FCS Games 10/19

[BleedingBLue]

SDSU is the better team. They may not win, but they're better. They've made more mistakes and fewer big plays though.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Nevermind. NDSU interception to seal it.

[coloradocat]

I'm not watching the game. Is this two great defenses imposing their wills or two teams that are overrated and playing to a stalemate? And which conclusion will the voters/committee come to?

Two very good defenses (especially SDSU) but both offenses have had costly penalties and missed opportunities for big plays. I have a really hard time seeing the committee seeding the loser of this game #2 if MSU goes 12-0.

In that case the only seeding options for MSU are #1 or #3.

MSU #3: If the winner gets #1 and the loser played them to essentially a draw then clearly they're #2.
MSU #1: The DSUs are even but clearly have holes if neither team can get to double digits, regardless of how good the defenses are. Make then 2/3.

MSU #1 seems more legitimate but the DSUs have won almost every national title for the last 15 years. And we've only beaten them once in the playoffs during that span. Every member of the committee is human and history matters to humans.

The 2 seed is very possible for MSU. The loser of this game will finish 10-2 at best, there's little chance that gets seeded over a 12-0 MSU with an FBS win and presumably wins over highly ranked Idaho, Davis, and the griz.

10-1*

*FBS losses don't count, especially against P4 teams.


MSU definitely deserves to be #2 at worst if we win out but don't underestimate the committee's ability to create the bracket they want. That's all I'm saying.

[Monymony]

Wow. Hope this bumps cats to 2

[Bocephus]

Well this will be interesting come Monday, is this week the committee’s first top 10 ranking?

[Lord Vigo]

This is a worst case scenario outcome. Voters can just flip flop the top 2 and leave the rest alone. I think an undefeated MSU gets into the top 2, but I would not put it past the playoff committee to screw the Cats again.

[BleedingBLue]

I'm not watching the game. Is this two great defenses imposing their wills or two teams that are overrated and playing to a stalemate? And which conclusion will the voters/committee come to?

Two very good defenses (especially SDSU) but both offenses have had costly penalties and missed opportunities for big plays. I have a really hard time seeing the committee seeding the loser of this game #2 if MSU goes 12-0.

In that case the only seeding options for MSU are #1 or #3.

MSU #3: If the winner gets #1 and the loser played them to essentially a draw then clearly they're #2.
MSU #1: The DSUs are even but clearly have holes if neither team can get to double digits, regardless of how good the defenses are. Make then 2/3.

MSU #1 seems more legitimate but the DSUs have won almost every national title for the last 15 years. And we've only beaten them once in the playoffs during that span. Every member of the committee is human and history matters to humans.

The 2 seed is very possible for MSU. The loser of this game will finish 10-2 at best, there's little chance that gets seeded over a 12-0 MSU with an FBS win and presumably wins over highly ranked Idaho, Davis, and the griz.

10-1*

*FBS losses don't count, especially against P4 teams.


MSU definitely deserves to be #2 at worst if we win out but don't underestimate the committee's ability to create the bracket they want. That's all I'm saying.

9-1*

DII wins don't count.

No way in hell SDSU can be ranked higher than a 12-0 MSU team.

[MSU01]

This is a worst case scenario outcome. Voters can just flip flop the top 2 and leave the rest alone. I think an undefeated MSU gets into the top 2, but I would not put it past the playoff committee to screw the Cats again.

MSU can have 12 D-1 wins and the most SDSU can have is 9. Seeding SDSU ahead of MSU would be an all-time screw job. But yeah, I wouldn't put it past the committee completely.

[coloradocat]

I'm not watching the game. Is this two great defenses imposing their wills or two teams that are overrated and playing to a stalemate? And which conclusion will the voters/committee come to?

Two very good defenses (especially SDSU) but both offenses have had costly penalties and missed opportunities for big plays. I have a really hard time seeing the committee seeding the loser of this game #2 if MSU goes 12-0.

In that case the only seeding options for MSU are #1 or #3.

MSU #3: If the winner gets #1 and the loser played them to essentially a draw then clearly they're #2.
MSU #1: The DSUs are even but clearly have holes if neither team can get to double digits, regardless of how good the defenses are. Make then 2/3.

MSU #1 seems more legitimate but the DSUs have won almost every national title for the last 15 years. And we've only beaten them once in the playoffs during that span. Every member of the committee is human and history matters to humans.

"Essentially a draw" is not a thing. A close loss is still a loss and MSU has an FBS win that looks better every week as UNM keeps winning.

I'm just playing devil's (committee's) advocate. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they talk themselves into that line of thinking.

Two weeks ago I was right there with you but after watching MSU play the last two weeks I see the chances of a 12-0 MSU team being seeded #3 as not impossible but very, very, very slim.

I just want to be clear that I don't believe the conclusions I'm outlining in this thread, just putting them out there for people to be prepared for the possibilities. I don't think we're the third best team in the country, I think we're at worst in a 3-way tie for the best team in the country. But the committee has to put the three teams in some kind of order.

[gtapp]

Had SDSU won we would move to 2 since we were almost tied with NDSU in votes. Since SDSU lost we will probably stay 3.

[Bocephus]

A little extra help from University of South Dakota would be appreciated.

[damnyoutuesday]

SDSU didn't look great this game. I expect us at #2

[coloradocat]

I'm not watching the game. Is this two great defenses imposing their wills or two teams that are overrated and playing to a stalemate? And which conclusion will the voters/committee come to?

Two very good defenses (especially SDSU) but both offenses have had costly penalties and missed opportunities for big plays. I have a really hard time seeing the committee seeding the loser of this game #2 if MSU goes 12-0.

In that case the only seeding options for MSU are #1 or #3.

MSU #3: If the winner gets #1 and the loser played them to essentially a draw then clearly they're #2.
MSU #1: The DSUs are even but clearly have holes if neither team can get to double digits, regardless of how good the defenses are. Make then 2/3.

MSU #1 seems more legitimate but the DSUs have won almost every national title for the last 15 years. And we've only beaten them once in the playoffs during that span. Every member of the committee is human and history matters to humans.

The 2 seed is very possible for MSU. The loser of this game will finish 10-2 at best, there's little chance that gets seeded over a 12-0 MSU with an FBS win and presumably wins over highly ranked Idaho, Davis, and the griz.

10-1*

*FBS losses don't count, especially against P4 teams.


MSU definitely deserves to be #2 at worst if we win out but don't underestimate the committee's ability to create the bracket they want. That's all I'm saying.

9-1*

DII wins don't count.

No way in hell SDSU can be ranked higher than a 12-0 MSU team.

They just held the #1 team in the country to 13 points on the road and only lost by 4. We just beat a team we were supposed to beat in a down year for the BSC. There will be a number of STATS voters that will talk themselves into that line of thinking.

[catzz]

Watched the game.
I’d vote:
NDSU
SDSU
Cats

Really I don’t see it any other way. Hope I’m wrong

[BleedingBLue]

I'm not watching the game. Is this two great defenses imposing their wills or two teams that are overrated and playing to a stalemate? And which conclusion will the voters/committee come to?

Two very good defenses (especially SDSU) but both offenses have had costly penalties and missed opportunities for big plays. I have a really hard time seeing the committee seeding the loser of this game #2 if MSU goes 12-0.

In that case the only seeding options for MSU are #1 or #3.

MSU #3: If the winner gets #1 and the loser played them to essentially a draw then clearly they're #2.
MSU #1: The DSUs are even but clearly have holes if neither team can get to double digits, regardless of how good the defenses are. Make then 2/3.

MSU #1 seems more legitimate but the DSUs have won almost every national title for the last 15 years. And we've only beaten them once in the playoffs during that span. Every member of the committee is human and history matters to humans.

The 2 seed is very possible for MSU. The loser of this game will finish 10-2 at best, there's little chance that gets seeded over a 12-0 MSU with an FBS win and presumably wins over highly ranked Idaho, Davis, and the griz.

10-1*

*FBS losses don't count, especially against P4 teams.


MSU definitely deserves to be #2 at worst if we win out but don't underestimate the committee's ability to create the bracket they want. That's all I'm saying.

9-1*

DII wins don't count.

No way in hell SDSU can be ranked higher than a 12-0 MSU team.

They just held the #1 team in the country to 13 points on the road and only lost by 4. We just beat a team we were supposed to beat in a down year for the BSC. There will be a number of STATS voters that will talk themselves into that line of thinking.

I don't mean come Monday. I'm talking Selection Sunday. NDSU winning was the better outcome for the Cats if we go 12-0.

[coloradocat]

If one of the U of Dakotas can beat SDSU we're a lock for #2 if we win out. Or if USD can beat NDSU at home that would probably lock us in to #1. But if the DSUs run the table for the remainder of the season we may need to win every game by 20+ to lock #2 up.

[tetoncat]

If one of the U of Dakotas can beat SDSU we're a lock for #2 if we win out. Or if USD can beat NDSU at home that would probably lock us in to #1. But if the DSUs run the table for the remainder of the season we may need to win every game by 20+ to lock #2 up.

Agree but it is bull. If Big Sky is really #2 conference and you beat the top 3 or 4 teams and go undefeated you should never be lower than 2.

[91catAlum]

Weber trying to make things interesting at Sac. Cut the lead to 10 with 11 minutes to go.

[tetoncat]

Watched the game.
I’d vote:
NDSU
SDSU
Cats

Really I don’t see it any other way. Hope I’m wrong

Why . What did the DSUs show for you to feel they are better than Cats.

[coloradocat]

If one of the U of Dakotas can beat SDSU we're a lock for #2 if we win out. Or if USD can beat NDSU at home that would probably lock us in to #1. But if the DSUs run the table for the remainder of the season we may need to win every game by 20+ to lock #2 up.

Agree but it is bull. If Big Sky is really #2 conference and you beat the top 3 or 4 teams and go undefeated you should never be lower than 2.

Very rational thinking.