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Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.

Not sure there will be a season.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.

That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.

The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.

So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.

Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.

Do I have to explain? We have no idea how bad this thing will get over the course of two years. Please don't pretend to know because there has been a slight dip in numbers. I already said there would be an asterisk by the body count if it exceeds 600,000 compared to the spanish flu.

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wapiti wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm

Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.

Not sure there will be a season.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.

That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.

The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.

So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.

Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.

Do I have to explain? We have no idea how bad this thing will get over the course of two years. Please don't pretend to know because there has been a slight dip in numbers. I already said there would be an asterisk by the body count if it exceeds 600,000 compared to the spanish flu.

I guess we have established that math was not your strength. All I was saying was that your comparison to Spanish flu was flawed. However, I don’t recall “pretending” that Covid was not bad. Maybe you should try to understand the flaw before pretending to be an expert.

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm

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wapiti wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm

Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.

Not sure there will be a season.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.

That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.

The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.

So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.

Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.

Do I have to explain? We have no idea how bad this thing will get over the course of two years. Please don't pretend to know because there has been a slight dip in numbers. I already said there would be an asterisk by the body count if it exceeds 600,000 compared to the spanish flu.

The chances that the death rate would increase seem incredibly unlikely. Why would you think it would?

Now, just to help with your math. (96% chance I got this wrong)

Spanish flu: 0.025% of population/month

Covid-19: 0.0086% population/month

They aren't comparable based on death rate.

Obviously I love college football. I also played for the Cats and knew their were risks to my health, and had multiple surgeries from injuries but I was never worried about viruses. Should we seriously have college athletes put their health at risk? Maybe not death but serious lung damage? I know people want to pretend this is not serious, but come on....

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wapiti wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 pm

Better to get it now during early summer than during the season this fall.

Not sure there will be a season.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.

99% and 5% doesn’t foot, but yeah you make sense. Likely lower, yeah like way lower, but when the media has an agenda you hear ****** like this. It’s gonna be under 30 deaths in MT, and your so called “seasonal flu” has killed more than that in MT this year, but of course you don’t see that in press.

As long as we have 11 guys, we’re good to go. Maybe give them all cotton face masks and latex gloves. Anything else?

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:12 pm

As long as we have 11 guys, we’re good to go. Maybe give them all cotton face masks and latex gloves. Anything else?

Yep, in the huddle the Center disinfects everyone's hands with sanitiser...beyond that I'm out of ideas.

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:12 pm

As long as we have 11 guys, we’re good to go. Maybe give them all cotton face masks and latex gloves. Anything else?

So, how many here who refuse to wear a mask recall being told when they were toddlers "Don't touch that! You'll burn your hand." by momma when they got close to a stove or shoved nails or a screwdriver in an outlet just because they were told not to? Bet you see them on motorcycles in and out of traffic or they refuse to wear life jackets on boats or don't give a rats ass how many drinks they have before climbing behind the wheel of a car. If they actually are veterans, they refused to keep their helmets or flack jackets on because they got hot--poor babies.

Bunch of spoiled brats who only give a damn about themselves and probably drive a subaru and actually serving their fellow man never entered their mind.

They are all ready disputing a lot of the deaths listed as Covid. If you get hit by a bus and have said the word you get listed as a Covid death. You can do anything with numbers. I have a large number of friends and they have a large number of different friends, none of which has personally known anyone to even be tested positive.

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:42 am

So, how many here who refuse to wear a mask recall being told when they were toddlers "Don't touch that! You'll burn your hand." by momma when they got close to a stove or shoved nails or a screwdriver in an outlet just because they were told not to? Bet you see them on motorcycles in and out of traffic or they refuse to wear life jackets on boats or don't give a rats ass how many drinks they have before climbing behind the wheel of a car. If they actually are veterans, they refused to keep their helmets or flack jackets on because they got hot--poor babies.

Bunch of spoiled brats who only give a damn about themselves and probably drive a subaru and actually serving their fellow man never entered their mind.

This might be the funniest thing I've read on here

You are really going to compare an unseen foe that experts on both sides have totally different opinions about, to a a very tangible thing that a person can see and knows 100% will burn the ****** out of them if they touch it?

This spike in new cases seems to coincide with all the blm protests and riots. What a weird coincidence, don’t you think?

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am

This spike in new cases seems to coincide with all the blm protests and riots. What a weird coincidence, don’t you think?

That certainly could be one of the contributing factors. It would be interesting to know the data gleaned from contact tracing.

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am

This spike in new cases seems to coincide with all the blm protests and riots. What a weird coincidence, don’t you think?

A possibility it’s also increase due to widespread available free testing.
They’ve been advertising in Bozeman for the last few weeks as well as Kalispel

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:18 am

They are all ready disputing a lot of the deaths listed as Covid. If you get hit by a bus and have said the word you get listed as a Covid death. You can do anything with numbers. I have a large number of friends and they have a large number of different friends, none of which has personally known anyone to even be tested positive.

First off I hope you realize that "they" who are disputing some Covid deaths can do anything with numbers too. There likely are some causes of death that have been recorded wrong and those errors can move the numbers either way. In the end I doubt that the numbers will move a significant percentage either way but we'll see. I would like the cold hard factual numbers not either sides agenda driven numbers.

Secondly, lucky you and your friends to not know anyone who has even tested positive. It would seem that you're implying that you don't know anyone who has died of covid either. I've not been as lucky. One I had done business with for over 40 years, another I had sat in church with, another served on a jury trial with years ago, and another I had lots of interaction with her children and grandkids more than her. Each of them were elderly but they were all mentally and physically active and vibrant, two of them would walk at least a mile a day along with other activities. I also know a person in their mid 80s who tested positive but never had a fever or cough or really any symptoms. They tested positive for about 18 days and then it was gone. Seems like a strange virus how extremely variable it can be.

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:36 pm

Cledus wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am

This spike in new cases seems to coincide with all the blm protests and riots. What a weird coincidence, don’t you think?

A possibility it’s also increase due to widespread available free testing.
They’ve been advertising in Bozeman for the last few weeks as well as Kalispel

That’s a good point. There’s free testing now in Billings also, and in Hardin, which has seen quite the outbreak in recent weeks.

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:58 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm

seataccat wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:24 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:54 pm

seataccat wrote: ↑

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grizzh8r wrote: ↑

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seataccat wrote: ↑

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The Butcher wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:08 pm

Not sure there will be a season.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer. There will be a season.
Covid-19 has over a 99% recovery rate. It's about the same as the common flu.

Where do you get this nonsense? The official CDC numbers say that over 5% diagnosed will die. Experts agree that it is much likely lower but it's not certain at all. Even if it's 99% survivable that is still 10X worse than the seasonal flu. Credible experts disagree about the lethality and have been wrong about this at every turn. This virus is new and nobody knows the end game here. Covid19 has the potential to be the worst pandemic in American history.

That would require nearly 700k deaths, then. Sorry, don't see that happening. Have you seen the numbers? I'm no statistician, but this is a very strong downward trend:

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+covid+deaths

It would take another half million to come even close to the Spanish flu estimate for the US. It's hyperbolic statements like this that only serve to feed the hype machine and fear mongers. Stop it!

Yea hyperbolic my asscheeks. The spanish flu killed 600,000 in two years during a war. That is ~25,000/month. This virus has killed 125,000 in four months, that is certainly on pace to rival the spanish flu ~31,000/month. The spanish flu went through several peaks and valleys in the two years it was active.

The US population in 1918 was less than one-third of what it is today. That changes your comparison significantly.

So what? The point is that we are on pace to have more people dead from this than the spanish flu. I guess we'll put an asterisk by the statistics in the history books to make you feel better.

Do I really have to explain? 25,000 per 100 million is much different than 31,000 per 360 million.

Do I have to explain? We have no idea how bad this thing will get over the course of two years. Please don't pretend to know because there has been a slight dip in numbers. I already said there would be an asterisk by the body count if it exceeds 600,000 compared to the spanish flu.

The chances that the death rate would increase seem incredibly unlikely. Why would you think it would?

Now, just to help with your math. (96% chance I got this wrong)

Spanish flu: 0.025% of population/month

Covid-19: 0.0086% population/month

They aren't comparable based on death rate.

You're right they aren't comparable, yet. The spring wave of the Spanish Flu was a mild one. It was the fall wave that was nasty and resulted in most of the deaths. Let's see how COVID plays out this fall/winter and then make comparisons.

Sadly, this virus debate and hysteria will continue all the way through November 3rd of this year. At which point, regardless of what may or may not happen with the virus or anything else, poof, it will become an afterthought and irrelevant. At least by then, it will be it will be game on for Bobcat basketball .

I want to be clear up front that I am not an expert in any way shape or form. However I do have opinions and some first hand experience. My wife (in her 50's) my daughter (in her 20"s) both tested positive for COVID 19. I did no social distancing or isolation whatsoever from my wife. We live and work together. She was pretty sick for a week, better but not perfect for a week and has now been well for about a week. My daughter doesn't live with us but I spent the day with her on a Sunday and her roommate took her too the ER the next day because of her fever (no place else to go these days) she tested positive and was sick for about 3 days and has now been well for about 10 days. She may have gotten it from my wife or somewhere else, who really knows. I tested negative a week ago and have no symptoms now or ever. My mother in law (in her 80's) also lives with us we were more careful about keeping our distance with her but she also tested negative and has had no symptoms. FWIW the nasal test sucks!!

All that to say this. It is highly unlikely we have football, or even on campus classes, this fall but that is a mistake. My apologies in advance for badly plagiarizing Mike Rowe but we have become too much of a safety first country and that's too bad because it leads to these kinds of decisions being made. If America had always been a safety first country there would be no Montana. Very little safety in panning for gold, trapping fur or homesteading. I get it that it is best to minimize risk but the whole notion of eliminating it is ridiculous. Young people do all kinds of dumb stuff and survive.Robbing them of these opportunities to play sports is a BIG mistake when they have such a narrow window in which to do so. I will miss it but the athletes are literally robbed. That may be safe but it's not fair!