
He says that MSU is a one-dimensional running team, but then cites losing two receivers as a weakness? Then says we’re strong up front, which is why we’ll beat the griz but they’re built for the playoffs? :-k :-k


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by VimSince03 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:56 am

Cledus wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:22 am
Montanabob wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:39 pm
Sam herder thinks we're going to beat the griz again but gives us shade for the playoffs.
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He says that MSU is a one-dimensional running team, but then cites losing two receivers as a weakness? Then says we’re strong up front, which is why we’ll beat the griz but they’re built for the playoffs? :-k :-k
"I think MSU will beat the Griz again this spring. It’s just not a good matchup for Montana, whose weakness up front is MSU’s strength. However, I think Montana is built for a deeper playoff run and matches up better against a team like NDSU."

A few quick comments:

1) I hear NDSU also likes to run the ball down your throat.
2) If the Griz are a mismatch in the trenches with MSU on both sides of the ball...then what kind of matchup does Sam think they have against NDSU's lines.
3) The Griz offense is more explosive through the air than MSU's. That was also the case back in 2015 in their playoff matchup with NDSU where they were thumped 37-6 in a game NDSU passed for 66 yards.
4) NDSU stops the run and makes you one dimensional on offense so they can unleash a dominant pass-rush and force turnovers. So wouldn't that make UM one dimensional in a matchup with NDSU? Just curious.
5) The Griz currently don't have a starting QB either? Sure...Cam Humphrey racked up great stats against Portland State last year but Dalton Sneed he is not. Wouldn't that also play into the matchup equation?
6) It's great to talk about football again.


"There's two times of year for me: Football season, and waiting for football season."

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