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Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:49 pm
by Hawks86
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:09 pm
by Bear Spray II
onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:33 pm
Catsrgrood wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:17 pm
GoCats18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:09 pm
I just think it is stupid when a team plays a weak schedule and then wins one big game and everyone goes crazy. Look at who UC Davis has played and maybe people would realize that it takes a lot to play a schedule like that over the first 4 weeks compared to playing very weak schools. UM struggled at home before halftime against 2 very weak teams. They rolled the dice and got a lucky win yesterday. I think polls are absolutely stupid until the last week of the season is done with.
To be fair, Sagarin isn’t a poll, it’s a basically a computer algorithm that takes strength of schedule into account.
As the weeks go on this is, in theory, more accurate because there is more data to pull from.
The great thing about computer rankings (and, to be fair, a weakness as well) is that it avoids the built in biases that fans have. Right now, (unfortunately) UM has one of the best resumes in the country.
That's not a bad thing. I hope UM is #1 when we play, because it means some very good teams ahead of us get beat, and gives us even more to play for. We need our competition to be ranked as high as possible. Sagarin is in my opinion the best site for rankings, but really? We're one game into conference play Rankings don't mean much today. If we were in the 20's and win out, we'd be in great shape. Focus on next week.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:41 pm
by FTG_1984
Much like the Ash-era Cats, the jizz are first half of the season team. I hope they're ranked #1 or #2 in nation when we play them. Let them have their fun in the sun for now.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:25 pm
by Danster21
Bear Spray II wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:09 pm
onceacat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:33 pm
Catsrgrood wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:17 pm
GoCats18 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:09 pm
I just think it is stupid when a team plays a weak schedule and then wins one big game and everyone goes crazy. Look at who UC Davis has played and maybe people would realize that it takes a lot to play a schedule like that over the first 4 weeks compared to playing very weak schools. UM struggled at home before halftime against 2 very weak teams. They rolled the dice and got a lucky win yesterday. I think polls are absolutely stupid until the last week of the season is done with.
To be fair, Sagarin isn’t a poll, it’s a basically a computer algorithm that takes strength of schedule into account.
As the weeks go on this is, in theory, more accurate because there is more data to pull from.
The great thing about computer rankings (and, to be fair, a weakness as well) is that it avoids the built in biases that fans have. Right now, (unfortunately) UM has one of the best resumes in the country.
That's not a bad thing. I hope UM is #1 when we play, because it means some very good teams ahead of us get beat, and gives us even more to play for. We need our competition to be ranked as high as possible. Sagarin is in my opinion the best site for rankings, but really? We're one game into conference play Rankings don't mean much today. If we were in the 20's and win out, we'd be in great shape. Focus on next week.
Tbf, we're fans, we can do whatever we want. Focusing on next week or next year really makes no difference on the team's performance.
Re: Massey Ratings
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:06 am
by Bobcat4Ever
Here is just the Massey computer rating (as opposed to the composite) which is the equivalent to the Sagarin rating. The takeaway here, other than the ordering is that the Big Sky has no less than seven teams in the Top 20. I’ve included North Dakota since games against them count. That is more than one-third of the Top 20, and they are knotted tightly. It's going to be an interesting season!
4 Montana
8 Weber St
9 Montana St
13 E Washington
14 UC Davis
17 North Dakota
19 Idaho St
26 CS Sacramento
27 Idaho
29 Cal Poly
41 Portland St
43 Northern Arizona
70 N Colorado
72 Southern Utah
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:15 am
by coochorama42
I'm not worried about the polls this time of the year. If any of Weber, MSU, and UM win out, the selection committee will award them a top 4 seed. Technically Weber and MSU can both win out if both manage to get past UM. It would be interesting to see seeding if a MVFC team (presumably NDSU or SDSU), a CAA team ('Nova or JMU) and two Big Sky teams (in this case Weber and MSU) went undefeated in FCS play. Not going to happen, but still interesting...
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:43 pm
by RobertCats
Texas tech up 45-35 in #21 Oklahoma State late in the 4th
North Dakota up 28-14 on UC Davis at the half
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:53 pm
by Cat4LifeHouseDivided
RobertCats wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:43 pm
Texas tech up 45-35 in #21 Oklahoma State late in the 4th
North Dakota up 28-14 on UC Davis at the half
Is UND that good or was Davis just highly overrated? Also ISU up 17-0 on the fizz in the 2nd. Could be a wild day.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
by luckyirishguy25
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:32 pm
by VimSince03
luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Tide has turned in that one already.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:39 pm
by onceacat
Cat4LifeHouseDivided wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:53 pm
RobertCats wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:43 pm
Texas tech up 45-35 in #21 Oklahoma State late in the 4th
North Dakota up 28-14 on UC Davis at the half
Is UND that good or was Davis just highly overrated? Also ISU up 17-0 on the fizz in the 2nd. Could be a wild day.
Announcers are saying that UCD is banged up pretty badly.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:28 am
by Catsrgrood
Pretty interesting today.
I did add UND into the Big Sky part since for all intents and purposes, they are.
Cats down 3 spots in the overall to 127th and up one spot in the FCS to 13th.
Texas Tech- 43rd overall, 42nd in FBS (NDSU is 33rd overall)
SEMO-155th overall and 33rd in FCS
WIU- 209th overall and 80th in FCS
Norfolk State- 242nd overall and and 112th in FCS
Big Sky (opponents in bold):
UM-84th overall, 4th in FCS
Weber-107th overall, 6th in FCS
MSU- 127th overall, 13th in FCS
UC Davis-128th overall, 14th in FCS
Sac St- 132nd overall, 17th in FCS
EWU- 134th overall, 18th in FCS
North Dakota- 144th overall, 24th in FCS
Idaho State- 149th overall, 28th in FCS
NAU- 160th overall, 37th in FCS
Idaho- 161st overall, 38th in FCS
Cal Poly- 165th overall, 41st in FCS
Portland State- 171st overall, 46th in FCS
Southern Utah- 202nd overall, 73rd in FCS
Northern Colorado- 206th overall, 77th in FCS
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:03 pm
by Catsrgrood
Figured it’s time to update. I avoided BobcatNation for the last couple days,I figured there would be plenty of overreaction about the loss. And there was...
Cats down 7 spots in the overall to 134th and 18th in the FCS.
Texas Tech- 45th overall, 44th in FBS (NDSU is 35th overall)
SEMO-163rd overall and 38th in FCS
WIU- 214th overall and 85th in FCS
Norfolk State- 231st overall and and 101st in FCS
Big Sky (opponents in bold):
UM-82nd overall, 4th in FCS
Weber-114th overall, 7th in FCS
Sac St- 120th overall, 9th in FCS
Idaho State- 128th overall, 14th in FCS
UC Davis-129th overall, 15th in FCS
MSU- 134th overall,18th in FCS
EWU- 136th overall,19th in FCS
Portland State- 148th overall,26th in FCS
North Dakota- 154th overall, 32nd in FCS
NAU- 162nd overall, 37th in FCS
Idaho- 170th overall, 45th in FCS
Cal Poly- 174th overall, 47th in FCS
Southern Utah- 195th overall, 66th in FCS
Northern Colorado- 211th overall, 82nd in FCS
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:41 pm
by Montanabob
Catsrgrood wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:03 pm
Figured it’s time to update. I avoided BobcatNation for the last couple days,I figured there would be plenty of overreaction about the loss. And there was...
Cats down 7 spots in the overall to 134th and 18th in the FCS.
Texas Tech- 45th overall, 44th in FBS (NDSU is 35th overall)
SEMO-163rd overall and 38th in FCS
WIU- 214th overall and 85th in FCS
Norfolk State- 231st overall and and 101st in FCS
Big Sky (opponents in bold):
UM-82nd overall, 4th in FCS
Weber-114th overall, 7th in FCS
Sac St- 120th overall, 9th in FCS
Idaho State- 128th overall, 14th in FCS
UC Davis-129th overall, 15th in FCS
MSU- 134th overall,18th in FCS
EWU- 136th overall,19th in FCS
Portland State- 148th overall,26th in FCS
North Dakota- 154th overall, 32nd in FCS
NAU- 162nd overall, 37th in FCS
Idaho- 170th overall, 45th in FCS
Cal Poly- 174th overall, 47th in FCS
Southern Utah- 195th overall, 66th in FCS
Northern Colorado- 211th overall, 82nd in FCS
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
What I like is our bottom 4 teams are not below 100in FCS like in past years. Idaho continues to disappoint but is where I have said they would be for the first 3 or 4 years back in FCS. Then watch them drop to play ties with UNC.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:56 pm
by Catsrgrood
I agree Montanabob, what’s actually surprising at this point is 12 of the 14 Big Sky teams (counting UND) are in the top 50 right now.
And 7 are in the top 25.
It’ll be interesting to see how it ends up, but that’s really pretty solid from a conference perspective.
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 pm
by grizpsych
luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Update?
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 pm
by StatedImprovement
grizpsych wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 pm
luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Update?
the best 15 minutes Cat fans have experienced all season
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:07 pm
by Cat4LifeHouseDivided
StatedImprovement wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 pm
grizpsych wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 pm
luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Update?
the best 15 minutes Cat fans have experienced all season
And yesterday was the worst 3 hours griz fans have had all year..you were so damn quiet. What happened to booby and your jizz?
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:37 pm
by Catsrgrood
Cats up 4 spots in the overall to 130th and 14th in the FCS.
Texas Tech- 47th overall, 46th in FBS (NDSU is 39th overall)
SEMO-164th overall and 39th in FCS
WIU- 215th overall and 86th in FCS
Norfolk State- 233rd overall and 93rd in FCS
Big Sky (opponents in bold):
UM-87th overall, 4th in FCS
Sac St- 100th overall, 5th in FCS
Weber-112th overall, 7th in FCS
EWU- 128th overall, 12th in FCS
UC Davis- 129th overall, 13th in FCS
MSU- 130th overall,14th in FCS
Idaho State- 137th overall, 20th in FCS
North Dakota- 149th overall, 29th in FCS
Portland State- 150th overall, 30th in FCS
Idaho- 152nd overall, 32nd in FCS
NAU- 166th overall, 41st in FCS
Cal Poly- 176th overall, 49th in FCS
Southern Utah- 196th overall, 67th in FCS
Northern Colorado- 201st overall, 72nd in FCS
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Re: Sagarin Rankings
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:56 pm
by 91catAlum
StatedImprovement wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 pm
grizpsych wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 pm
luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm
The Griz are getting their S... pushed back in by the Bungles 17-7
Update?
the best 15 minutes Cat fans have experienced all season
Not anymore...
