Re: Montana Recruits 2021
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:00 pm
Heads up to Bobby. Rob Ash doesn't live in Bozeman anymore. We will take your lunch money and then kick your ass.
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:15 pmAccording to Robby Hauck’s bio he set records for tackles at his high school. I’ve only watched three games he’s played in so I can’t rate his playing abilities. I have to believe he’s a pretty good player. The best way for a coach to destroy a clubhouse is to play his kid over players that are better than he is.
My theory has always been that Bobby was going to take the NAU job. That whole season, Souers was saying he was going to retire. Robby was recruited by and chose to attend NAU over offers to the Griz. I think it was a quiet, hush hush agreement that Bobby was going to take over as HC at NAU and coach his son there. However, the Griz HC position unexpectedly (?) came open so the plans changed. Bobby takes the Griz HC position (a much better position to win at than NAU). All of a sudden, Souers isn't retiring anymore. He's going to coach another year. Maybe because NAU's choice became unavailable since he went to coach in Missoula? It's obviously a theory, but the pieces all fit.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmHe sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Good rundown. I hear he was a good basketball player. I noticed he couldn’t catch up to Ifanse on that 38-yard TD, which probably covered close to 50 yards. Maybe Ifanse is faster than I think, but that play had to be hard to watch.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:00 pmTomCat88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:15 pmAccording to Robby Hauck’s bio he set records for tackles at his high school. I’ve only watched three games he’s played in so I can’t rate his playing abilities. I have to believe he’s a pretty good player. The best way for a coach to destroy a clubhouse is to play his kid over players that are better than he is.
He's a very good tackler, great fundamental player. Smart. Tough. Knows what has supposed to do and does it.
He's limited athletically, and kinda small. I don't think he takes bad angles, he's just not fast. Coaches love to play guys who know what's going on, so I can see why he plays. Undoubtedly a hard worker.
Exactly. Nobody is saying he’s a bad player, but he’s just not a good player. Our safeties last year had so much more talent it wasn’t even funny. Our Nickel guy Okada is a much better player. Little Hauck would not start on this Bobcat team.
He wouldn’t make the 2-deep. He’s flat garbage.Go Scats Go wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:30 pmReally?
Geez
It's so interesting the varying takeaways folks can have from analysis spots. I was simply trying to describe why Montana State's offense has an excellent matchup against UM's defense. I was not trying to "defend" or "justify" any of the Montana players' poor performances or the fact that the Bobcats destroyed the Grizzlies for the duration of that game.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmYes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
He sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Colter says Hauck is a great tackler, but that MSU's offense was so confusing and UM's defense not suited to play against it that he had a bad day. I watched the UM-WSU playoff game and still saw Hauck getting out of position and taking bad angles. Colter used to say Khari Garcia did those things and Garcia is, IMO, a good comparison to Hauck. A good safety, but one that gets sucked out of position and takes bad angles.
I can't decide which defense was worse, the 2015 or 2014 squad. I think the 2015 gets the nod, because I don't think 2014 was bad the entire season but that's when things start spiraling. They are the #1 and #2 of the worst defenses I've seen in my 20 years as a die-hard Cat fan. I 100% believe it wasn't a talent issue, although those were the years where we finally didn't have an elite buck end, but that doesn't explain how bad they were. The 2016 defense was nowhere near as talented as they were way better as a unit.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:05 pmIt's so interesting the varying takeaways folks can have from analysis spots. I was simply trying to describe why Montana State's offense has an excellent matchup against UM's defense. I was not trying to "defend" or "justify" any of the Montana players' poor performances or the fact that the Bobcats destroyed the Grizzlies for the duration of that game.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmYes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
He sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Colter says Hauck is a great tackler, but that MSU's offense was so confusing and UM's defense not suited to play against it that he had a bad day. I watched the UM-WSU playoff game and still saw Hauck getting out of position and taking bad angles. Colter used to say Khari Garcia did those things and Garcia is, IMO, a good comparison to Hauck. A good safety, but one that gets sucked out of position and takes bad angles.
The critique of Robby Hauck is certainly valid. He has certain strengths — he runs to the ball as well as any player in the league, he is fearless, he is a sure tackler — that are pretty objectively undeniable. But there are also several questions about his overall prowess, production and the fact that he plays for his father. I think that is all totally valid criticism and one that I side with most of you on.
I had not thought of the Khari Garcia comparison. Part of Garcia's problem was that the 2015 MSU defense almost NEVER got lined up correctly before the snap. I watched a bit of a replay of the MSU game at Portland State from that season the other night and I could not believe how fundamentally unsound that unit was. That is perhaps the biggest stride MSU has made. The Bobcats are almost never out of position or misaligned since Choate took over and as Kane Ioane continues to grow and flourish in his second season as the full-time DC.
2014 Defense (1st Unit/2nd Unit):CelticCat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:52 amI can't decide which defense was worse, the 2015 or 2014 squad. I think the 2015 gets the nod, because I don't think 2014 was bad the entire season but that's when things start spiraling. They are the #1 and #2 of the worst defenses I've seen in my 20 years as a die-hard Cat fan. I 100% believe it wasn't a talent issue, although those were the years where we finally didn't have an elite buck end, but that doesn't explain how bad they were. The 2016 defense was nowhere near as talented as they were way better as a unit.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:05 pmIt's so interesting the varying takeaways folks can have from analysis spots. I was simply trying to describe why Montana State's offense has an excellent matchup against UM's defense. I was not trying to "defend" or "justify" any of the Montana players' poor performances or the fact that the Bobcats destroyed the Grizzlies for the duration of that game.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmYes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
He sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Colter says Hauck is a great tackler, but that MSU's offense was so confusing and UM's defense not suited to play against it that he had a bad day. I watched the UM-WSU playoff game and still saw Hauck getting out of position and taking bad angles. Colter used to say Khari Garcia did those things and Garcia is, IMO, a good comparison to Hauck. A good safety, but one that gets sucked out of position and takes bad angles.
The critique of Robby Hauck is certainly valid. He has certain strengths — he runs to the ball as well as any player in the league, he is fearless, he is a sure tackler — that are pretty objectively undeniable. But there are also several questions about his overall prowess, production and the fact that he plays for his father. I think that is all totally valid criticism and one that I side with most of you on.
I had not thought of the Khari Garcia comparison. Part of Garcia's problem was that the 2015 MSU defense almost NEVER got lined up correctly before the snap. I watched a bit of a replay of the MSU game at Portland State from that season the other night and I could not believe how fundamentally unsound that unit was. That is perhaps the biggest stride MSU has made. The Bobcats are almost never out of position or misaligned since Choate took over and as Kane Ioane continues to grow and flourish in his second season as the full-time DC.
True but if you look at non-TOP stats like Pass Def. Efficiency and Yards Per Play, we were miles better in 2016 than 2014/2015 with less talent.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:17 pmPart of the statistical difference with the defences between 15 and 16 was the offensive style.
We played sloooooow the first couple years with Choate. The defense was better, more fundamentally sound, but a big part of the statistical improvement was due to the offensive changes. TOP is valued a lot more with Choate than it was with Cramsay.
Who does Moore replace in the 19 lineup?CelticCat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:20 pmIf you're looking at that 2014 roster, I think Taylor Sheridan probably starts from the DL, Cole Moore and Singleton start at LB, and Deonte Flowers at CB all start on the 2019 squad. Dees, Na'a, Keeton and Marshall all get a bunch of playing time, although I'm not sure Marshall was better than JoJo Henderson. Regardless, plenty of good talent that would still be major contributors.
Talent was not the problem.
Cole played Sam throughout his career so obviously he would be replacing Troy or Hardy right? Cole was a very good coverage LB and was sound against the run. Singleton would be replacing Josh Hill at Will and then Josh would move into the Mike over Callahan O'Reilly. I guess you do what you can to get Moore, Singleton, Hill, and Troy on the field somewhere. Callahan, Jobman, Hardy, and Askelson would be the rotational depth.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:54 pmWho does Moore replace in the 19 lineup?CelticCat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:20 pmIf you're looking at that 2014 roster, I think Taylor Sheridan probably starts from the DL, Cole Moore and Singleton start at LB, and Deonte Flowers at CB all start on the 2019 squad. Dees, Na'a, Keeton and Marshall all get a bunch of playing time, although I'm not sure Marshall was better than JoJo Henderson. Regardless, plenty of good talent that would still be major contributors.
Talent was not the problem.
Yeah I was just curious what Celtic thought the LBs would look like with a healthy TA since Moore obviously wouldn't start over him. I personally wouldn't have Moore starting over O'Reilly though. Would he still play a ton? Absolutely, but he lacked in the speed department and O'Reilly just has a nose for the ball.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:03 pmCole played Sam throughout his career so obviously he would be replacing Troy or Hardy right? Cole was a very good coverage LB and was sound against the run. Singleton would be replacing Josh Hill at Will and then Josh would move into the Mike over Callahan O'Reilly. I guess you do what you can to get Moore, Singleton, Hill, and Troy on the field somewhere. Callahan, Jobman, Hardy, and Askelson would be the rotational depth.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:54 pmWho does Moore replace in the 19 lineup?CelticCat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:20 pmIf you're looking at that 2014 roster, I think Taylor Sheridan probably starts from the DL, Cole Moore and Singleton start at LB, and Deonte Flowers at CB all start on the 2019 squad. Dees, Na'a, Keeton and Marshall all get a bunch of playing time, although I'm not sure Marshall was better than JoJo Henderson. Regardless, plenty of good talent that would still be major contributors.
Talent was not the problem.