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Post by Robcat » Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:27 pm

WBTFG- What I heard Kramer say this year, during spring ball, in regards to JUCO players. They may look good on paper, but he would reserve judgement until they proved it on the field. He also added that he likes to bring them thru the ranks, but there again the best talent on paper may not work out. Would he prefer HS players, yes. However its about impossible to have a sucessful program without some D1 drop downs or JUCO players.



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Post by catatac » Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:48 pm

Exactly WBTFG! Nothing to panic about. In fact I was surprised our D started off as good as it did considering who we lost. Then they played solid until the Sac. Letdown. All teams have their letdown games sooner or later. Then the EWU game started awesome and granted gave it all away in the 2nd half but I’m not sure any defense in the country could have stopped that O in the 2nd half. Then as for Cat\Griz we were just spent and finished from the get-go, due to the Eastern game IMO. Good things will happen next year.


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Post by SteelheadBum » Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:55 pm

Dear Santa (Coach K):

Please, oh, please bring us many American Samoan D & O linemen!!!! I've been really good this year, so add a quality kicker and punter for our team, too. Full rides for all. Thanks.

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Post by suckitgriz » Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:30 pm

as long as the jizz keep winning and packing the house, they are going to get the cream of the crop in-state kids. you can hardly blame Kramer for looking to Transfers to improve. It is only a matter of time until the In state talent comes to MSU.


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Post by grizhatr » Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:36 pm

For sure. I see the Lebsock kid from Skyview verballed to UM. I kind of always thought he would since he has been able to watch his brother play the last few years. I agree with the earlier posts about getting the kid as a freshman and that whole growth thing. I do however, feel that its not only the kids we are recruiting, but the coaches giving instruction. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I really think we need to get a better secondary coach, someone with more experience in the man to man, eg: Rushing. Joey was a real advocate of him, and learned plenty. This coming from someone who plays on Sundays. Just my two cents!



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Post by Helcat72 » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:26 pm

As I posted before, I think we should move Bolton back to guard when Jensen is healed and make a decision on Figeroa vs someone taller with longer arms. I know he is an excellent lineman for his size, but I feel our inside running game and the passes that were knocked down were directly attributable to the physical size of our interior linemen. Just my opinion! Figeroa and Wolf could provide a good depth chart at center.

I think Birkland and Saucedo would really help the D-line to give them depth. this wopuld mena we would be tackle-rich! We then need a couple of really fast/athletic defensive ends.

Finally I don't think you can have enough corners. Like I heard someone say the other night " If the coaches figure they need two....get four!


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Post by wbtfg » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:33 pm

Figs was 1st team all conference!?!?!?!?! While we're at it, maybe we should substitute a taller quarterback in for Lulay that way no passes will be tipped, and possibly a taller receiver in for Gatewood.

Figs had a great year, and he EARNED the starting spot. After one of our games Kramer proclaimed figs as the best OG in the big sky, and it's pretty hard to argue that when the kid makes 1st team all conference in basically his first year playing here.
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Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:44 pm

wbtfg wrote:Figs was 1st team all conference!?!?!?!?! While we're at it, maybe we should substitute a taller quarterback in for Lulay that way no passes will be tipped, and possibly a taller receiver in for Gatewood.

Figs had a great year, and he EARNED the starting spot. After one game Kramer proclaimed figs as the best OG in the big sky, and it's pretty hard to argue that when the kid makes 1st team all conference in basically his first year playing here.
The tips at the line are due to 1) Lulay's release .. he throws it on a rope weather it is 5 yards or 20 yards .... 2 times in Griz game he actually hit the DL guy in the helmet 2) We were passing 50 times a game. When you pass that much, the DL can just pin its ears back and pass rush/try swatting the passes at will We were too 1 dimensional (granted we were really good at that 1 dimension :)) I thought this year. We need a 60-40 balance (pass to run at the minimum).



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Post by jagur1 » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:46 pm

Can we call that the, "Cardiac Ratio."


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Post by Helcat72 » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:48 pm

wbtfg wrote:Figs was 1st team all conference!?!?!?!?! While we're at it, maybe we should substitute a taller quarterback in for Lulay that way no passes will be tipped, and possibly a taller receiver in for Gatewood.

Figs had a great year, and he EARNED the starting spot. After one of our games Kramer proclaimed figs as the best OG in the big sky, and it's pretty hard to argue that when the kid makes 1st team all conference in basically his first year playing here.
So what is the reason we can't run?


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Post by wbtfg » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:51 pm

I certainly don't think it's Figaroa's fault.



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Post by jagur1 » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:51 pm

Bad JC transfer running backs. :?


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Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:04 pm

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wbtfg wrote:Figs was 1st team all conference!?!?!?!?! While we're at it, maybe we should substitute a taller quarterback in for Lulay that way no passes will be tipped, and possibly a taller receiver in for Gatewood.

Figs had a great year, and he EARNED the starting spot. After one of our games Kramer proclaimed figs as the best OG in the big sky, and it's pretty hard to argue that when the kid makes 1st team all conference in basically his first year playing here.
So what is the reason we can't run?
I think Domineck is an OK running back, but he definately doesn't scare anyone running inside the tackle (and if closed off) then popping it off to the outside. Therefore most of the other teams just stack the line between the tackles as they know he won't spring one outside very often and turn it up for a HUGE gain. He can run pretty fast straight ahead, but he has trouble turning his hips or something when he breaks outside and then needs to turn it up field. Everytime we ran it up the middle this year there was just a cluster of bodies all over in the middle and no holes I thought. And the defense seemed to have 6-8 bodies in there :)

????? Anyway, I would just watch him run to the outside and Domineck would have to slow down to dig his cleats in/swivel his hips and then lose speed .. then have to get it going again. Molluck last year and Ryno could slide upfield as they ran laterally and then turn it on with the cut w/o losing speed I thought?



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Post by BelgradeBobcat » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:16 pm

Another reason we weren't effective running: Last year on the left side we had Swaggert and Toiolo, this year we had Jensen and Birkland. That's approximately 50 pounds less beef up there doing the blocking.

Another reason: We only really had one effective tightend (Wolf) and he became a pass catcher.

Also: Our offense ran better out of the shotgun/no huddle. When we tried to huddle and had Lulay under center we sputtered mightily.

If we're going to stay with the spread offense again next year we need a lot of d-linemen because the game gets much longer and the d-linemen are going to wear down. I saw this in last night's MAC game on ESPN2. Bowling Green vs. Toledo. BG had a big lead, but couldn't hold on-couldn't control the clock, but after Toledo took the lead, they had to hang on for dear life too. The biggest downside to that spread offense is it gives the other team an awful lot of opportunities to catch up.



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Post by PDXKat » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:46 pm

Dont worry about the running game next year. We'll have Dom, Milton, Gathing, and a really good young one in the freshman Groves, you'll hear a lot about him this spring. There will be good comp at this spot. We will have depth and quality on the oline. The blocked passes have nothing to do with Lulay throwing ropes, when you throw in a crowd in the middle of the field you better throw it on a rope, the receivers will catch. When you throw as much as we did, things happen. The oline need to engage the dline and if both sides are a little tired, it's easier to just jump than try to push - notice how most of the blocked passes were late in both the last 2 games. Our lbs will be alright with Epi, Mac, Marudus, Curley and the freshman Mauia as core guys. A couple more d lineman, (I love the guys we have coming back though) like most in here are saying, appear neccessary and maybe they will move a few oline guys back. Good corner play, which we expect, and we will be playing well into December.



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Post by BozoneCat » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:57 pm

Don't be too sure about getting Milton back. From everything I have heard, we are not counting on him. Nerve damage isn't something you just take time and recover from. I am more concerned about him getting his shoulder better for the long-haul of life rather than if he can play football or not, it is that serious.

I still don't think we've answered our questions at running back yet. My hopes are that Graves is the kid, but without having seen him play, who knows? I'm also not sure we will have great depth at WR right now - personally, I don't think Roosevelt is the answer, although maybe Junior can do a miracle with his hands this offseason. We may be thinner than we thought here... just a little foreshadowing.


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Post by CelticCat » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:01 pm

I don't think it's fair to judge Roosevelt. Name one of our receivers that didn't have stone-hand syndrom at the beginning of the year? I remember the first two games I watched, I though Roosevelt was playing better than anyone. I thought Gatewood was horrid, and Guinn would probably end up being the go to guy. See how things changed? Roosevelt went down at ISU, never got a chance to improve like the rest of the guys did. I think he has the skills, plus he is very fast and agile. Beyond Guinn, Gatewood, and Roosevelt, I don't even know who else is sitting on the bench. Alley?


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Post by Helcat72 » Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:16 pm

BozoneCat wrote:Don't be too sure about getting Milton back. From everything I have heard, we are not counting on him. Nerve damage isn't something you just take time and recover from. I am more concerned about him getting his shoulder better for the long-haul of life rather than if he can play football or not, it is that serious.

I still don't think we've answered our questions at running back yet. My hopes are that Graves is the kid, but without having seen him play, who knows? I'm also not sure we will have great depth at WR right now - personally, I don't think Roosevelt is the answer, although maybe Junior can do a miracle with his hands this offseason. We may be thinner than we thought here... just a little foreshadowing.
Milton is planning on coming back...whether his injury will allow it will remain to be seen. I heard he is seeking the opinion of a specialist in California. (Rumor)
I hate to belabor the point, but I still think we need to shore up the offensive line no matter who the running back is. Maybe not having two good blocking TE's is the problem we can't take the ball into the endzone when we get it inside the 10. If we didn't score from out further, we had a hell of a time scoring on the ground against good teams )e.g. EWU, UM)
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Post by iaafan » Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:55 pm

What's going on with Tyler Lulay? I'd think he's going to factor in somewhere next year or at least get a chance at either rec. or safety. I think a lot of the players that red-shirted last year could work out real well in terms of added depth. Looking at the roster I think all these guys -- Saucedo, Beniger, Watson, Ouilhon, Papich, Parker, Smith, Lulay, Groves, Mauia, Gilchrist, Bostick, Bolton (he played some, but I think he got a med. hardship) all red-shirted. There may be others, but unless I'm mistaken I think all of the above were redshirts. I believe the only true freshman to play was Barnhardt.

Lowe didn't have the year I thought he'd have, so I'm guessing DE will be a spot they will bring in a transfer or two depending on if Matakis stays inside or goes to DE. O'Tool and Rogers and Saucedo are in there at tackle, so if they keep Matakis at tackle, they'll have a very good rotatio there. LB looks pretty good with Marudas, King and Mollohan, and with Smith and Hunter coming back at corner that should be deeper -- Fuller and Austin improve and aren't shell-shocked for life.

I don't know why Kramer thinks he needs to go out and get a lot of transfers and JCs, but I think any coach would be foolish to not look to see what's out there. Esp. for those with three years remaining, like Matakis, Eddie Smith and Doroski. I'd also be scratching my head if he tries to land a punter or kicker. Lulay is effective and the Doroski/Bolton combo should be OK inside 40 yards. A kick returner type would be nice, but I think Smith will handle those -- at least the punt returns as he had several TD returns.



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Post by HelenaCat » Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:32 pm

I think right now they have Tyler Lulayplugged in at WR-how cool will that be next year to see Lulay to Lulay.

I disagree about any strength next year at D-line. I think we look thin there right now. Currently, I think Saucedo is still on the O-line. Given that, all I see returning is Lowe and Cogley(unproven) at D-end and Matakis, Rogers, and O'Toole (also unproven) at tackle. Looks very thin and small to me right now.

I agree that LB looks fine with Marudas, Mollohan, King, and a few redshirts or others behind them. And D-back looks ok as long as everyone stays healthy. But a few key injuries again and we could have some problems.

Overall, I am worried about the defense next year. We probably do need a few key drop downs or JCs to help out. I hope that we can pick up some good ones that will provide an impact next year-ala Chuck Jones from Portland State type!



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