Fair Pay to Play act signed in California

[RickRund]

Title 9 was the first thing I thought of. Do they just let the free market determine who gets paid? Will you see top women's players paid? What about lesser watched sports like tennis? Gotta get that Penn monay!!

I think "free market" is exactly the answer. The schools and conferences and NCAA would have nothing to do with who gets paid. It would be just like any other celebrity scenario where a company offers an endorsement deal to an individual of their choosing and that individual has the right to say yes or no.

So Title IX wouldn't presumably come into play as this would really have no connection to opportunities through the school. But I could easily be wrong. There's obviously going to be a lot of legal discussions about this as this moves forward, starting with the fact that we now have a state law that conflicts with the bylaws of a non-profit organization that has contracts with all of these schools (NCAA). Currently, if a student does accept payment for endorsements, etc., they will not be eligible to participate in NCAA sanctioned events, I assume?

can the recruit/player hire an agent?

Don't know, but that would seemingly help any of them that were actually in a position to get endorsement deals. They certainly should be able to, IMO.

I am only going off memory but I believe the legislation states they can hire an agent.

[catbooster]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

Casey Bauman's employer makes billions in profit? Well, hell. I'm not donating to build them an IPF or stadium improvements.

[catsrback76]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

Casey Bauman's employer makes billions in profit? Well, hell. I'm not donating to build them an IPF or stadium improvements.

With all due respect men, this is about making College Sports a professional enterprise, NOT about Marxism vs Capitalism! The moment we open Pandora's box fully and allow boys to be paid to play college sports as professionals, then we end the scholarship aspects of the game and let them pay for the privilege themselves...

Oh, by the way, the system as it stands isn't unfair for these kids who can excel and play at the next level as professionals...because anyone who is good enough will get paid. Right now, most won't be paid to play, except to get the monies needed to get an education. The NCAA might be broke, but it isn't wrong.

[onceacat]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

Casey Bauman's employer makes billions in profit? Well, hell. I'm not donating to build them an IPF or stadium improvements.

I think the “employer” in question is the NCAA, although I can certainly see how reasonable people might disagree. Of course, that’s part of what makes the NCAA so corrupt...All the subterfuge.

[onceacat]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

Casey Bauman's employer makes billions in profit? Well, hell. I'm not donating to build them an IPF or stadium improvements.

With all due respect men, this is about making College Sports a professional enterprise, NOT about Marxism vs Capitalism! The moment we open Pandora's box fully and allow boys to be paid to play college sports as professionals, then we end the scholarship aspects of the game and let them pay for the privilege themselves...

Oh, by the way, the system as it stands isn't unfair for these kids who can excel and play at the next level as professionals...because anyone who is good enough will get paid. Right now, most won't be paid to play, except to get the monies needed to get an education. The NCAA might be broke, but it isn't wrong.

Honest question: why isn’t Pandora’s Box opened when coaches, ADs, the staff at the NCAA, ESPN, and so on and so forth become insanely rich off the play of these ‘boys’?

It really sounds like you are saying that somehow by cutting the ‘boys’ in the same get rich quick scheme as the ‘men’, that somehow anything changes?

[catsrback76]

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

Casey Bauman's employer makes billions in profit? Well, hell. I'm not donating to build them an IPF or stadium improvements.

With all due respect men, this is about making College Sports a professional enterprise, NOT about Marxism vs Capitalism! The moment we open Pandora's box fully and allow boys to be paid to play college sports as professionals, then we end the scholarship aspects of the game and let them pay for the privilege themselves...

Oh, by the way, the system as it stands isn't unfair for these kids who can excel and play at the next level as professionals...because anyone who is good enough will get paid. Right now, most won't be paid to play, except to get the monies needed to get an education. The NCAA might be broke, but it isn't wrong.

Honest question: why isn’t Pandora’s Box opened when coaches, ADs, the staff at the NCAA, ESPN, and so on and so forth become insanely rich off the play of these ‘boys’?

It really sounds like you are saying that somehow by cutting the ‘boys’ in the same get rich quick scheme as the ‘men’, that somehow anything changes?

The simple difference is that Coach Choate is hired to do a job and his life is bound to his profession. The kids playing, are playing for the love of the game and possibly a chance to play "professionally". Giving the player a financial help with education enabling them to not only play, but to get an education for their profession is a nice middle ground...IMO.

[CelticCat]

The industry has evolved, and everyone has gotten rich off it... except the players. I don't know what the answer is but at this point I don't see how you can justify not cutting players in at all for the multi-billion dollar industry they have created. You may not like it, I'm not sure I do, but it's fair because the NCAA and universities have all treated it like a for-profit industry, and since that is the case it is only fair to let the players make some money too.

[kennethnoisewater]

The industry has evolved, and everyone has gotten rich off it... except the players. I don't know what the answer is but at this point I don't see how you can justify not cutting players in at all for the multi-billion dollar industry they have created. You may not like it, I'm not sure I do, but it's fair because the NCAA and universities have all treated it like a for-profit industry, and since that is the case it is only fair to let the players make some money too.

This is about where I'm at on this too. I hated it at first. Just a chance for the rich to get richer. But the rich already get richer by getting huge donations to attract players to schools through facilities and the like. This is just more direct. Now the same money isn't funneled into schools, and that's what worries universities and the NCAA. Having said that, I still don't particularly like it. I think it's a problem that needs a solution, I just don't think this is the solution. I do think this muddies the waters about amateur athletics, and especially interscholastic athletics. I just think there was so much pressure to make a change that they made one that's not quite right.

My general impression is that this is just a part of our disease of comparison. I think we all have so much trouble being satisfied because we compare our situation to somebody else's, and that's not good. Sure, some people just flat-out can't make it on what they get, and in those cases we need to address that issue. But I think too often we just say "no fair, that guy has more", and think that gives us the right to have what he has. I think compensation at a level commensurate with the contribution a person makes to an entity is the basis of a free market system. But we can't forget that the Universities, at some level, are giving these athletes an opportunity to make a name for themselves. If Ed O'Bannon didn't play for one of the most decorated basketball programs of all time, nobody cares about him. I'm not saying Ed O'Bannon doesn't deserve to be paid for his likeness, but I do think UCLA deserves a heck of a lot of the value for that contribution or payment.

I think the NCAA is corrupt, but I also think it has a tough job managing the insane amounts of money injected into member schools for certain sports while providing a platform for the vast majority of the athletes at member schools in sports that are financial losers. Like so many other things, the answer is not a simple one even though everybody on the internet thinks it's a no-brainer. It's unfortunate, with all the super-geniuses we have on Twitter and message boards like this one, that there are any problems in the world at all.

[91catAlum]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

[cats2506]

The industry has evolved, and everyone has gotten rich off it... except the players. I don't know what the answer is but at this point I don't see how you can justify not cutting players in at all for the multi-billion dollar industry they have created. You may not like it, I'm not sure I do, but it's fair because the NCAA and universities have all treated it like a for-profit industry, and since that is the case it is only fair to let the players make some money too.

This is about where I'm at on this too. I hated it at first. Just a chance for the rich to get richer. But the rich already get richer by getting huge donations to attract players to schools through facilities and the like. This is just more direct. Now the same money isn't funneled into schools, and that's what worries universities and the NCAA. Having said that, I still don't particularly like it. I think it's a problem that needs a solution, I just don't think this is the solution. I do think this muddies the waters about amateur athletics, and especially interscholastic athletics. I just think there was so much pressure to make a change that they made one that's not quite right.

My general impression is that this is just a part of our disease of comparison. I think we all have so much trouble being satisfied because we compare our situation to somebody else's, and that's not good. Sure, some people just flat-out can't make it on what they get, and in those cases we need to address that issue. But I think too often we just say "no fair, that guy has more", and think that gives us the right to have what he has. I think compensation at a level commensurate with the contribution a person makes to an entity is the basis of a free market system. But we can't forget that the Universities, at some level, are giving these athletes an opportunity to make a name for themselves. If Ed O'Bannon didn't play for one of the most decorated basketball programs of all time, nobody cares about him. I'm not saying Ed O'Bannon doesn't deserve to be paid for his likeness, but I do think UCLA deserves a heck of a lot of the value for that contribution or payment.

I think the NCAA is corrupt, but I also think it has a tough job managing the insane amounts of money injected into member schools for certain sports while providing a platform for the vast majority of the athletes at member schools in sports that are financial losers. Like so many other things, the answer is not a simple one even though everybody on the internet thinks it's a no-brainer. It's unfortunate, with all the super-geniuses we have on Twitter and message boards like this one, that there are any problems in the world at all.

good post

[kennethnoisewater]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

I was going to say something about this in my post but it got too long, haha. I think there are a handful of people getting rich, like Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney, maybe some TV execs, but I don't have a problem with that. If somebody's that good at what they do, they deserve to be paid well. If it was easy we'd all do it. There is a ton of money that goes to the universities, and that money is spent lavishly on recruiting, facilities, and obviously on other sports that don't make money or actually lose money. But I really believe that money is spent on students, it's just not given to students. Programs, when abiding by NCAA rules, are trying to find ways to give the best "stuff" to student-athletes to attract them to their university. Locker rooms are for the players. Training facilities are for the players. Stadiums are for the players as well as the fans. But beyond coaches' salaries, locker rooms, training facilities, and stadiums, is there really a bunch of money going through back channels and lining the pockets of anybody? I don't know the answer to that and if there is, I do believe there's something that needs to be exposed.

[91catAlum]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

I was going to say something about this in my post but it got too long, haha. I think there are a handful of people getting rich, like Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney, maybe some TV execs, but I don't have a problem with that. If somebody's that good at what they do, they deserve to be paid well. If it was easy we'd all do it. There is a ton of money that goes to the universities, and that money is spent lavishly on recruiting, facilities, and obviously on other sports that don't make money or actually lose money. But I really believe that money is spent on students, it's just not given to students. Programs, when abiding by NCAA rules, are trying to find ways to give the best "stuff" to student-athletes to attract them to their university. Locker rooms are for the players. Training facilities are for the players. Stadiums are for the players as well as the fans. But beyond coaches' salaries, locker rooms, training facilities, and stadiums, is there really a bunch of money going through back channels and lining the pockets of anybody? I don't know the answer to that and if there is, I do believe there's something that needs to be exposed.

Thank you, that's kinda what I was getting at. Yes it's a billion dollar industry but it's not like some group of corporate execs somewhere are lining their pockets with that money while athletes get nothing in return. It sure seems like the vast majority of that money is turned back around to the universities themselves.

[BleedingBLue]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

That's really a great question. Maybe somebody needs to ask Mark Emmert that question. A little transparency might be very good in this situation. I'm sure it will never happen, but what if a percentage of NCAA profits were split evenly between teams at each division based on profitability? Like professional CBAs in a sense. That money could go towards "payments" to each athlete on each team, in equal amounts regardless of sport. Scholarships could stay in place to pay for education, room & board etc. On top of that, companies like EA sports could pay each athlete from any team they feature on a game a one time fee each year that their character is put into a new game, and they are then allowed to use real names as well.

[91catAlum]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

That's really a great question. Maybe somebody needs to ask Mark Emmert that question. A little transparency might be very good in this situation. I'm sure it will never happen, but what if a percentage of NCAA profits were split evenly between teams at each division based on profitability? Like professional CBAs in a sense. That money could go towards "payments" to each athlete on each team, in equal amounts regardless of sport. Scholarships could stay in place to pay for education, room & board etc. On top of that, companies like EA sports could pay each athlete from any team they feature on a game a one time fee each year that their character is put into a new game, and they are then allowed to use real names as well.

I'm pretty sure the NCAA does redistribute most of the money they receive back to the universities. But I have no idea how that's done exactly. Perhaps it's kept under wraps for similar reasons listed here - some universities will cry that it's not fair.

[Hawks86]

Where does the NCAA money go? https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/file ... Go-WEB.PDF

[91catAlum]

Where does the NCAA money go? https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/file ... Go-WEB.PDF

Thanks!! So there is $821 million generated, and all but $40 million gets distributed back to college athletics in some fashion.

[CelticCat]

Where does the NCAA money go? https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/file ... Go-WEB.PDF

Thanks!! So there is $821 million generated, and all but $40 million gets distributed back to college athletics in some fashion.

Very important distinction here:

"The Division I College Football Playoff and bowl games are independently operated, and the NCAA does not receive revenue from these events. "

[grizzh8r]

Where does the NCAA money go? https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/file ... Go-WEB.PDF

Thanks!! So there is $821 million generated, and all but $40 million gets distributed back to college athletics in some fashion.

Very important distinction here:

"The Division I College Football Playoff and bowl games are independently operated, and the NCAA does not receive revenue from these events. "

And that's also the reason why FBS doesn't really have a true playoff system - you know, like EVERY OTHER SPORT DOES... smh

[Cledus]

Where does the NCAA money go? https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/file ... Go-WEB.PDF

Thanks!! So there is $821 million generated, and all but $40 million gets distributed back to college athletics in some fashion.

Very important distinction here:

"The Division I College Football Playoff and bowl games are independently operated, and the NCAA does not receive revenue from these events. "

And that's also the reason why FBS doesn't really have a true playoff system - you know, like EVERY OTHER SPORT DOES... smh

The FCS has always been the NCAA’s highest level of championship football. People laugh at me when I make this claim, but show me one FBS championship trophy with the NCAA’s name on it.

[onceacat]

I'm not sure I understand who exactly is getting rich off college football. Certainly the universities make money, and at the P5 level they make a lot of it. They also have hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities.
The NCAA makes money too, but where does that money go?

I was going to say something about this in my post but it got too long, haha. I think there are a handful of people getting rich, like Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney, maybe some TV execs, but I don't have a problem with that. If somebody's that good at what they do, they deserve to be paid well. If it was easy we'd all do it. There is a ton of money that goes to the universities, and that money is spent lavishly on recruiting, facilities, and obviously on other sports that don't make money or actually lose money. But I really believe that money is spent on students, it's just not given to students. Programs, when abiding by NCAA rules, are trying to find ways to give the best "stuff" to student-athletes to attract them to their university. Locker rooms are for the players. Training facilities are for the players. Stadiums are for the players as well as the fans. But beyond coaches' salaries, locker rooms, training facilities, and stadiums, is there really a bunch of money going through back channels and lining the pockets of anybody? I don't know the answer to that and if there is, I do believe there's something that needs to be exposed.

I think telling a kid who has life altering injuries “you got paid with a nice locker room” while a whole host of executives become multi millionaires is more than a little disingenuous.

Why not just dispense with the NCAA’s pretense of giving a rats ass about anything other than the money & just acknowledge that football & mens BB is a farm system for the pros?

I don’t know about you, but I still loved minor league baseball & nobody is making them pretend to care about school.