Fair Pay to Play act signed in California

[catsrback76]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Creating a system where the wealthy get wealthier and the poor poorer so that the big corporations/uni's monopolise through strength is not only not competitive, it's rampant capitalistic greed and it's not better!

[Rich K]

This is going to be where I step away from college football. When corporate interests decide they get to have a piece of the athlete's time and attention the athlete will have no time for being a student. I have no interest in being part of that.

[SonomaCat]

This is only a good thing if one is in favor of capitalism and the idea of people who work hard to earn something and excel in their craft being the ones who are paid for that work.

It's kind of like how students get paid for doing internships while in college ... instead of the college or a conference getting paid for their work.

If a guy can make money doing endorsements, what motivation would any of us free enterprise loving Americans have to say they shouldn't?

As we were discussing at work today, this could actually be a huge advantage for schools like MSU and UM. If you had offers from, say, Colorado State and Montana State, and these rules were in place nationally, which one would you pick?

Would you go to Colorado State, where you would be a D List sports celebrity at best (behind every player for the Broncos, Nuggets, Avs, and whatever soccer team is in Denver)? Or would you go to MSU, where you could be THE premier sports celebrity in the entire state? I think this could really benefit schools that are outside of major media markets, as those major markets are already dominated by pro athletes.

[SonomaCat]

This is going to be where I step away from college football. When corporate interests decide they get to have a piece of the athlete's time and attention the athlete will have no time for being a student. I have no interest in being part of that.

When you consider how much money corporate interests already pay for bowl game sponsorships, stadium naming rights, donations to athletic programs, jersey sponsorships, TV and radio sponsorships, and the million other ways that corporate money ends up in college sports, I'd say that ship has sailed. This law may just mean that instead of making over $5 million per year, the President of the Pac-12 may only be able to make $4 million, because some of that money will instead go to the athletes whose bodies are being destroyed for our pleasure.

[onceacat]

Can a H.S kid sign an endorsement and still play H.S. sports?
Couldnt/shouldn't a H.S. kid be allowed to sign an endorsement with his parents permission under this law?
If this is specifically about the NCAA, then it doesn't apply to NAIA?
I honestly don't know enough about what the new law says. And frankly I'm torn between my belief in the free market system, and my love of college sports.

Yes, high school kids can be endorsed. Yes, parents can sign an endorsement deal for their kids.

There may be state laws that prohibit students who compete in state sanctioned events from signing endorsements, but in many sports, clubs have replaced schools, so that's sort of a non-issue.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that paying college athletes is good for sports...it probably isn't. But its clearly in the best interest of the student signing the endorsement.

[onceacat]

This is going to be where I step away from college football. When corporate interests decide they get to have a piece of the athlete's time and attention the athlete will have no time for being a student. I have no interest in being part of that.

When you consider how much money corporate interests already pay for bowl game sponsorships, stadium naming rights, donations to athletic programs, jersey sponsorships, TV and radio sponsorships, and the million other ways that corporate money ends up in college sports, I'd say that ship has sailed. This law may just mean that instead of making over $5 million per year, the President of the Pac-12 may only be able to make $4 million, because some of that money will instead go to the athletes whose bodies are being destroyed for our pleasure.

Its worth Googling the story of Ed O'Bannon and where this all started. The NCAA sold his image to EA Sports (I think) for its NCAA Basketball game. O'Bannon got completely hosed while the NCAA got rich off of him. Not what he did on the court, but by selling the right to use his image in a video game.

The NCAA is a borderline criminal organization.

[Cataholic]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

[bobcat99]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

[catsrback76]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

Actually, he said that it was something he did like about FCS football. The kids work for a degree and the right to play the game of football at this level.

[Cataholic]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

I am sure that if it is in google it is automatically true. If it is on social media or twitter or an internet fan board, it is definitely accurate. I don’t think so!!

The matter of the fact is that each school has a set of rules they must abide by. If they don’t, they are subject to major penalties and fines.

[bobcat99]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

Actually, he said that it was something he did like about FCS football. The kids work for a degree and the right to play the game of football at this level.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Thanks!

[bobcat99]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

I am sure that if it is in google it is automatically true. If it is on social media or twitter or an internet fan board, it is definitely accurate. I don’t think so!!

The matter of the fact is that each school has a set of rules they must abide by. If they don’t, they are subject to major penalties and fines.

Are you telling me you don't believe players get paid in various ways?

You're either wilfully naive, or blindly ignorant.

I'm glad you dropped the major one though! That was also pretty obvious.

But seriously dude, do just a little research. It's not hard to find these things.

[GoldstoneCat]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

This, x1000. This is about the opposite of Marxism, this has the potential to be unfettered, highest- bidder capitalism. Great if you're a fan of those with the most resources. Unsure how FCS, hell even FBS non power 5 play in this world.

[Cataholic]

It's just legalizing what's already going on.

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

I am sure that if it is in google it is automatically true. If it is on social media or twitter or an internet fan board, it is definitely accurate. I don’t think so!!

The matter of the fact is that each school has a set of rules they must abide by. If they don’t, they are subject to major penalties and fines.

Are you telling me you don't believe players get paid in various ways?

You're either wilfully naive, or blindly ignorant.

I'm glad you dropped the major one though! That was also pretty obvious.

But seriously dude, do just a little research. It's not hard to find these things.

Do you browbeat everybody when you have a conversation? Awful... In 30 seconds, you managed to call me naïve, ignorant and DUDE. How old are you?

So you want me to do some research? It would seem that every school, especially the Power 5 programs, have personnel designated for rules compliance. Many of them even have full departments!!! It would also seem that the NCAA has a full department that is dedicated to compliance as well. They have even fined schools for violations. And I didn't even have to google that...

As for Trent Richardson, a quick google search yields a handful of allegations on SOCIAL MEDIA or fringe fan boards about improper financial benefits. You do not see NBC, ABC, ESPN, Fox News or CNN running a story about improper financial benefits. If social media was a reputable factual source of information, you would see Trump, Pelosi, Obama and Bush all in prison right now. However, if you go over to ESPN, you will find a great 30 for 30 documentary on the death penalty imposed on SMU for improper benefits to football players.

And Trent Richardson is not the highest character guy to play football. There is absolulutely zero evidence that a booster or school representative paid him anything. He could have been selling memorabilia or dealing drugs for all we know.

Here is your statement: "THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships." You are painting a very broad brush. There are probably some bad actors out there, but such an accusation is reckless.

By the way, I didn't contest your other accusation on "students being forced to take specific classes" because it is not worth arguing. Being a D1 athelete is a full time job and being a student is a full time job. Sometimes students cannot take certain classes at certain times because of obligations to the football program like practice. You stated that "athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not" is once again a very vague and broad statement. Any coach caught telling a student what they are allowed to major in would be terminated and never allowed to coach again.

[bobcat99]

The NCAA, at this point, is going to be forced to change. There are several other states that have introduced similar bills and it is only a matter of time before the NCAA has to accept that this is happening, and make sure that the playing field is leveled for athletes benefiting from their likeness. The current bill passed by CA will Likely only affect the highest of star recruits, because Nike isn't going to sign some 3 star recruit who may or may not end up being good. And the schools will just stop using images of non "star" players on posters, advertisements etc. so they aren't forced to compensate more than a couple players for the images.

in a place like USC I can see smaller companies paying less known players, car dealers for example.

I see Nike paying an entire team a stipend of $50000 for seniors, 40000 for juniors, 30000 for sophomore, 20000 for freshman. If not Nike, a rich alumni, or Gambler, who wants a national championship.

And therein lies the problem. Once the dam breaks, that's exactly what will happen. The best athletes going to the highest bidder, with a little help from the transfer portal.

It's step 1 of destroying college sports.

Definitely is just that, but really is part of a larger scheme of destroying Free Enterprise (which is at the heart and spirit of our constitution) that has been going on for 40+ years that I remember. Competition of any sort does not fit the mold of 'Marxist Equality" took every other country that embraced it to domination by 1 or a few! Just follow the world money.

Ah yes. Paying workers for the contributions they make towards a product = Marxism. Bravo!

Destroying the competition nature of college football, or any long standing cohesive group of people, especially those with any money and/or power is at the heart of the Socialist movement which takes its heart from Marxism. Read some history and see where that got Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

FFS. “Paying” Trevor Lawrence the exact same wage as Casey Bauman Is Marxism.

Denying Trevor Lawrence and Casey Bauman the ability to sell their own labor while their employer turns a multi billion profit off said labor is about as Marxist as you can get.

Holy Cow.

This, x1000. This is about the opposite of Marxism, this has the potential to be unfettered, highest- bidder capitalism. Great if you're a fan of those with the most resources. Unsure how FCS, hell even FBS non power 5 play in this world.

About the same as we have been.

Will anybody from the P5 play in the playoffs? Highly unlikely.

And we won't be able to bid enough money to get the Trevor Lawrence's of the world?! That will change so much!

Alabama has over a dozen analysts. Either Bama or Ohio State has 97 football staffers. They can afford to pay a lot. Alabama pays $19 million in coaching salaries. $3.7 million to support staffers. They spend $1.5 million on recruiting. And this was from two years ago! College football is already about those with the most resources. Facilities, coaches, nutrition, support staff, those with the most and best, typically do the best.

[Rich K]

Time to sever athletics from the University system. I love Billings Mustangs baseball....

[bobcat99]

Worst reason ever to legalize something. If that's the standard, what laws would we have anywhere in society?

I didn't give that as a reason, just pointing it out.

People keep on saying that the athletes getting paid will ruin the sport. THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships. It hasn't ruined the sport yet.

Personally, I'm all for the student-athletes, who will ensure life long health problems, getting some compensation. I'm all for student-athletes, who contribute to millions of dollars earned by each school, getting some compensation. There have been studies that say schools with better football teams see increased enrollment. The coaches can get paid millions, but it'll kill the sport to pay the athletes themselves. Bogus.

And yes, I know, they get a scholarship. Woohoo. In the Power 5, athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not. But paying them money will kill the sport. It's BS.

Are you serious? They are told their major. Most or some...

His accusation against Power 5 schools is full of BS. It is all rumors and accusations. To say students can’t choose their major and have nice cars and no show jobs is pure stupidity.

Are you serious?

Do you know how many players want to take different degrees than what they do? Choate mentioned it in his Cal Poly press conference, I believe. This is easily verifiable.

All it takes is a quick Google search to see players with cars beyond their financial means. Again, easily verifiable.

If you believe that college kids are driving expensive cars from boosters and they can’t choose their own major, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you. SMU received the death penalty for those types of transgressions and any school that skirts those rules are subject to huge penalties.

Oh?

So Trent Richardson driving a $40k SUV in college is normal, right? Especially considering he was raised by a single mom, and didn't have a lot of money growing up. I mean, Google any big school, and football player cars after that. It's no big secret. Proof might be hard to come by, but it's obviously there.

Our own coach said in his last conference call that in the P5, you wouldn't have students worried about engineering exams like we are here. He said that was something he didn't like.

http://dailyorange.com/2018/02/su-athle ... nal-trend/

I am sure that if it is in google it is automatically true. If it is on social media or twitter or an internet fan board, it is definitely accurate. I don’t think so!!

The matter of the fact is that each school has a set of rules they must abide by. If they don’t, they are subject to major penalties and fines.

Are you telling me you don't believe players get paid in various ways?

You're either wilfully naive, or blindly ignorant.

I'm glad you dropped the major one though! That was also pretty obvious.

But seriously dude, do just a little research. It's not hard to find these things.

Do you browbeat everybody when you have a conversation? Awful... In 30 seconds, you managed to call me naïve, ignorant and DUDE. How old are you?

So you want me to do some research? It would seem that every school, especially the Power 5 programs, have personnel designated for rules compliance. Many of them even have full departments!!! It would also seem that the NCAA has a full department that is dedicated to compliance as well. They have even fined schools for violations. And I didn't even have to google that...

As for Trent Richardson, a quick google search yields a handful of allegations on SOCIAL MEDIA or fringe fan boards about improper financial benefits. You do not see NBC, ABC, ESPN, Fox News or CNN running a story about improper financial benefits. If social media was a reputable factual source of information, you would see Trump, Pelosi, Obama and Bush all in prison right now. However, if you go over to ESPN, you will find a great 30 for 30 documentary on the death penalty imposed on SMU for improper benefits to football players.

And Trent Richardson is not the highest character guy to play football. There is absolulutely zero evidence that a booster or school representative paid him anything. He could have been selling memorabilia or dealing drugs for all we know.

Here is your statement: "THEY ALREADY GET PAID! Whether it's through a nice job, cars, family member getting a job/house, hell, Saban owns a couple dealerships." You are painting a very broad brush. There are probably some bad actors out there, but such an accusation is reckless.

By the way, I didn't contest your other accusation on "students being forced to take specific classes" because it is not worth arguing. Being a D1 athelete is a full time job and being a student is a full time job. Sometimes students cannot take certain classes at certain times because of obligations to the football program like practice. You stated that "athletes get told what they're allowed to major in, and what they're not" is once again a very vague and broad statement. Any coach caught telling a student what they are allowed to major in would be terminated and never allowed to coach again.

Your last paragraph is blatantly false.

.When I was 10 years old, I wrote an article for the local newspaper that asked me what school I wanted to go to and what I wanted to study. I said Purdue University in their school of Engineering. I didn’t know that one day I would actually be able to attend Purdue on an athletic scholarship. But I wouldn’t be able to go for Engineering. Neither would I be able to go for Athletic Training, my second choice, which I wanted to use to create a path into Physical Therapy School. I was told that the Engineering caseload and class schedule would not work, especially if I had dreams of playing. I was told I would not be able to receive my hours for Athletic Training because they were mostly during football season and spring practice. At that point, I was on my third choice which wasn’t even a choice. I was literally just there to play football. Having two choices of my own was more than a lot of my teammates and friends at other schools could say as they were left undecided and thrown into General Studies, Communications or Organizational Leadership and Supervision.

That quote is from Albert Evans. He played for Joe Tiller at Purdue. I'm sure you're familiar with Joe Tiller. Good coach, good man. That's just the reality of major college football. You're there to play football. Every friggin coach does this. CHOATE EVEN SAID SO IN HIS INTERVIEW. You're the in the QB Club. Ask him! This isn't any hidden secret.

And yeah, Trent Richardson sold memorabilia and drugs to get the vehicle. AND YOU TELL ME I'M SAYING THINGS RECKLESSLY! Your dislike of me is blinding you. But I'm sure all of the Bama players driving brand new Dodge Chargers were just dealing drugs. That makes more sense than getting paid to play. Lol.

Athletes don't get paid, they can major in whatever they want, and Jaharie Martin is 6'1. You live in lala land.

[Hawks86]

I have no problem with a kid making a couple grand for a local car commercial or getting a check for a percentage of how many jerseys sold. If a griz booster gets into a bidding war with a Cat booster over a kid, well, I hope that kid is worth it. Generally, I don't think it will affect us very much.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

I have no problem with a kid making a couple grand for a local car commercial or getting a check for a percentage of how many jerseys sold. If a griz booster gets into a bidding war with a Cat booster over a kid, well, I hope that kid is worth it. Generally, I don't think it will affect us very much.

Yeah the big ticket players are still going to be going to the Power 5 schools (just like they are now with under the table payments). I don't think this will affect recruiting very much at the FCS level.

[91catAlum]

I have no problem with a kid making a couple grand for a local car commercial or getting a check for a percentage of how many jerseys sold. If a griz booster gets into a bidding war with a Cat booster over a kid, well, I hope that kid is worth it. Generally, I don't think it will affect us very much.

Yeah the big ticket players are still going to be going to the Power 5 schools (just like they are now with under the table payments). I don't think this will affect recruiting very much at the FCS level.

You don't think a billionaire booster like Denny Washington for example, will be able to affect who goes to Missoula? I'd say thats incorrect. There's only about 500 billionaires in the whole US, and most of them dont care about college football. The ones who do will buy themselves the best team money can buy. If it becomes legal to do so, why wouldn't they??