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Post by AFCAT » Thu May 14, 2020 4:56 pm

Thanks, I was watching on TV and the broadcast just ended in the middle of the interview.


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Thanks, I was watching on TV and the broadcast just ended in the middle of the interview.
I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials


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Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by seataccat » Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am

Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by AFCAT » Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm

seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by seataccat » Sun May 17, 2020 12:51 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
If that were true then UC Davis would have 150 scholarships available for their players. You cannot count someone as a walkon if you offer them an academic scholarship.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by Hawks86 » Sun May 17, 2020 12:55 pm

The best head coaches at the FCS level all have really good calculators.

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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by seataccat » Sun May 17, 2020 1:01 pm

seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:51 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
If that were true then UC Davis would have 150 scholarships available for their players. You cannot count someone as a walkon if you offer them an academic scholarship.
Wow, I just read up. I stand corrected. Thanks AFCat.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by TomCat88 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
I did not know that. I’ve been telling people the wrong thing for years.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by wbtfg » Sun May 17, 2020 8:31 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
I did not know that. I’ve been telling people the wrong thing for years.
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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by bobcat99 » Mon May 18, 2020 9:26 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
I did not know that. I’ve been telling people the wrong thing for years.
You are correct for FBS, which I think is where the confusion lies. FCS has different rules. I had no idea until a year or two ago. Seems like Choate takes good advantage of it.



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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by 91catAlum » Mon May 18, 2020 10:41 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:35 pm
seataccat wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:36 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 am
Montanabob wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 pm

I guess an interesting comment was Choate said he hadn't used all his scholarships the first couple years. My question is how do you get year 5 and bring 36 people in this year and not have tons of walk-ons or half partials
My guess would be academic scholarships.
I don't think it works that way with the NCAA. If someone has an academic scholarship, it counts against your 63.
I believe that depends on a persons GPA, their class rank, and ACT or SAT test score. If a person scores high enough in those areas, they can combine academic and athletic scholarship money and it doesn’t all count against the athletic scholly.
I did not know that. I’ve been telling people the wrong thing for years.
I'm often confused on the issue too, because alot of usually knowledgeable posters here, post contradicting information.
But if you think about it, it would create a huge loophole for teams to get around the 63 scholarship limit if you had 20 or 30 guys on an academic scholarship on the team. So it surely must be the case that an academic scholly counts toward the 63. Right??


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by TomCat88 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:00 am

I was told by a previous coach that any fraction of an athlete's scholarship was counted toward the total number. That was quite a while ago, so things have probably changed or I misunderstood him. He said it was very difficult to explain, so he gave me a Reader's Digest version of how it works, so it could be that's it always been as AFCAT says and I just didn't have all the details. Pell Grants, last I heard, do not count toward scholarships, which is part of the reason it doesn't seem logical that MSU has as many "scholarship-type" players as they do. Hard to wrap your head around, I guess.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by Hawks86 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am

All it would take to get to the bottom of this, is to download the 1000's of pages of NCAA rules, and give us an answer.


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Hawks86 wrote:
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All it would take to get to the bottom of this, is to download the 1000's of pages of NCAA rules, and give us an answer.


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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by kwcat » Mon May 18, 2020 9:43 pm

It’s really not that difficult. If someone qualifies for an academic scholarship under normal academic rules they can except in the academic scholarship and also play football. Athletic scholarships are separate. Pretty simple.
In fractions or a separate matter and if found, that scholarship would then count towards an athletic scholarship

This is an additional reason why we’ve gone off after high academic quality players as well.



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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by iaafan » Tue May 19, 2020 8:02 am

kwcat wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 9:43 pm
It’s really not that difficult. If someone qualifies for an academic scholarship under normal academic rules they can except in the academic scholarship and also play football. Athletic scholarships are separate. Pretty simple.
In fractions or a separate matter and if found, that scholarship would then count towards an athletic scholarship

This is an additional reason why we’ve gone off after high academic quality players as well.
I don't think this is correct, but I can't really tell what you're saying for sure. If you're saying anyone that is on an academic scholarship can play football and it won't count against the 63 football scholarship allotment, then I think that's incorrect, but I don't know, so maybe you're right.



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Post by Cat_gld » Tue May 19, 2020 9:14 am

iaafan wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 8:02 am
kwcat wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 9:43 pm
It’s really not that difficult. If someone qualifies for an academic scholarship under normal academic rules they can except in the academic scholarship and also play football. Athletic scholarships are separate. Pretty simple.
In fractions or a separate matter and if found, that scholarship would then count towards an athletic scholarship

This is an additional reason why we’ve gone off after high academic quality players as well.
I don't think this is correct, but I can't really tell what you're saying for sure. If you're saying anyone that is on an academic scholarship can play football and it won't count against the 63 football scholarship allotment, then I think that's incorrect, but I don't know, so maybe you're right.
Thanks for clearing this up!



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Re: Jeff Choate - ESPN Roundtable

Post by Montanabob » Tue May 19, 2020 9:24 am

Cat_gld wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:14 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 8:02 am
kwcat wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 9:43 pm
It’s really not that difficult. If someone qualifies for an academic scholarship under normal academic rules they can except in the academic scholarship and also play football. Athletic scholarships are separate. Pretty simple.
In fractions or a separate matter and if found, that scholarship would then count towards an athletic scholarship

This is an additional reason why we’ve gone off after high academic quality players as well.
I don't think this is correct, but I can't really tell what you're saying for sure. If you're saying anyone that is on an academic scholarship can play football and it won't count against the 63 football scholarship allotment, then I think that's incorrect, but I don't know, so maybe you're right.
Thanks for clearing this up!
FCS programs can award up to the equivalent of 63 full scholarships, divided among no more than 85 individuals. That works out to at least 30 players without football scholarships at all.


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