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They RARELY ever do surgery on a PCL. I have practiced as an orthopedic physical therapist for 15 years and have never seen one of these surgerys. I have treated them many times nonsurgically. Not saying they don't do surgery but I would not have it done. No first hand info on this other than my experience with this injury.
OK. Like I said I have no information about his case. I hope he gets fully better and if that means he sits out a year then so be it. I am glad he has that option. He is an amazing player and I hope we can see him play at full strength whether that be this year or next.
Well you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
Not Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
There's a long history of misdirection with TA info, and even the insiders get fooled. We'll get an idea when fall camp rolls around, and we'll know for sure when 9/5/2020 arrives. Until then it's only speculation (even from the insiders).ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 amNot Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
But I have heard similar things from people who usually have great info. I think if true, like I believe it is, it's the best thing for Troy and probably the best thing for our program going forward.
Would really add to the drama of Cat-Griz if they just simply had him suit up and run through warmups. If so, MSU should make sure Root has a camera glued to Hauck’s face.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 amNot Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
But I have heard similar things from people who usually have great info. I think if true, like I believe it is, it's the best thing for Troy and probably the best thing for our program going forward.
Agree with the sentiment. I will say that sometimes information comes directly from coaches and family. And not just in regards to Troy. Some info you can take with a grain of salt. Other info you feel really good about depending who's giving it.Darth Yoda wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:27 amThere's a long history of misdirection with TA info, and even the insiders get fooled. We'll get an idea when fall camp rolls around, and we'll know for sure when 9/5/2020 arrives. Until then it's only speculation (even from the insiders).ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 amNot Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
But I have heard similar things from people who usually have great info. I think if true, like I believe it is, it's the best thing for Troy and probably the best thing for our program going forward.
Although, I am warming up to the idea that he's 100% for the Brawl, sits for our opening playoff opponent, and then is available for our next 3 games. Yes, adding an All American to the lineup is great, but more importantly IMO, this we will need as much depth as we can muster in order to make a serious run in playoffs.
I just don't want a repeat of 2019 where he plays hobbled most of the season and ends up beat to hell for the Brawl and playoff games. Maybe he will come into fall camp 100% and he's a go for this year. That's a great alternative as well.
He'd probably be stoked about that... because remember last year that was one of his whopper excuses for the Griz getting their asses kicked... said something along the lines of, we prepared all week to stop Andersen and when he didn't suit up that threw us all out of sorts...iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:29 amWould really add to the drama of Cat-Griz if they just simply had him suit up and run through warmups. If so, MSU should make sure Root has a camera glued to Hauck’s face.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 amNot Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
But I have heard similar things from people who usually have great info. I think if true, like I believe it is, it's the best thing for Troy and probably the best thing for our program going forward.
That was literally the best part about last years cat/griz. Watching that smug prick use that excuse at the presser was effing awesome.catatac wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:50 amHe'd probably be stoked about that... because remember last year that was one of his whopper excuses for the Griz getting their asses kicked... said something along the lines of, we prepared all week to stop Andersen and when he didn't suit up that threw us all out of sorts...iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:29 amWould really add to the drama of Cat-Griz if they just simply had him suit up and run through warmups. If so, MSU should make sure Root has a camera glued to Hauck’s face.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 amNot Always!iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:09 amWell you always have good inside information, so it looks like Troy is out.ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:54 amMy guess is we don't see Troy until November, if at all. I'd rather have a 100% healthy Troy Andersen in two seasons than a 60-70% Troy this year.
I think it's a good move personally.
MSU beat UM, Albany and Austin Peay without Troy. Hardy and Okada played great while he was out.
But I have heard similar things from people who usually have great info. I think if true, like I believe it is, it's the best thing for Troy and probably the best thing for our program going forward.
Yes, you are crazy. TA loves being a Bobcat. Sure, anything is possible. But I'll bet the farm this doesn't happen.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:56 pmMaybe I'm crazy but is it possible we never see him suit up for the Cats again if he doesn't play in 2020? NFL scouts already know what he is capable of. If what Colter said about the scouts he talked to is the sentiment of all NFL scouts, then TA has nothing left to prove because everyone knows he is a TD machine.
Nothing left to prove? He's at best, and I think I'm being fairly optimistic here, a 5th round pick. As far as the NFL goes, he has a lot to prove.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:56 pmMaybe I'm crazy but is it possible we never see him suit up for the Cats again if he doesn't play in 2020? NFL scouts already know what he is capable of. If what Colter said about the scouts he talked to is the sentiment of all NFL scouts, then TA has nothing left to prove because everyone knows he is a TD machine.
Yep, that's exactly what poster above said... ideal scenario (if in fact he's not playing the full season in 2020) would be if plays Cat\Griz, sits the first playoff game, plays in the next three, and we still get him for all of 2021.
I agree he still has things left to prove. I'm just saying scouts already have him pegged as a TD maker. I'm guessing whether he plays offense, defense or both when he gets back on the field that won't change. He's been hurt all year the last 2 years. I'm just saying maybe he doesn't play for us again. Do I think he will? Yes, but I think it's possibly he doesn't.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:42 pmNothing left to prove? He's at best, and I think I'm being fairly optimistic here, a 5th round pick. As far as the NFL goes, he has a lot to prove.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:56 pmMaybe I'm crazy but is it possible we never see him suit up for the Cats again if he doesn't play in 2020? NFL scouts already know what he is capable of. If what Colter said about the scouts he talked to is the sentiment of all NFL scouts, then TA has nothing left to prove because everyone knows he is a TD machine.
He's basically a position-less player at this point. Is he a LB? Is he a RB? A TE? An H-Back? We really don't know. He can play all of them, but what is he?
This isn't a slight. Troy is obviously an amazing player, an amazing athlete, one of the best to come to MSU period...but nothing left to prove? No way.
Colter has said that the scouts have him pegged as an offensive player in the NFL. If the kid really does have NFL aspirations he would be best suited to RS next year. His draft prospect would probably not go up much playing LB. He would be better suited healing up and training his ass off for the combine or pro day, maybe tearing it up in four games. Would it really do him any good personally to play both sides of the ball next year? sacrificing his body? I would hate to see that, it would suck for us bobcat fans but who could blame him. Just sayin'.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:27 pmI agree he still has things left to prove. I'm just saying scouts already have him pegged as a TD maker. I'm guessing whether he plays offense, defense or both when he gets back on the field that won't change. He's been hurt all year the last 2 years. I'm just saying maybe he doesn't play for us again. Do I think he will? Yes, but I think it's possibly he doesn't.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:42 pmNothing left to prove? He's at best, and I think I'm being fairly optimistic here, a 5th round pick. As far as the NFL goes, he has a lot to prove.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:56 pmMaybe I'm crazy but is it possible we never see him suit up for the Cats again if he doesn't play in 2020? NFL scouts already know what he is capable of. If what Colter said about the scouts he talked to is the sentiment of all NFL scouts, then TA has nothing left to prove because everyone knows he is a TD machine.
He's basically a position-less player at this point. Is he a LB? Is he a RB? A TE? An H-Back? We really don't know. He can play all of them, but what is he?
This isn't a slight. Troy is obviously an amazing player, an amazing athlete, one of the best to come to MSU period...but nothing left to prove? No way.