The Bobcat Nation

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:45 pm

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:09 pm

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:47 pm

"...help everyone understand that we're not that far away."

I believe we are far away. Very far away. MSU has always had difficulty with this and the money they raise cannot all go toward football related facilities. I hope I am wrong but I would expect little (if any) improvement for 5 more years.

So you think Choate misspoke?

NO, Choate is pushing as hard as he can and doing everything he can by producing a winning team under the current facility plan. I just think it will be harder than he realizes. We need a lot of money. The stadium alone needs about $30M and the indoor practice facility is job one so make that $45 M. Since other facilities cannot be ignored make that $60M plus. I just don't see that happening in less than 5-10 maybe even 15 years. We don't get much just replacing the east side stands. It will look better and line up with the end zone but it produces about the same number of seats and does not change the overall stadium much. BUT, it has to be done second (after the indoor practice facility) because it is falling apart. S9 again, $45 - $60 million before a lot of stadium improvements. NOw an indoor practice facility will help but I believe that what really matters to recruits is the stadium they play in and maybe the locker rooms/weight room(s).

He's not talking about everything. Just the NEZ complex which is first. He even mentioned a bubble would be fine for right now.

If I was him I would want the NEZ first also but that would be difficult. THe indoor practice facility is used my almost every university sport and therefore they all benefit and all support it. The NEZ does not. When I toured the SDSU indoor facility I could see how they were using it. They were able to train their student athletes in a unique way that you could not do in a typical weight room setting. When you donate to the expansion project you have a choice. A donation for all of it or you can be specific. If they get a $15M donation from one source who says I want it to go to the stadium then we are on our way. If not Choate will have to fight for the money just like every other coach in the department. The indoor facility is an easy sell because football wins. recruiting improves and the other sports support the decision. Try selling a $15M+ end zone when the other sports see little facility improvement and the stadium just added about $12M+ a few years ago (end zone, turf, lights and scoreboard).

A bubble is still expensive and is more expensive as a whole once you replace it with a steel structure.

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 pm

The Bobcat Athletic Complex is designed to meet the needs identified
by users and stakeholders and encompasses current trends in Division I
athletics and at peer institutions.
Objectives
Create a state of the art facility at a level necessary for the Bobcat
football team to better recruit and compete for Big Sky Conference
and national championships.
Free up space in the Brick Breeden Fieldhouse to set the stage for
future renovations to the seating bowl, fan amenities and improved
student-athlete academic success, training, and performance areas.
Location
This new home for the football team will be in the north end zone of
Bobcat Stadium.
Benefits include:
• proximity to the training facilities
• provides sense of enclosure to the stadium, enhances intimacy and
increases home-field advantage
• creates a front door and face to the football stadium on Kagy
Boulevard and 11th Avenue.
Facility details and amenities
This facility will contain a new locker room for day-to-day use and
game-day use.
It will provide all necessary health, safety and training areas for the
football team and all student-athletes, including:
• new weight room
• nutrition refueling station
• training and rehab and recovery rooms.
It will be a showcase for recruiting, highlighting the history of MSU
football and giving recruits a glimpse of what life as a Bobcat can be. It
will provide the necessary spaces and tools for coaches including team
rooms, coaches’ offices, conference rooms and video analysis

It also includes the new academic center in the fieldhouse.

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:37 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 pm

The Bobcat Athletic Complex is designed to meet the needs identified
by users and stakeholders and encompasses current trends in Division I
athletics and at peer institutions.
Objectives
Create a state of the art facility at a level necessary for the Bobcat
football team to better recruit and compete for Big Sky Conference
and national championships.
Free up space in the Brick Breeden Fieldhouse to set the stage for
future renovations to the seating bowl, fan amenities and improved
student-athlete academic success, training, and performance areas.
Location
This new home for the football team will be in the north end zone of
Bobcat Stadium.
Benefits include:
• proximity to the training facilities
• provides sense of enclosure to the stadium, enhances intimacy and
increases home-field advantage
• creates a front door and face to the football stadium on Kagy
Boulevard and 11th Avenue.
Facility details and amenities
This facility will contain a new locker room for day-to-day use and
game-day use.
It will provide all necessary health, safety and training areas for the
football team and all student-athletes, including:
• new weight room
• nutrition refueling station
• training and rehab and recovery rooms.
It will be a showcase for recruiting, highlighting the history of MSU
football and giving recruits a glimpse of what life as a Bobcat can be. It
will provide the necessary spaces and tools for coaches including team
rooms, coaches’ offices, conference rooms and video analysis

It also includes the new academic center in the fieldhouse.

I believe it is critical we get a shovel in the ground for this by this summer. They have been using this as a selling point to recruits for the last two years. If we don’t get going on this, the football program will suffer. We are not keeping up with the competition.

I am disappointed that we fans are not hearing anything about where we are with this. Does it mean we are still far away? I hope not.

gtapp wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:12 am

Was it ever stated how much the end zone/academic center would cost? I know costs can move around based on material and construction cost variations but is there a ballpark number?

FTG_1984 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:50 am

BUILD THE FACILITIES!!

BUILD THE WALL!!

GoCats18 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:53 am

I have a feeling that we must be close to having the money for phase 1. I am thinking that we will soon be seeing construction begin on the North Endzone. My only question, how long will it take to complete this? Would it be done by the time the season starts? Anyone know how long UM’s weight/locker room building took?

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:45 pm

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:09 pm

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:47 pm

"...help everyone understand that we're not that far away."

I believe we are far away. Very far away. MSU has always had difficulty with this and the money they raise cannot all go toward football related facilities. I hope I am wrong but I would expect little (if any) improvement for 5 more years.

So you think Choate misspoke?

NO, Choate is pushing as hard as he can and doing everything he can by producing a winning team under the current facility plan. I just think it will be harder than he realizes. We need a lot of money. The stadium alone needs about $30M and the indoor practice facility is job one so make that $45 M. Since other facilities cannot be ignored make that $60M plus. I just don't see that happening in less than 5-10 maybe even 15 years. We don't get much just replacing the east side stands. It will look better and line up with the end zone but it produces about the same number of seats and does not change the overall stadium much. BUT, it has to be done second (after the indoor practice facility) because it is falling apart. S9 again, $45 - $60 million before a lot of stadium improvements. NOw an indoor practice facility will help but I believe that what really matters to recruits is the stadium they play in and maybe the locker rooms/weight room(s).

He's not talking about everything. Just the NEZ complex which is first. He even mentioned a bubble would be fine for right now.

If I was him I would want the NEZ first also but that would be difficult. THe indoor practice facility is used my almost every university sport and therefore they all benefit and all support it. The NEZ does not. When I toured the SDSU indoor facility I could see how they were using it. They were able to train their student athletes in a unique way that you could not do in a typical weight room setting. When you donate to the expansion project you have a choice. A donation for all of it or you can be specific. If they get a $15M donation from one source who says I want it to go to the stadium then we are on our way. If not Choate will have to fight for the money just like every other coach in the department. The indoor facility is an easy sell because football wins. recruiting improves and the other sports support the decision. Try selling a $15M+ end zone when the other sports see little facility improvement and the stadium just added about $12M+ a few years ago (end zone, turf, lights and scoreboard).

A bubble is still expensive and is more expensive as a whole once you replace it with a steel structure.

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:09 pm

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:47 pm

"...help everyone understand that we're not that far away."

I believe we are far away. Very far away. MSU has always had difficulty with this and the money they raise cannot all go toward football related facilities. I hope I am wrong but I would expect little (if any) improvement for 5 more years.

So you think Choate misspoke?

NO, Choate is pushing as hard as he can and doing everything he can by producing a winning team under the current facility plan. I just think it will be harder than he realizes. We need a lot of money. The stadium alone needs about $30M and the indoor practice facility is job one so make that $45 M. Since other facilities cannot be ignored make that $60M plus. I just don't see that happening in less than 5-10 maybe even 15 years. We don't get much just replacing the east side stands. It will look better and line up with the end zone but it produces about the same number of seats and does not change the overall stadium much. BUT, it has to be done second (after the indoor practice facility) because it is falling apart. So again, $45 - $60 million before a lot of stadium improvements. NOw an indoor practice facility will help but I believe that what really matters to recruits is the stadium they play in and maybe the locker rooms/weight room(s).

91catAlum wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:22 am

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:41 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:09 pm

gtapp wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 pm

Hawks86 wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:47 pm

"...help everyone understand that we're not that far away."

I believe we are far away. Very far away. MSU has always had difficulty with this and the money they raise cannot all go toward football related facilities. I hope I am wrong but I would expect little (if any) improvement for 5 more years.

So you think Choate misspoke?

NO, Choate is pushing as hard as he can and doing everything he can by producing a winning team under the current facility plan. I just think it will be harder than he realizes. We need a lot of money. The stadium alone needs about $30M and the indoor practice facility is job one so make that $45 M. Since other facilities cannot be ignored make that $60M plus. I just don't see that happening in less than 5-10 maybe even 15 years. We don't get much just replacing the east side stands. It will look better and line up with the end zone but it produces about the same number of seats and does not change the overall stadium much. BUT, it has to be done second (after the indoor practice facility) because it is falling apart. So again, $45 - $60 million before a lot of stadium improvements. NOw an indoor practice facility will help but I believe that what really matters to recruits is the stadium they play in and maybe the locker rooms/weight room(s).

You need to take another look at the facilities plan. Phase 1 is the North End Zone building. Period.

Cost is about $16 million. When Choate says that we are close, he's referring to that 16 million. And I'm sure he knows exactly where we're at, so if he says we're close, I think its a safe assumption that means we're more than half way there.

Beyond that, I think you're right that the indoor practice facility and East Side rebuild are many years away.

BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:09 am

For sure won't see anything announced until after the legislative session. MSU and the entire university system's number one building priority is the renovation and conversion of Romney Gym into a classroom building. It would be bad politics to announce a football stadium improvement while that is being considered.

RobertCats wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:27 am

Soooooo, who is starting the GoFundMe page?