Insanity!

[PapaG]

The NCAA has made money off players for far to long, its about time the players can make money of their skill set and talent.

Someone should sue the NCAA for back pay for all the players that were made slave and paid nothing.

Free tuition/room/board and voluntarily playing a game is equivalent to slave??? Please.

Plenty of MSU players including many in-state don’t have full-ride football scholarships, including a few starters.

[91catAlum]

Fwiw, I saw some more on this, and that’s just what one random company said Manning’s NIL valuation is. That’s not what he’s taken in.

Oh I see. I was wondering how they would know the exact amount.

so will NIL make some players not draft early?

Absolutely. And not just football players. Angel Reese, the basketball player at LSU, said she stayed at LSU her senior year because she makes more NIL money than the WNBA would pay her.

[PapaG]

Fwiw, I saw some more on this, and that’s just what one random company said Manning’s NIL valuation is. That’s not what he’s taken in.

Oh I see. I was wondering how they would know the exact amount.

so will NIL make some players not draft early?

Absolutely. And not just football players. Angel Reese, the basketball player at LSU, said she stayed at LSU her senior year because she makes more NIL money than the WNBA would pay her.

I mean, that’s not saying much because the WNBA hardly pays and although she’s a great college player, she doesn’t project as well in the WNBA due to limited skill set outside the paint.

Bo Nix and Michael Penix both made more money this year in college than the NFL and both increased their level of play and draft status.

[91catAlum]

The NCAA has made money off players for far to long, its about time the players can make money of their skill set and talent.

Someone should sue the NCAA for back pay for all the players that were made slave and paid nothing.

Free tuition/room/board and voluntarily playing a game is equivalent to slave??? Please.

Plenty of MSU players including many in-state don’t have full-ride football scholarships, including a few starters.

The slavery reference is still ridiculous. Student Athletes are free to quit sports anytime they want if they don't feel properly compensated. Slavery didn't work that way. It's a ****** horrible analogy that I keep seeing around here.
I know it wasn't yours, I'm just saying.

[allcat]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

[PapaG]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

My bad for misinterpreting. There has to be a correction to the NIL market sooner than later. It’s basically open season right now, but when the wins don’t come or players don’t pan out, the dollar amounts will shrink for all but the top players in P2.

[Cat Grad]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

You're both a couple of dumb f*cks. Did either one of you actually graduate?

[allcat]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

You're both a couple of dumb f*cks. Did either one of you actually graduate?

Off our meds again, are we?

[onceacat]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

My bad for misinterpreting. There has to be a correction to the NIL market sooner than later. It’s basically open season right now, but when the wins don’t come or players don’t pan out, the dollar amounts will shrink for all but the top players in P2.

Yeah, its hard to imagine that boosters are THAT invested in giving massive NIL deals to unproven players.

The most interesting thing to me about the whole thing? The top NIL contracts are almost all children of unbelievably rich athletes already...Shadeur Sanders, Arch Manning (nephew, I guess), Bronny James, Marvin Harrison Jr.

On the other hand, fans have been complaining of top talent declaring for the draft early for years...maybe this balances out the system a little if guys like Sanders & Harrison finish 4 years?

Tough to know how its all gonna play out...

[onceacat]

Yes. I’m sure also about nil being taxable.

Do you think the NCAA collects this info??

I doubt it because to my knowledge there is no NIL limit so nothing to monitor or enforce. I would also speculate that since it’s not being doled out by a public institution, it’s not public record.

It's an interesting question. My guess is the NCAA would love to know, because they'd love to get a piece of that somehow. Or regulate it in the future. I would be willing to bet they have tried to get schools to report on it. Whether the member schools told them to pound sand or not, I don't know.

I have a hard time imagining how the NCAA would even do that...I mean, the whole legal basis for the decision is that if Bronny James wants to sell his image to a video game company or car dealership, he has the right to do it as a college athlete, the exact same way his dad has the exclusive right to his NIL as a pro athlete. You don't lose the rights to sign an endorsement deal just becasue you are in college.

As to the disclosure: We as fans and/or the public have zero right to personal information about anyones income except in very limited circumstances (e.g. politicians are requires to a de minimus level of income disclosure but only in very wide ranges...public employees....top tier C Suite employees of large publicly listed corporations, etc. Remember the controversy over the last 7 years about Donald Trump refusing to disclose not only his total income, but even sources of income from hostile foreign governments, even as President...we have very limited rights as the public to know)

[PapaG]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

You're both a couple of dumb f*cks. Did either one of you actually graduate?

Cousin Eddie is back in town just in time for the holidays.

[PapaG]

Yes. I’m sure also about nil being taxable.

Do you think the NCAA collects this info??

I doubt it because to my knowledge there is no NIL limit so nothing to monitor or enforce. I would also speculate that since it’s not being doled out by a public institution, it’s not public record.

It's an interesting question. My guess is the NCAA would love to know, because they'd love to get a piece of that somehow. Or regulate it in the future. I would be willing to bet they have tried to get schools to report on it. Whether the member schools told them to pound sand or not, I don't know.

I have a hard time imagining how the NCAA would even do that...I mean, the whole legal basis for the decision is that if Bronny James wants to sell his image to a video game company or car dealership, he has the right to do it as a college athlete, the exact same way his dad has the exclusive right to his NIL as a pro athlete. You don't lose the rights to sign an endorsement deal just becasue you are in college.

As to the disclosure: We as fans and/or the public have zero right to personal information about anyones income except in very limited circumstances (e.g. politicians are requires to a de minimus level of income disclosure but only in very wide ranges...public employees....top tier C Suite employees of large publicly listed corporations, etc. Remember the controversy over the last 7 years about Donald Trump refusing to disclose not only his total income, but even sources of income from hostile foreign governments, even as President...we have very limited rights as the public to know)

I think it’s in an NIL collective’s best interest to not publicize individual contracts. You nailed it in that these players aren’t public employees, where contracts/salaries must be reported and available. These are private business contracts between two willing parties, and the public doesn’t have the right to know the details. Even at private schools that are NCAA, coaching and staffing salaries aren’t mandatory to publish.

[allcat]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

You're both a couple of dumb f*cks. Did either one of you actually graduate?

Cousin Eddie is back in town just in time for the holidays.

As far as I can tell you didn't call me anything derogatory, and I don't think I did it to you. So some guy not involved in the discussion took time to disparage both of us. Do you think this is lost brain cells, or just a mean personality that just hates everyone?

[PapaG]

In my mind, I keep saying why do I help fund any of this stuff anymore? I don't have the deep pockets or type of organization that will benefit from donating. That leads me to say that since I have zero say why not let Daddy Warbucks fund it all. If I'm interested I can watch the games I want for 11 bucks a month, during the season. Much of my interest in the game has been killed. I can't see anybody making $100,000 that plays for us, but it all just gives me a bad vibe.

So you only donate when the football team is good, but you won’t donate to keep it good? That’s what I read.

I don't see how you get that. I donated and went to games starting with Hysell. They were mediocre at best. They are now a pretty darn good team and I have gradually lost interest as the product has gotten progressively more expensive along with the success. My interest has really gone down as the sport has become a business. Mostly what I wrote were just random thoughts, because I have always found it hard to express myself in the written. My take on your take is that you read into what you read whatever you want, I don't think what I wrote there even comes close to what you took from it.

You're both a couple of dumb f*cks. Did either one of you actually graduate?

Cousin Eddie is back in town just in time for the holidays.

As far as I can tell you didn't call me anything derogatory, and I don't think I did it to you. So some guy not involved in the discussion took time to disparage both of us. Do you think this is lost brain cells, or just a mean personality that just hates everyone?

I didn’t completely understand your post and posted some simplistic snark.

I’m just content knowing Grampy Grad is around for at least one more holiday season for those who know him irl. Maybe those people even are, too!