iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:27 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:10 am
The Butcher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:49 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:37 pm
I’m not a trump guy. Didn’t vote for him. Think he does some crazy things. That said, I wouldn’t want to be him right now. He’s about to make the biggest decision I can recall in my life. Guys like me and probably 50% of the people wanna open it up, get back to business as normal. The other 50% would prefer lockdown as long as it takes regardless of the economy. Regardless of what he does he’s gonna get blasted.
Well Trump is going to get blasted because he has handled this entire thing horribly. Luckily state and local government have made serious efforts to flatten the curve of COVID-19.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/83279759 ... nfulfilled
I'm sure there are some things he wishes he would have done differently. As is the case often times with people in positions of power. He'll get some fair blame laid on him for sure. Probably some unfair blame as well. And like everything in life he'll get some praise he deserves as well as some praise he might not deserve.
All I know is people less than a month ago were talking about millions of people dying. Last week was supposed to be a week like Pearl Harbor and 9/11. The death toll was supposed to be devastating. Yet every single week our death toll has been lower than expected. I assume that will remain to be the case. So I guess if we're going to blame him for deaths because of inaction; by default he should get credit for the millions of lives saved!
If I'm being honest I never expected the death toll to be very high so I don't give him much credit, but also don't blame him too much. This whole thing has been a mess, but there have been many other very intelligent people who were very wrong about this whole thing, not just our president.
His daily press conferences are must-watch tv though.
Trump also said there wouldn't be any cases in the United States after a few days, among numerous misstatements he's made. Based on a guess. Those instances where predictions were made that millions would die, Pearl Harbor, etc. were based on the best available data, which in those early models were based on no one self-distancing. Do you want to know what the worst possible scenario is based on evidence or the best possible scenario based on a guess?
Ya looking back on it that was a silly statement to make. Though at the time didn't we have zero cases we were aware of? Seems like for the sake of fairness, couldn't we claim he made that statement based on evidence? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but that seems to be kind of twisting the facts for an agenda.
Experts have been making predictions based on the best data at that time. I suppose that is fair. But they haven't been remotely close to correct yet. I just feel like these predictions are just getting a free pass because no matter how far off they are, they can always just credit the numbers to social distancing. While social distancing no doubt help prevent viruses spreading, isn't it also possible that it just isn't as dangerous as predicted a month ago?
I guess I just feel that right now, a month or so in this thing, both the best and worse case scenarios are based on the data available and guesses. I just don't find it very fair that people can "guess" that the economy will be ok and their won't be any serious ramifications going forward and "guess" that without social distancing the number of American deaths would be in the millions instead of the 28,000 or wherever we're at today.
Every guess about this virus has to date has been overblown but it seems like there's built in excuses as to why that is. It'd be like me saying that that based on the current data of Americans out of work, files for unemployment, and businesses shut down, that we're for sure going to witness the worst depression in the history of the world. Those are the facts we have right now. And then in the months and years to come when we bounce back and people tell me how wrong I was; I can always just say I definitely would have been right but we opened up the economy just in time! If we didn't open it up on such and such week....I would be right for sure! Of course I couldn't prove this. It's all after the fact.
Based on the data that we have right now, based on the cases positive, hospitalizations and deaths right now, Montana should be business as usual. That's the data that we have. Of course we are being cautionary and proactive and it's helping keep our numbers down. But right now it's the only data we have to use. If we start opening back up and the cases positive sky rocket and deaths mount up that's one thing. But as of right now we can just keep predicting tens of thousands of deaths, keep schools and businesses closed, disrupt every aspect of our lives, despite the data and chalk it up to social distancing alone.