ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:38 am
bobcat99 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:05 am
If we were scheduled to play like we should be, we'd be on prime time television.
Not playing is a mistake.
MSU can take in students from all across the country, but we can't play football? That's a bunch of BS.
You'll drive yourself bananas trying to make sense of the "rules" for our "safety".
We obviously have people on very opposite ends of the spectrum. That has been clear from day one. I've asked those on the other side of the coin some questions but can never figure it out.
Why can we pack 3,000 kids in the dorms but football is not safe?
Why can high school kids go to class all week but they can't cheer on those classmates at a football game?
Why were demonstrations deemed ok but funerals and weddings were not?
Why were liquor stores considered "essential" but small businesses were forced to shut down?
Why were masks not required right away? Our brightest minds really didn't know that masks could prevent spread? That's scary.
If masks are as effective as we believe, why do some businesses remained closed or with limitations?
Why are businesses and schools allowed to be open now when we have more cases than we did in April and May?
If the asymptomatic people are major spreaders, why have they again stopped testing asymptomatic people?
Why do we put so much faith in testing numbers when there have been so many testing issues?
Why are bars and restaurants forced to close early? Is Covid more prevalent after midnight?
Why are masks required when entering a bar or restaurant but only from the door to the table? Is that truly the danger zone?
Why have we not seen a crazy amount of cases in mega stores like Walmart and Costco? How are they avoiding such a dire situation?
How are athletes in the ACC, SEC and Big12 still practicing 2 weeks after deciding to try and play this fall?
How did the MLB avoid a complete shutdown after many positive cases? What are they doing to keep playing?
I'm not looking for actual answers because there obviously isn't any. Just questions I ponder every day while this entire circus unfolds.
A lot of the answers to your questions have to do with the basic behavior of the virus. Risks for spreading the virus are 1) indoor 2) close contact 3) for more than 15 minutes 4) without masks. Also, 5) we have a lot more information now (In August) than we had when the initial shutdowns were ordered (in March/April) That alone answers the vast majority most of your "questions."
Nobody has said its "safe" to pack 3,000 students in dorms. Schools across the country have cancelled dorm life as a result of dorm outbreaks. This is a classic straw man...because no-one has said dorms are safe.
High school kids ARE NOT returning to class full time. Most places, at least those with community spread are going to a sort of blended model. In Bozeman, kids are going to be in class 2 days/week. High school kids can also be required to use masks. In the places that have ignored basic safety measures, outbreaks have been common.
Funerals and weddings were only stopped for a matter of weeks. When funerals and weddings were allowed, so were demonstrations. Indoor funerals and weddings are among the highest risk activities you can do. Churches are one of the big vectors for disease. Outdoor activities, when people can distance and mask and interpersonal interactions are for a couple of minutes at best aren't terribly high risk. Sitting in close proximity to other people singing in a church with poor ventilation is a high risk activity.
Businesses weren't forced to close based on their size, they were closed based on how 'essential' their activities were. If you closed down grocery stores, people would starve. Closing down clothing retailers isn't going to cause long term harm. Specifically with regard to liquor stores, the last thing you want in the midst of a pandemic is a bunch of alcoholics going into shock & coming to the hospital. Basic public safety.
Theres a worry that the CDC is responding to political pressure from the White House in suddenly changing its testing advice. This flies in the face of basic epidemiology. You want as many people as possible to get tested. I struggle finding any reason other than political influence in changing this standard.
What testing issues are you talking about? Covid tests seem pretty much in line with every other diagnostic tool of every other disease out there. Medicine isn't perfect...ALL tests have false positives & false negatives.
The bars issue was dealt with pretty clearly by others. You don't have crowds in bars at 8AM. If bars start getting packed first thing in the morning, I'd expect some limitations on those hours too.
You wear masks in a restaurant to protect the staff from your germs. Not to protect you.
Costco instituted strict limitations early on in both visitor numbers and masking. I don't know about Wal-Mart, but as noted above, it appears to generally take a sustained interaction >15 minutes to spread the virus.
If the 3 big conferences avoid large scale outbreaks from having football practice or fans in the stands, then we will know a lot more. Nobody is arguing that we have perfect information, and reasonable people can come to different conclusions based on the same set of evidence. Maybe the SEC wants money. Maybe they are ignoring student safety. Or maybe they are correct, and they can play football without killing people in their communities. Time will tell.
Are you seriously arguing that MLB has been a success? What a freaking train wreck. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb- ... -19-cases/
I apologize for the personal attacks. But its pretty clear that you don't give a damn about the reasons/explanations, all of which have been explained in much deeper detail than I did. You might not agree with a school district going to a 2 day in person class week, or to a heath authority cancelling fans at games, but they've all been VERY transparent in their reasoning.
Like I said, people can look at the same data & come to different conclusions. Usually people who have to be accountable (public health authorities, elected officials, business owners, doctors, etc) tend to be much more conservative in their assessments than keyboard warriors on social media.
I mean, the fact that in less than 6 months, Covid is already the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, with about 1,000 preventable deaths every day.