Re: Montana Recruits 2021
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:37 am
MSU doing very well so far on Vim's list. I personally think Eiden is head and shoulders above the rest of the field.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:34 amPlayers I consider "full-ride" in 2021 (alphabetical order by first name):
Dylan Rollins of Missoula Sentinel - 6'5", 250 lbs. - OT
Elijah Reynolds of Red Lodge - 6'3", 210 lbs. - TE (MSU Verbal)
Jace Klucewich of Frenchtown - 5'10", 160 lbs. - WR/S (UM Verbal)
Junior Bergen of Billings Senior - 5'10", 150 lbs. - WR/CB
Kellen Detrick of Havre - 6'3", 210 lbs. - TE/DE (UM Verbal)
Kenneth Eiden IV of Bozeman - 6'0", 230 lbs. - DE
Neil Daily of Billings West - 6'3", 200 lbs. - TE/OLB (MSU Verbal)
Players I consider "partial scholarship" in 2021 (alphabetical order by first name):
Camden Capser of Billings Central - 6'2", 165 lbs. - K
Camden Sirmon of Missoula Sentinel - 6'0", 195 lbs. - QB
Camren Spencer of Bozeman - 6'1", 235 lbs. - C/DT
Eli Aby of Laurel - 6'2", 185 lbs. - S (MSU Verbal)
Jace Fitzgerald of Dillon - 6'2", 195 lbs. - WR/S (MSU Verbal)
Jack Waddell of Laurel - 5'11", 150 lbs. - WR/CB
Jake Olsen of Butte - 6'7", 220 lbs. - TE
JaQuawhann Booth of Billings Central - 5'10", 300 lbs. - DT
John Brown of Bozmena - 6'3", 240 lbs. - OL
Kade Cutler of Drummond/Philipsburg - 6'0", 180 lbs. - ATH/S (MSU Verbal)
Luke Fedyk of Bozeman - 6'0", 200 lbs. - WR/DE
Mayson Phipps of Glasgow - 6'2", 250 lbs. - DL
Padraig Lang of Bozeman - 6'1", 190 lbs. - S
Paul Brott of Billings West - 6'4", 225 lbs. - DE/TE (MSU Verbal)
Soren Syvrud of Missoula Sentinel - 5'11", 190 lbs. - OLB
Tel Arthur of Frenchtown - 6'0", 215 lbs. - MLB
TJ Rausch of Missoula Sentinel - 6'3", 175 lbs. - WR (UM Verbal)
Potential PWO candidates (alphabetical order by first name):
Aiden Lee of Butte - 6'0", 210 lbs. - DL
Banner Cetraro of Butte - 6'1", 165 lbs. - WR
Ben Swanson of Helena High - 6'1", 185 lbs. - S
Brady Lang of Bozeman - 6'1", 170 lbs. - S
Brock Ping of Billings Central - 5'9", 190 lbs. - RB
Bryan Mask of Superior - 5'10", 180 lbs. - QB/ATH
Carson Hunter of Miles City - 5'10", 170 lbs. - QB/DB
Carter Lake of Hamilton - 6'0", 225 lbs. - OL/DL
Chucky BraveRock of Browning - 6'3", 270 lbs. - OL/DL
Colter Bales of Laurel - 6'6", 215 lbs. - TE/DE
Colter Janacaro of Missoula Big Sky - 5'11", 195 lbs. - RB
Cormac Benn of Bigfork - 6'0", 180 lbs. - WR/S
Dalton Bay of Missoula Sentinel - 6'0", 160 lbs. - QB/ATH
David Patterson of Libby - 6'1", 195 lbs. - TE/LB
Dawson Young of Libby - 6'1", 185 lbs. - RB
DJ Jackson of Butte - 6'4", 270 lbs. - OL
Donovan South of Missoula Sentinel - 6'0", 180 lbs. - RB/S
Duncan Richardson of Frenchtown - 6'3", 235 lbs. - DL
Dylan Nieskens of Glasgow - 6'2", 200 lbs. - LB
Dylan Smith of Whitehall - 6'3", 220 lbs. - DE
Ethan DeRoche of Great Falls High - 6'0", 250 lbs. - DT
Gabriel Delgatty of Manhattan - 6'3", 185 lbs. - WR
Geno Leonard of Missoula Sentinel - 6'0", 215 lbs. - FB/MLB (UM Verbal)
Haiden Crews of Missoula Sentinel - 6'3", 180 lbs. - WR
Ian Williams of Butte Central - 6'0", 220 lbs. - DL
Jace Fisher of Troy - 6'5", 310 lbs. - OL/DL (MSU Verbal)
Jace Thompson of Fort Benton - 5'8", 165 lbs. - RB
Jacksen Burckley of Billings Senior - 6'4", 200 lbs. - WR
Jackson Willems of Billings Skyview - 6'1", 200 lbs. - LB
Jaxon Wittmayer of Laurel - 6'2", 200 lbs. - WR
Jaymn Medlock of Billings West - 5'10", 190 lbs. - RB
Jesse Lee of Glasgow - 6'1", 200 lbs. - RB/LB
Johnnie McClusky of Billings Senior - 5'10", 160 lbs. - DB
JT Allen of Kalispell Glacier - 6'2", 190 lbs. - QB
Judson Seliskar of Helena High - 6'3", 230 lbs. - OL
Kade Strutz of Big Sandy - 6'0", 215 lbs. - RB/LB
Kolter Bouma of Fairfield - 6'0", 205 lbs. - DE
Kooper Oxarart of Malta - 6'2", 180 lbs. - S
Levi Torgerson of Great Falls High - 5'11", 150 lbs. - WR/DB
Michael Hupp of Dillon - 5'10", 175 lbs. - DB/RB
Riley Waters of Sidney - 6'0", 205 lbs. - LB
Seth Norslein of Lewistown - 6'1", 185 lbs. - QB
Sloan McPherson of Savage - 6'4", 230 lbs. - TE
Tanner Payton of Billings Senior - 6'0", 265 lbs. - OL/DL
Tate Bowler of Belgrade - 5'10", 155 lbs. - WR
Tommy Albrecht of Missoula Loyola - 5'10", 190 lbs. - RB/LB
Ty Raiha of Butte - 6'1", 270 lbs. - OL
Tyler Burrows of Hamilton - 6'4", 220 lbs. - OL/DL
Tyler Little of Helena Capital - 5'11", 220 lbs. - DT
Zachary Evans of Helena High - 6'0", 230 lbs. - DL
More players will get added to these lists as the year goes on.
I'm usually the one defending you here, but you and Tootell's discussion on the Cat-Griz game was about as biased as you get. Go ahead and say you aren't, but man, I don't know how you can.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:22 pmBroke down some of the in-state recruiting battle this year and historically after analyzing Kenneth Eiden's commitment to MSU: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0488430882
I texted the question that started that whole conversation.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:29 pmI'm usually the one defending you here, but you and Tootell's discussion on the Cat-Griz game was about as biased as you get. Go ahead and say you aren't, but man, I don't know how you can.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:22 pmBroke down some of the in-state recruiting battle this year and historically after analyzing Kenneth Eiden's commitment to MSU: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0488430882
It's a great question, and honestly, an easy answer.CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:42 pmI texted the question that started that whole conversation.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:29 pmI'm usually the one defending you here, but you and Tootell's discussion on the Cat-Griz game was about as biased as you get. Go ahead and say you aren't, but man, I don't know how you can.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:22 pmBroke down some of the in-state recruiting battle this year and historically after analyzing Kenneth Eiden's commitment to MSU: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0488430882
Couple glaring things they said that I thought they didn't put much thought into:bobcat99 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:19 pmIt's a great question, and honestly, an easy answer.CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:42 pmI texted the question that started that whole conversation.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:29 pmI'm usually the one defending you here, but you and Tootell's discussion on the Cat-Griz game was about as biased as you get. Go ahead and say you aren't, but man, I don't know how you can.Colter_Nuanez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:22 pmBroke down some of the in-state recruiting battle this year and historically after analyzing Kenneth Eiden's commitment to MSU: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0488430882
You can’t blame them. Hauck has a history of blackballing media outlets. They absolutely cannot say anything bad about Robbie. That would definitely push BobBy over the edge. Probably not wise to not make excuses for any losses.
The funny thing about the "we prepared for Troy" line is the Cats still ran the wildcat with Travis Jonsen and Isaiah Ifanse. The griz didn't really stop it even though they supposedly worked all week to do just that.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:32 amYou can’t blame them. Hauck has a history of blackballing media outlets. They absolutely cannot say anything bad about Robbie. That would definitely push BobBy over the edge. Probably not wise to not make excuses for any losses.
The loss last year was a bad matchup scheme-wise. I couldn’t believe they went along with Hauck’s line about prepping for Troy on offense.
The loss in 2018 was bad luck. (Even if Eastwood doesn’t fumble (2-yard line) or UM recovers (3-yard line) it’s fourth and goal from the 2. The NFL runs it two-point conversions from the 2. 48% success rate. College from the 3. 40% success rate. The advantage goes to MSU in both cases.
350+ yards a game the last 4 years ---> 4 wins. The Recipe is simple. The Griz can't stop it (The Cats NDSU'd their ass). They can make all the excuses in the world they want, but they couldn't stop it. The Cats may have lost to NDSU in consecutive years, but playing them each year has definitely been a good experience going forward. Olson and Hauck sold out a lot to get up in the middle and make the tackle. Once they committed to trying to figure out the play they were blasted or stuck in no man's land. Hauck was out couched period. Also, there is no mention of all the Griz turnovers in those wins. That is what happens when you play good teams and you have a high flying soft type offense. The Cats confuse you at the line then pound it down your throats (with limited turnovers).AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:02 amThe funny thing about the "we prepared for Troy" line is the Cats still ran the wildcat with Travis Jonsen and Isaiah Ifanse. The griz didn't really stop it even though they supposedly worked all week to do just that.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:32 amYou can’t blame them. Hauck has a history of blackballing media outlets. They absolutely cannot say anything bad about Robbie. That would definitely push BobBy over the edge. Probably not wise to not make excuses for any losses.
The loss last year was a bad matchup scheme-wise. I couldn’t believe they went along with Hauck’s line about prepping for Troy on offense.
The loss in 2018 was bad luck. (Even if Eastwood doesn’t fumble (2-yard line) or UM recovers (3-yard line) it’s fourth and goal from the 2. The NFL runs it two-point conversions from the 2. 48% success rate. College from the 3. 40% success rate. The advantage goes to MSU in both cases.
350+ yards a game the last 4 years ---> 4 wins. The Recipe is simple. The Griz can't stop it (The Cats NDSU'd their ass). They can make all the excuses in the world they want, but they couldn't stop it. The Cats may have lost to NDSU in consecutive years, but playing them each year has definitely been a good experience going forward. Olson and Hauck sold out a lot to get up in the middle and make the tackle. Once they committed to trying to figure out the play they were blasted or stuck in no man's land. Hauck was out couched period. Also, there is no mention of all the Griz turnovers in those wins. That is what happens when you play good teams and you have a high flying soft type offense. The Cats confuse you at the line then pound it down your throats (with limited turnovers).AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:02 amThe funny thing about the "we prepared for Troy" line is the Cats still ran the wildcat with Travis Jonsen and Isaiah Ifanse. The griz didn't really stop it even though they supposedly worked all week to do just that.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:32 amYou can’t blame them. Hauck has a history of blackballing media outlets. They absolutely cannot say anything bad about Robbie. That would definitely push BobBy over the edge. Probably not wise to not make excuses for any losses.
The loss last year was a bad matchup scheme-wise. I couldn’t believe they went along with Hauck’s line about prepping for Troy on offense.
The loss in 2018 was bad luck. (Even if Eastwood doesn’t fumble (2-yard line) or UM recovers (3-yard line) it’s fourth and goal from the 2. The NFL runs it two-point conversions from the 2. 48% success rate. College from the 3. 40% success rate. The advantage goes to MSU in both cases.
Hands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
Yes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
The "We prepared for Troy" comment truly leads me to believe that Bobby Hauck truly was having nightmares on how to stop and contain him.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmYes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
He sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Colter says Hauck is a great tackler, but that MSU's offense was so confusing and UM's defense not suited to play against it that he had a bad day. I watched the UM-WSU playoff game and still saw Hauck getting out of position and taking bad angles. Colter used to say Khari Garcia did those things and Garcia is, IMO, a good comparison to Hauck. A good safety, but one that gets sucked out of position and takes bad angles.
They were the same packages, just with a different player.AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:02 amThe funny thing about the "we prepared for Troy" line is the Cats still ran the wildcat with Travis Jonsen and Isaiah Ifanse. The griz didn't really stop it even though they supposedly worked all week to do just that.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:32 amYou can’t blame them. Hauck has a history of blackballing media outlets. They absolutely cannot say anything bad about Robbie. That would definitely push BobBy over the edge. Probably not wise to not make excuses for any losses.
The loss last year was a bad matchup scheme-wise. I couldn’t believe they went along with Hauck’s line about prepping for Troy on offense.
The loss in 2018 was bad luck. (Even if Eastwood doesn’t fumble (2-yard line) or UM recovers (3-yard line) it’s fourth and goal from the 2. The NFL runs it two-point conversions from the 2. 48% success rate. College from the 3. 40% success rate. The advantage goes to MSU in both cases.
The Griz lost because MSU didn't play their best player, and they attacked UM's best players on defense.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
Totally agree. I think Hauck is too good of a coach to actually believe what he said. But the outcome was already decided. I think it was an attempt at a dig at how we use Troy.iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pmYes, and that kinda plays into a thought that I have about Hauck. How serious is he? Too come to the conclusion that he needs to prep for TA seems like something a know-nothing, rookie coach might do...maybe. Here's Troy's touches out of the backfield over the previous 11 games: 1-7-0-7-0-10-7-1-3-7. 43 carries in 11 games. Not quite 4 per game. Add to it that MSU wasn't as successful as it normally is with TA at QB the previous year (229 yards at 4.8 ypc in 2018 with TA at QB; 258 at 5.7 w/o TA at QB in 2019) and it's just mind-boggling. Was he lying when he said that he game-planned for TA? Because MSU wasn't as good offensively using the players it had in 2018 as it was in 2019, so why would Choate go back to that?ilovethecats wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:45 pmHands down my favorite. Dude barely touched the ball offensively all season. Horrendous coaching to prepare all week for a linebacker playing qb....mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:25 amThe “we prepared for troy” has to be the best excuse I have ever heard in the history of excuses.
So our best player didn’t suit up..... and that is why u got yer butts kicked?!?!?
Hahahahahaha.... you can’t make this stuff up!
He sure doesn't seem to have the energy on the sidelines he once had. Is that just growing old or is he disinterested. He (coincidentally?) came back to Missoula at the same time his son's college career was starting. His son didn't catch on at San Diego St. and the UM job came open, so, like any dad might do, he applied and got the UM job and like most sons would do Robby followed. That makes sense, but is that the rationale. I realize Robby is good enough to play in the FCS, but not only does he start right away the defense is designed to get him in the middle of almost every play. Is the emphasis now shifted to coaching for his son? Is that plausible?
Colter says Hauck is a great tackler, but that MSU's offense was so confusing and UM's defense not suited to play against it that he had a bad day. I watched the UM-WSU playoff game and still saw Hauck getting out of position and taking bad angles. Colter used to say Khari Garcia did those things and Garcia is, IMO, a good comparison to Hauck. A good safety, but one that gets sucked out of position and takes bad angles.