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I bet we see 3 transfers and/or drop downs at safety. Maybe even more than that. We basically lose the entire 2 deep...
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Does anyone think Hardy could play that SS role? He's pretty fast and coming along fast. Probably not enough time to get him practiced up there to be effective.
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Re: 2020 commitments (20) and offers
I honestly just went through the roster to see if anyone had the body type and speed that Konkol had and the only one I saw was Hardy. I do know he only started playing football his senior year in high school and has had a steep learning curve. Not sure how long it would take to get him to understand all the coverages and back-end responsibilities but he is a bright kid. He is definitely starting to come into his own at OLB though......
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Re: 2020 commitments (20) and offers
I bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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TA would be a hell of a replacement for Konkel, the only thing is that at SAM we don't need a nickle back if TA is there. Its a tough decisionjoe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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Jalen Cole is nowhere near as good against the run as Ty is.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:02 amAgreed, but so is JCole. Hopefully he's able to make it back from injury.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:00 amOkada is really freaking good in that nickel/slot corner role.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 amOh don't get me wrong, I like Okada at safety. But I would hate to lose him in that nickel role. Brayden, Jacque, Jojo, and Brian Campbell (will graduate despite one year of eligibility left) will all be moving on and MSU will need to fill some holes not just for depth but also experience. We can move this conversation to another thread but the current depth at the position for next year is Ty Okada, Luke May, Rylan Ortt...that's it. Last I heard Keaton Anderson took the year off to rehab and make a comeback but injuries have almost derailed his development. The only two corners who may be able to transition are Eric Zambrano or Tylor Bohannon. Alex Johnson may be able to transition from linebacker to strong safety but not sure he has the speed to play that position at this level. Anyway, I'm sure the coaches will bring in some transfers but I just don't understand everyone's concern about our defensive line when the safety cupboard is almost empty.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 amHow about Okada at Safety? Sure tackler. Good speed, physical and great instincts.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:07 amEveryone keeps prioritizing d-line but we have some pretty damn good youth and depth at the position. What we should be talking about? Safety.
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Agreed, but his ability to cover guys JLM, Dean from ISU and Shaheed from Weber is where JCole really shines.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:43 pmJalen Cole is nowhere near as good against the run as Ty is.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:02 amAgreed, but so is JCole. Hopefully he's able to make it back from injury.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:00 amOkada is really freaking good in that nickel/slot corner role.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 amOh don't get me wrong, I like Okada at safety. But I would hate to lose him in that nickel role. Brayden, Jacque, Jojo, and Brian Campbell (will graduate despite one year of eligibility left) will all be moving on and MSU will need to fill some holes not just for depth but also experience. We can move this conversation to another thread but the current depth at the position for next year is Ty Okada, Luke May, Rylan Ortt...that's it. Last I heard Keaton Anderson took the year off to rehab and make a comeback but injuries have almost derailed his development. The only two corners who may be able to transition are Eric Zambrano or Tylor Bohannon. Alex Johnson may be able to transition from linebacker to strong safety but not sure he has the speed to play that position at this level. Anyway, I'm sure the coaches will bring in some transfers but I just don't understand everyone's concern about our defensive line when the safety cupboard is almost empty.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 amHow about Okada at Safety? Sure tackler. Good speed, physical and great instincts.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:07 amEveryone keeps prioritizing d-line but we have some pretty damn good youth and depth at the position. What we should be talking about? Safety.
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I would argue Ty did just as well covering JLM, if not better. The other two I can't comment on, because we didn't play them.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:49 pmAgreed, but his ability to cover guys JLM, Dean from ISU and Shaheed from Weber is where JCole really shines.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:43 pmJalen Cole is nowhere near as good against the run as Ty is.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:02 amAgreed, but so is JCole. Hopefully he's able to make it back from injury.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:00 amOkada is really freaking good in that nickel/slot corner role.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 amOh don't get me wrong, I like Okada at safety. But I would hate to lose him in that nickel role. Brayden, Jacque, Jojo, and Brian Campbell (will graduate despite one year of eligibility left) will all be moving on and MSU will need to fill some holes not just for depth but also experience. We can move this conversation to another thread but the current depth at the position for next year is Ty Okada, Luke May, Rylan Ortt...that's it. Last I heard Keaton Anderson took the year off to rehab and make a comeback but injuries have almost derailed his development. The only two corners who may be able to transition are Eric Zambrano or Tylor Bohannon. Alex Johnson may be able to transition from linebacker to strong safety but not sure he has the speed to play that position at this level. Anyway, I'm sure the coaches will bring in some transfers but I just don't understand everyone's concern about our defensive line when the safety cupboard is almost empty.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 amHow about Okada at Safety? Sure tackler. Good speed, physical and great instincts.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:07 amEveryone keeps prioritizing d-line but we have some pretty damn good youth and depth at the position. What we should be talking about? Safety.
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Totally agree that Okada was JLM's daddy. I'm just saying if JCole comes back healthy, then we don't drop off at nickel if we move Ty back to free safety.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:51 pmI would argue Ty did just as well covering JLM, if not better. The other two I can't comment on, because we didn't play them.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:49 pmAgreed, but his ability to cover guys JLM, Dean from ISU and Shaheed from Weber is where JCole really shines.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:43 pmJalen Cole is nowhere near as good against the run as Ty is.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:02 amAgreed, but so is JCole. Hopefully he's able to make it back from injury.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:00 amOkada is really freaking good in that nickel/slot corner role.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 amOh don't get me wrong, I like Okada at safety. But I would hate to lose him in that nickel role. Brayden, Jacque, Jojo, and Brian Campbell (will graduate despite one year of eligibility left) will all be moving on and MSU will need to fill some holes not just for depth but also experience. We can move this conversation to another thread but the current depth at the position for next year is Ty Okada, Luke May, Rylan Ortt...that's it. Last I heard Keaton Anderson took the year off to rehab and make a comeback but injuries have almost derailed his development. The only two corners who may be able to transition are Eric Zambrano or Tylor Bohannon. Alex Johnson may be able to transition from linebacker to strong safety but not sure he has the speed to play that position at this level. Anyway, I'm sure the coaches will bring in some transfers but I just don't understand everyone's concern about our defensive line when the safety cupboard is almost empty.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 amHow about Okada at Safety? Sure tackler. Good speed, physical and great instincts.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:07 amEveryone keeps prioritizing d-line but we have some pretty damn good youth and depth at the position. What we should be talking about? Safety.
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This is me quibbling, but I don't think Ty is a FS. People want to put him there because he's on the smaller side, but his skill set lends him more towards the SS spot. He plays closer to the line of scrimmage, good tackler, not really sure if he has the deep speed to be a FS. Now with that said, I would also argue that even though the coaches called Alleyne a rover, and Konkol a FS, Konkol played more of a stereotypical SS role. Now if Ty is a SS, can he handle covering TE's? I'm not sure he could.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:53 pmTotally agree that Okada was JLM's daddy. I'm just saying if JCole comes back healthy, then we don't drop off at nickel if we move Ty back to free safety.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:51 pmI would argue Ty did just as well covering JLM, if not better. The other two I can't comment on, because we didn't play them.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:49 pmAgreed, but his ability to cover guys JLM, Dean from ISU and Shaheed from Weber is where JCole really shines.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:43 pmJalen Cole is nowhere near as good against the run as Ty is.wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:02 amAgreed, but so is JCole. Hopefully he's able to make it back from injury.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:00 amOkada is really freaking good in that nickel/slot corner role.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:43 amOh don't get me wrong, I like Okada at safety. But I would hate to lose him in that nickel role. Brayden, Jacque, Jojo, and Brian Campbell (will graduate despite one year of eligibility left) will all be moving on and MSU will need to fill some holes not just for depth but also experience. We can move this conversation to another thread but the current depth at the position for next year is Ty Okada, Luke May, Rylan Ortt...that's it. Last I heard Keaton Anderson took the year off to rehab and make a comeback but injuries have almost derailed his development. The only two corners who may be able to transition are Eric Zambrano or Tylor Bohannon. Alex Johnson may be able to transition from linebacker to strong safety but not sure he has the speed to play that position at this level. Anyway, I'm sure the coaches will bring in some transfers but I just don't understand everyone's concern about our defensive line when the safety cupboard is almost empty.Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:19 amHow about Okada at Safety? Sure tackler. Good speed, physical and great instincts.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:07 amEveryone keeps prioritizing d-line but we have some pretty damn good youth and depth at the position. What we should be talking about? Safety.
I think ideally in base you have him at SS, then in nickel or dime packages you have him on the slot.
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I've been thinking this since the UNC game. There's almost no way Troy doesn't get the 41 next year and he's likely not big enough to play LB on Sundays so we might as well move him to Safety now so that he can shore up that position (and make the All-Conference team at his third different position ) for us and develop the skills needed for the future.joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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Here I'm going through the roster thinking who could actually play SS next year...and I didn't even think about Troy. Well there you have it...Troy and Ty at safety next year. Problem solved!coloradocat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:13 pmI've been thinking this since the UNC game. There's almost no way Troy doesn't get the 41 next year and he's likely not big enough to play LB on Sundays so we might as well move him to Safety now so that he can shore up that position (and make the All-Conference team at his third different position ) for us and develop the skills needed for the future.joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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Not big enough to play LB in the NFL?coloradocat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:13 pmI've been thinking this since the UNC game. There's almost no way Troy doesn't get the 41 next year and he's likely not big enough to play LB on Sundays so we might as well move him to Safety now so that he can shore up that position (and make the All-Conference team at his third different position ) for us and develop the skills needed for the future.joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
Hmmm... I hadn’t thought of that idea. I like it!.... it’s about time that we move him to a new position anyway.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we lose Josh Hill after this season. That's a big loss in my opinion.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:11 pmjoe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
Hmmm... I hadn’t thought of that idea. I like it!.... it’s about time that we move him to a new position anyway.
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It is but I fully believe in the development of our LB core under the tutelage of Bobby Daly. It's a loaded room.Camo_Cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:17 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I thought we lose Josh Hill after this season. That's a big loss in my opinion.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:11 pmjoe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
Hmmm... I hadn’t thought of that idea. I like it!.... it’s about time that we move him to a new position anyway.
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This! We were just discussing this exact thing at work this morning. Boy if he could nail that position with his athleticism and size he'd be a mid-round draft pick for sure!joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:16 pmI bet they throw the 41 jersey on Troy Andersen and move him to strong safety. The LB group is holding their own without him and we get all those guys back.
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