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Re: QB Update
Yep, in addition to several players on the roster that were star QB's in high school but were recruited to likely play other positions, I think this list of players were actutally recruited to be the next "guy", like TL, DM, DP.
Bruggman
Jonsen
Rovig
Bauman
Beltran
Knight
Thelen (Maybe? I know he was told he can come in and compete at QB)
Andersen - I don't he was intended to be QB at MSU, not sure
Bruggman
Jonsen
Rovig
Bauman
Beltran
Knight
Thelen (Maybe? I know he was told he can come in and compete at QB)
Andersen - I don't he was intended to be QB at MSU, not sure
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Re: QB Update
Just to prove that QBs can, and do get better.
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Re: QB Update
Yeah, but he plays at VMI, so that’s different. Our quarterback can only be good if he’s good in his first game.
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Re: QB Update
O'Reilly was recruited to play QB first with the thought that he'd move to LB if he didn't cut it. Same with Luke May except his secondary position was safety.Hawks86 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:56 pm99% weren't recruited to play QB though. Jonsen and maybe O'Reilly signed as QB's and got moved.KittieKop wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:42 pmDidnt want to really bump this thread, but again kinda did in the drive for 100 pages!
Question, and I'll probably catch crap for asking it, but Choate's recruiting philosophy has been to recruit QBs, as they're often the best athletes on the field. Is he or the staff ACTUALLY recruiting quarterbacks, or is it just a hunt for great athletes? I ask seriously, not to be a smart alec, but for having struggled so mightily for 4 years finding "the guy" at QB, it seems more we recruit 20 QBs, throw them all in a room and try to figure out which one of them is closest to being a D1 quarterback, rather than trying to recruit "the guy" who's GOING to be our QB. Kassis? Nope, receiver. Jonsen? Nope, receiver. O'Reilly? Nope. Andersen? (kinda, but nope), LB. I can go on. Has he recruited a guy and went "he's our next QB"?
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Re: QB Update
I think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
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Re: QB Update
Exactly! Choate is a master at finding QBs and turning them into LBs and RB/WRs.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
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Re: QB Update
I don't think most fans here are confused. We understand that he recruits QBs as generic ATHs (get them in the door and figure out where to put them). The problem has been the QBs that actually play QB. Without looking at the stats since Choate arrived, I doubt we've been in the top half of the conference in passing in any year. Far from it most likely. We've had our share of bad breaks (literally in some cases) at the position and the guys on the depth chart are young this year, but many of us just wish there was more there by now. This is largely because it seems to be the only non-strength (I wouldn't call it a weakness as neither guy has lost us any games) position on the team.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
Edit: I'll add that I think most people here would feel much better about the position if the site was locked for 24 hours starting at opening kickoff of every game.
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Re: QB Update
That was my point exactly. Staff is doing a good job of recruiting QBs as athletes and turning them into other projects. I'm just asking how much attention is going into actually recruiting QBs to be QBs. Or do we just recruit as many as we can and the best of the lot takes the snaps?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:05 pmI don't think most fans here are confused. We understand that he recruits QBs as generic ATHs (get them in the door and figure out where to put them). The problem has been the QBs that actually play QB. Without looking at the stats since Choate arrived, I doubt we've been in the top half of the conference in passing in any year. Far from it most likely. We've had our share of bad breaks (literally in some cases) at the position and the guys on the depth chart are young this year, but many of us just wish there was more there by now. This is largely because it seems to be the only non-strength (I wouldn't call it a weakness as neither guy has lost us any games) position on the team.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
Edit: I'll add that I think most people here would feel much better about the position if the site was locked for 24 hours starting at opening kickoff of every game.
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Re: QB Update
I'm pretty sure they don't spend much time at all. Probably just pick a couple names from a hat.
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Re: QB Update
They’re having some bad luck and have had to go back to square one three times. It has slowed down the improvement curve, but they’ve also built strengths that are hard to develop. They know what a good QB looks like. It’s just a matter of time.
The offensive line is second to none and a very good defensive line. When you get into big games like this weekend, that’s when those areas really get leaned on and shine.
The offensive line is second to none and a very good defensive line. When you get into big games like this weekend, that’s when those areas really get leaned on and shine.
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Re: QB Update
Prukop was a below average passer who couldn't win games despite putting up record breaking numbers for two full seasons (in the other thread). But Bruggeman, Murray, Bruggeman, Murray, Andersen, Rovig, Andersen, Bauman, Rovig, Josen, Kassis Andersen in 3+ seasons.....is just bad luck that'll straighten itself out if given time?
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Re: QB Update
Yep, I think the list I provided above represents the QBs that they recruited to actually come in and compete to be THE GUY. Everyone else as ATH to be moved elsewhere.KittieKop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:30 pmThat was my point exactly. Staff is doing a good job of recruiting QBs as athletes and turning them into other projects. I'm just asking how much attention is going into actually recruiting QBs to be QBs. Or do we just recruit as many as we can and the best of the lot takes the snaps?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:05 pmI don't think most fans here are confused. We understand that he recruits QBs as generic ATHs (get them in the door and figure out where to put them). The problem has been the QBs that actually play QB. Without looking at the stats since Choate arrived, I doubt we've been in the top half of the conference in passing in any year. Far from it most likely. We've had our share of bad breaks (literally in some cases) at the position and the guys on the depth chart are young this year, but many of us just wish there was more there by now. This is largely because it seems to be the only non-strength (I wouldn't call it a weakness as neither guy has lost us any games) position on the team.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
Edit: I'll add that I think most people here would feel much better about the position if the site was locked for 24 hours starting at opening kickoff of every game.
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Re: QB Update
catatac wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:54 pmYep, I think the list I provided above represents the QBs that they recruited to actually come in and compete to be THE GUY. Everyone else as ATH to be moved elsewhere. VIM could probably amend my list wherever I'm off.KittieKop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:30 pmThat was my point exactly. Staff is doing a good job of recruiting QBs as athletes and turning them into other projects. I'm just asking how much attention is going into actually recruiting QBs to be QBs. Or do we just recruit as many as we can and the best of the lot takes the snaps?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:05 pmI don't think most fans here are confused. We understand that he recruits QBs as generic ATHs (get them in the door and figure out where to put them). The problem has been the QBs that actually play QB. Without looking at the stats since Choate arrived, I doubt we've been in the top half of the conference in passing in any year. Far from it most likely. We've had our share of bad breaks (literally in some cases) at the position and the guys on the depth chart are young this year, but many of us just wish there was more there by now. This is largely because it seems to be the only non-strength (I wouldn't call it a weakness as neither guy has lost us any games) position on the team.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
Edit: I'll add that I think most people here would feel much better about the position if the site was locked for 24 hours starting at opening kickoff of every game.
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Re: QB Update
No, being the coach of two QBs that have broken their foot, another who broke his hand, another who failed academically, and one who transferred to Oregon and one who was lights out in practice, but failed in games in the span of less than four years is pretty bad luck.KittieKop wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:48 pmPrukop was a below average passer who couldn't win games despite putting up record breaking numbers for two full seasons (in the other thread). But Bruggeman, Murray, Bruggeman, Murray, Andersen, Rovig, Andersen, Bauman, Rovig, Josen, Kassis Andersen in 3+ seasons.....is just bad luck that'll straighten itself out if given time?
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Re: QB Update
I highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
EDIT: This is not to say I've given up on Rovig. Heck, Prukop was not ready as a freshman either, so I'm not ready to give up on Bauman permanently. I'm just saying that I don't think anyone is criticizing Choate's ability to find QBs because guys like Kevin Kassis and Brayden Konkol aren't 3000 yard passers.
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Re: QB Update
Are you sure? Based on what I’ve read on various subjects on here, I’m not.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:06 pmI highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
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Did I say I was?TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:09 pmAre you sure?BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:06 pmI highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
That said, all of the criticisms I've read on here are related to either the performance of the guys who have actually played QB for the Bobcats, or to the absence of any player who has the qualities they want in a quarterback.
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Re: QB Update
Well, I assume you’re aware Prukop was an average quarterback. Among other things.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:13 pmDid I say I was?TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:09 pmAre you sure?BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:06 pmI highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
That said, all of the criticisms I've read on here are related to either the performance of the guys who have actually played QB for the Bobcats, or to the absence of any player who has the qualities they want in a quarterback.
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I'm aware that he is not as universally beloved as Lulay and McGhee, if that's what you're saying.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:17 pmWell, I assume you’re aware Prukop was an average quarterback. Among other things.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:13 pmDid I say I was?TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:09 pmAre you sure?BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:06 pmI highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
That said, all of the criticisms I've read on here are related to either the performance of the guys who have actually played QB for the Bobcats, or to the absence of any player who has the qualities they want in a quarterback.
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Re: QB Update
His passing skills were average, according to posters here on Bobcat Nation.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:29 pmI'm aware that he is not as universally beloved as Lulay and McGhee, if that's what you're saying.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:17 pmWell, I assume you’re aware Prukop was an average quarterback. Among other things.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:13 pmDid I say I was?TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:09 pmAre you sure?BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:06 pmI highly doubt that's the reason people think Choate is failing miserably to find a QB. I think it has a lot more to do with the production (or lack thereof) from the passing game so far with Choate.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:58 pmI think there’s a lot of confused fans out there. Choate says he likes to recruit quarterbacks. Some fans think he’s recruiting them to actually play QB. He recruits them because they’re usually good athletes that can play other positions. But people think he’s recruiting them to play QB and that he’s therefore failing miserably to find a QB.
That said, all of the criticisms I've read on here are related to either the performance of the guys who have actually played QB for the Bobcats, or to the absence of any player who has the qualities they want in a quarterback.
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