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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:34 am

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 am
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Also sounds like good news for Romney.
Renovation of Romney Hall into more classroom space at MSU. The $32 million project has been a priority for the university system for several years. Under HB652, $25 million of the cost would be funded by bonds and the remainder by private funds.
https://kxlh.com/news/montana-politics/ ... -projects/
Sometimes it takes something like this to revisit the prevailing wisdom. So, flat roofed buildings in a snow zone climate might NOT be the best? 8)
That was my initial thought when this happened... But I drive down the street in town here, and virtually every commercial building has a flat roof, including huge ones like Wal-Mart and Costco. So flat roofs can't be the sole problem, or we'd see collapses all over the place this year.
There must have been a design flaw or construction flaw in those particular roofs.
I agree, I don't think it's the end of the world to have a flat roof. Part of the problem is that the big stores can have posts in the middle for support. The North and South gyms have a pretty big span with no support except on the edges. There are gyms all over Montana though, and I'd guess most of them have a flat roof. It scares me to think of how many people (especially kids) can be in those at any given time. I hope this opens a lot of eyes with school boards and building owners all over the place about getting flat roofs checked out on older buildings.
Excellent point on the middle support posts. There must be a maximum distance per post rule/equation. I work in a building that has no support posts and is roughly the same square footage as those gyms. It’s about 20 years newer.


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by BobCatFan » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:41 pm

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Insurance. Would NOT removing a large buildup of snow on a flat roof constitute a mitigating factor, a loop hole in the payoff scheme of things?
The school did not purchase car insurance for a building. Most building coverages are replacement cost policies based on current build codes.



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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by AFCAT » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:43 am

Another partial collapsed roof in Bozeman.

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/n ... 9210f.html


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Joe Bobcat » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:10 pm

A few days ago there was this one too.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ro ... &FORM=VIRE


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by iaafan » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:15 pm

But those roofs aren’t flat.



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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by FTG247365 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:30 pm

Joe Bobcat wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:10 pm
A few days ago there was this one too.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ro ... &FORM=VIRE
Feel bad for these guys.



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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Joe Bobcat » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:38 pm

iaafan wrote:
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But those roofs aren’t flat.
True, which maybe supports (pun intended) the idea that the snow load weight in Bozeman is substantially above normal this year.


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Re: South gym roof collapse

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Re: South gym roof collapse

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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Long Time Cat » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:22 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:14 pm
Man you have a lot of snow in Bozeman still! I loved living in Bozeman but I sure don't miss the snow this time of year.


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by stevo » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:41 am

I copy and pasted this information that showed up in the builders exchange today.

TEMPORARY STRUCTURES MSU
Location: Bozeman Gallatin MT
When: 5:00 PM
Status: Online BIN #: Online
State:
Postponed: No Show Location (Map)
Project Type: Replacement /Upgrade
Estimate Low:
Bid Packages: No
Estimate High:
Contract#/Ref:
Published Date:
Plan Status: Online Only Spec Status: Online Only
No of Plans: 0 No of Specs: 0
Plans Cost:
Description:
Due to the recent roof collapse event at the Marga Hosaeus Fitness Center, MSU is seeking immediate and dedicated professional services to design one to three temporary, pre-fabricated structures that will house a variety of recreational and athletic program activities replacing significant interior space lost during the structure collapse.

Services Anticipated: site planning, programming scenarios, civil, architectural, mechanical and electrical. Reconstruction of the collapsed/damaged structures and facilities is not part of the scope.

Start Date: immediately after appointment by DOA Director, anticipated to be on or about April 1, 2019.

Anticipated bid date: mid-May 2019 (multiple bid packages are possible). Time is of the essence for these services and firms shall be required to adequately staff and deliver the necessary construction documents. Firm’s must clearly demonstrate their commitment and ability to meet this timeline.

Interested firms shall:

Indicate your interest via response within the eMACS system or email to rwarfle@mt.gov, john.how@montana.edu, and randy.stephens1@montana.edu no later than Thursday, March 28, 2019, by 5 p.m.;

Email response indicating interest must state the firm’s commitment and ability to meeting the timelines established by MSU for development of the necessary bid packages; and,

Have a current A&E Form 114, Statement of Qualifications on file or provide one to the above email addresses no later than Thursday, March 28, 2019, by 5 p.m.


Reconstruction of the collapsed/damaged structures and facilities is not part of this scope of services.


In the interest of time and depending upon the responses received, A&E and MSU reserve the right to separate the Temporary Structures effort and select multiple lists of three (3) firms for various portions of the work if determined it is in the State’s best interest to do so. Each list would be presented to the DOA Director as a separate project selection.

For more information contact:

John How, Director of Campus Planning, Design & Construction

john.how@montana.edu

(406) 994-2105

Randy Stephens, University Architect

Randy.stephens1@montana.edu

(406) 994-5463


[END OF RFQ SOLICITATION]

cc: John How, MSU

Randy Stephens, MSU

Ron Muffick, OCHE

Gordon Amsbaugh, RMTD
Temporary Structures MSU
Bid Date Information
Description Bid Date Bid Time Extended Bid Date Change
3/28/2019 5:00 PM No No
Project Contacts
Issuing Office
Show Contact State of Montana Architecture & Engineering Division sfaherty@mt.gov Ph: 406-444-2566 Fx: (406) 444-3399 Helena MT
Companies wishing to bid as prime or general contractors must obtain a full set from the owner or issuing office of the project.


 



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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Hawks86 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:04 am

Temporary structures? Are they talking about bubbles? A bubble would be a fairly cheap(NDSU had one that cost $1.5 million)solution until the IPF is built. They could also rent them out to local sports organizations.


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by RobertCats » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am

Hawks86 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:04 am
Temporary structures? Are they talking about bubbles? A bubble would be a fairly cheap(NDSU had one that cost $1.5 million)solution until the IPF is built. They could also rent them out to local sports organizations.
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?



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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Pecos24 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am

RobertCats wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?
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Re: South gym roof collapse

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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by vike_king » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:15 am

Pecos24 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?
:lol:
.....and for those of us (me) who don't get that reference...????


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by Hawks86 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:22 am

vike_king wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:15 am
Pecos24 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?
:lol:
.....and for those of us (me) who don't get that reference...????
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47368


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by BozoneCat » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:41 pm

RobertCats wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:04 am
Temporary structures? Are they talking about bubbles? A bubble would be a fairly cheap(NDSU had one that cost $1.5 million)solution until the IPF is built. They could also rent them out to local sports organizations.
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?
:lol: :lol: :lol: =D^ =D^ =D^


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by vike_king » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:34 pm

Hawks86 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:22 am
vike_king wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:15 am
Pecos24 wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:54 am
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:53 am
I am not sold on the idea of a bubble until I hear Nico Harrison's opinion on the matter. Has anyone even ****** called him!?
:lol:
.....and for those of us (me) who don't get that reference...????
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47368
Thank you VERY much for the context. I think the clip of the gal spitting her drink is very appropriate.


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Re: South gym roof collapse

Post by mslacatfan » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:46 pm

hahaha. awwww, good stuff. I feel like the "has anyone called Nico about this?" line is going to keep popping up over the next 10 years, in many, many threads...


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