Referee Accountability

[tetoncat]

This thread is such a wacko excuse for an 8-4 record. There is no evidence of referee accountability problems.

You must have been one of the few Griz fans that agreed with the TD catch called at Sac State last year and that the number of cameras used for review are sufficient.

[lutecat]

This thread is such a wacko excuse for an 8-4 record. There is no evidence of referee accountability problems.

Look I'm not going to participate in this factual thread but I just want to add.....


.....you know darn well if this the Cats and NDSU playing that game there would be a thread on egris about this with griz in Wa being the most vocal. It wouldn't be 4 pages long however.....it'd be 8 by now. You know this to be true. Can you admit that? Can you admit the chip play penalty was bs? If you can admit that I'll admit that the 2pt conversion was not a penalty. Though I think you could probably stipulate that that's a called penalty 50% or the time. The Bergan td was short. Though I'm sure the griz would punch that in from a half yard. And the announcers called out TWO false starts that were never called. You don't normally hear that. Normally when they say there's movement, there's a flag thrown.

Just wow. I wish you peace, health, ease of mind, and a successful Bobcat season in 2024. Griz fans want the Bobcats to succeed because it’s great for the Big Sky Conference. Unfounded conspiracy theories about FCS officiating are of service to no one and they reflect poorly on Bobcat Nation. May you be well.

Thanks man. Wish you the same.

Nice dodge. Lol. And just point of fact here, griz fans do not wish Bobcats success. That implies they all do. Some do. Many don't
And I have zero problems with it.

I said nothing about a conspiracy theory. I merely discussed some poor calls. That's all. You're trying to create a narrative with me that does not exist.

I had hoped you would pick up on my use of words like stipulate and such and realize I was having some fun with this thread. You're looking for a slight against you. It's little D energy man. Coming here when you should be celebrating.

Let's just set aside that I'm right and you're wrong and let's bet on the game. $50 to the charity of the others choosing. I'll say SDSU -10.5.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This thread is such a wacko excuse for an 8-4 record. There is no evidence of referee accountability problems.

Oh come on.

I don’t believe UM won because of the refs. I don’t think MSU lost any games because of the refs. I think we can all agree that the reffing in general is inconsistent and bad. It’s a large problem without an easy solution.

[Griznationalist]

This thread is such a wacko excuse for an 8-4 record. There is no evidence of referee accountability problems.

Oh come on.

I don’t believe UM won because of the refs. I don’t think MSU lost any games because of the refs. I think we can all agree that the reffing in general is inconsistent and bad. It’s a large problem without an easy solution.

I probably have no disagreement with you, my friend. I was referring to the original post that began this thread, which asserted: “Without question, these referees had their fingers on the scale of this game, whether it was intentional or not. We have no idea how it would have turned out had it been called accurately, but I suspect that the outcome would have been different.”

[aucat]

It's not just FCS. It's bad in FBS too. But think about the old days before we had reviews. The refs had to make a judgement call and I'm sure they made mistakes back then too. You would always accept the results and hope that you at least got 50% of the judgement calls that went your way.

But those who point out the shortage of officials---that is actually a very serious issue on the high school level. Personally, when I attend a basketball game (which I think are VERY difficult to officiate) I try not to berate the officials when I think they make a bad call. They are just human beings out there trying to do the best they can do.

[TomCat88]

This thread is such a wacko excuse for an 8-4 record. There is no evidence of referee accountability problems.

Oh come on.

I don’t believe UM won because of the refs. I don’t think MSU lost any games because of the refs. I think we can all agree that the reffing in general is inconsistent and bad. It’s a large problem without an easy solution.

I probably have no disagreement with you, my friend. I was referring to the original post that began this thread, which asserted: “Without question, these referees had their fingers on the scale of this game, whether it was intentional or not. We have no idea how it would have turned out had it been called accurately, but I suspect that the outcome would have been different.”

And if anyone thinks a fan petition would somehow set up a system for making refs more accountable than they already are (the league grades them every game), they’re nuts. I think it would need to start at the school president level or BOR/Higher Ed level and then onto the ncaa. But I have no idea what they would change.

[WetBreeches]

Interesting article about crowd affect on soccer referees in Europe. Covid provided a unique opportunity to compare games with fans vs no fans. Needless to stay, the researchers found home field fans have an effect on calls.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 922100131X

[nanacat]

Whether people believe the game was rigged or not, you will NEVER convince me that 18-25 year old testosterone filled college football players can play a whole game penalty free. So if the refs don't want their ability or intent questioned, they need to be sure they're calling a game fair. Turning a blind eye to obvious penalties causes speculation and a concern that all was not equal. If the gris had been called for half a many penalties as NDSU would it have changed the outcome? Who knows. I'm not saying the refs "gave" the game away, but at the end of the day, even gris fans should be able to admit something was amiss.

[WalkOn79]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

[Griznationalist]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

There are 133 teams. The fake “referee accountability” issue in Saturday’s semi is not being discussed anywhere but the fan forums of two eliminated teams (NDSU and MSU). Get real.

[BFcatfan]

Serious question, how does it get addressed?

I don't know. I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.

Folks that are on forums complaining about the officiating (not trying to be rude here) picking up a whistle and becoming an official. Every sport has major shortages in officials. Football is hurting the most. The BSC can't suspend a crew because they have 1 back up crew most weeks and that crew would no longer have an off week. There's nobody out there ready to come up to the BSC because there are so few officials everywhere. It's impossible to even be considered for a DI officiating position unless you pay your own money to go to camps and be seen, or know the right people with ins.

Fans and lack of reasonable payment have turned people off to officiating. Varsity football in MT pays $75 a game, yet you are required to attend at least 6 study clubs throughout the year and test your rules knowledge every couple years until you test up to "Master" official. It's not a part time 2 1/2 month job. You have to know the rules inside and out, which means studying on your own time throughtout the year, attending clinics and camps. The typical varsity game requires you arrive to the field roughly 75-90 before game time to go through pre-game, get dressed etc. Officials have to be on the field 30 minutes before the game, and the game takes roughly 2 hours. On a good day you make $25/hr for a varsity game in your town. When a Billings crew travels to Miles City, the 4 guys who didn't drive get about $25 extra for travel. Driver gets the federal milage rate. You leave town at 345, and get home at 1130, and make $100.

The BSC pays $1550 a game, and officials are responsible for their own travel, hotel, and food out of that money. Depending on where an official lives, they net $600-$1000 for a game. They arrive at the field 3 - 3 1/2 hours early, walk the field, do a pregame test and watch warm-ups. They are required to review their game film after each game and maintain their rules knowledge the entire year.

Frontier Conference officials get $250 a game, flat fee. Doesn't matter how far you travel. $250 a game for college football! What a joke.

College football will never have great officiating, especially at the FCS level, unless offcicials are paid a wage comparable to a full time job, and/or more people pick up a whistle and help with the shortage.

Extremely well said…but regardless fans will complain throughout eternity..

[BFcatfan]

It's not just FCS. It's bad in FBS too. But think about the old days before we had reviews. The refs had to make a judgement call and I'm sure they made mistakes back then too. You would always accept the results and hope that you at least got 50% of the judgement calls that went your way.

But those who point out the shortage of officials---that is actually a very serious issue on the high school level. Personally, when I attend a basketball game (which I think are VERY difficult to officiate) I try not to berate the officials when I think they make a bad call. They are just human beings out there trying to do the best they can do.

I’m just going to say some refs are all about themselves and throwing games for their favorite teams,
and as a avid high school sports nut in the 80’s I watched a ref from Great Falls ref a state title basketball game between Bigfork and Conrad and a last minute bullsh** call gave the game and state title to Conrad. It was all over all the news channels through out the state for a week. Go to Conrad someday and ask a local about it… they still talk about it. There was tape to prove it and another one in a state playoff football game in overtime with Bigfork and Havre in 2003. Tape to prove it… so if it happens in high
School so blatantly obvious I’m sure it happens in the FCS also.

[rivercat]

It's not just FCS. It's bad in FBS too. But think about the old days before we had reviews. The refs had to make a judgement call and I'm sure they made mistakes back then too. You would always accept the results and hope that you at least got 50% of the judgement calls that went your way.

But those who point out the shortage of officials---that is actually a very serious issue on the high school level. Personally, when I attend a basketball game (which I think are VERY difficult to officiate) I try not to berate the officials when I think they make a bad call. They are just human beings out there trying to do the best they can do.

I’m just going to say some refs are all about themselves and throwing games for their favorite teams,
and as a avid high school sports nut in the 80’s I watched a ref from Great Falls ref a state title basketball game between Bigfork and Conrad and a last minute bullsh** call gave the game and state title to Conrad. It was all over all the news channels through out the state for a week. Go to Conrad someday and ask a local about it… they still talk about it. There was tape to prove it and another one in a state playoff football game in overtime with Bigfork and Havre in 2003. Tape to prove it… so if it happens in high
School so blatantly obvious I’m sure it happens in the FCS also.

That was a great game. Bigfork was loaded and heavily favored. Kind of a "Hoosiers" game with Conrad winning. I honestly don't remember the call your referring to but I was a high school kid from the area without a rooting interest.

[BFcatfan]

I bet this thread doesn’t exist if the Cats swapped places with the Griz and win last night. Lots of threads and posters trying to solidify our ‘little brother’ status lately.

Yup.

It would take place - just on egris instead of bobcatnation

Exactly..enough said

[Clinton T]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

I guess I was either seeing things or know nothing about the rules (which is entirely possible)...I did not see the refs having much of an impact on the game. NDSU certainly deserved every penalty they received and the gris played a pretty clean game. Am I missing something?

[tetoncat]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

I guess I was either seeing things or know nothing about the rules (which is entirely possible)...I did not see the refs having much of an impact on the game. NDSU certainly deserved every penalty they received and the gris played a pretty clean game. Am I missing something?

I don't think they deserved the offensive PI that cost them a scoring chance.

[lutecat]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

I guess I was either seeing things or know nothing about the rules (which is entirely possible)...I did not see the refs having much of an impact on the game. NDSU certainly deserved every penalty they received and the gris played a pretty clean game. Am I missing something?

Did you catch the two false starts the announcers called but were not called? That for one. Or two. I'm not really going say the outcome would've changed. And people make mistakes. I'm not going to come down hard on reffing. I just want gn to acknowledge his beloved team wasn't perfect and there were some no calls.

[catsack]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.

What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?

Are you living under a rock? Every fan base is talking about it except the Griz.

I guess I was either seeing things or know nothing about the rules (which is entirely possible)...I did not see the refs having much of an impact on the game. NDSU certainly deserved every penalty they received and the gris played a pretty clean game. Am I missing something?

I don't think they deserved the offensive PI that cost them a scoring chance.

That was a good call definitely a pick play rewatch it! NDSU was lined up in the neutral zone on a the fourth down play the Griz got the first but no flag was thrown!

[Dbrewmsu]

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.

Haha that's funny you think they have no complaints. What basement world are you living in?

[Dbrewmsu]

So … the only people complaining about the officiating in yesterday’s Griz win are … fans of the losing team (NDSU) … and Bobcat fans. There’s no statement by the conference. There’s no statement by the schools. There’s just a lot of complaints from fans who don’t like the Griz or ESPN’s declaration of UM’s stadium as the Mecca of FCS football. This thread is hardly an objective or accurate critique of FCS officiating.

Hahaha when is the last time you saw a school or conference put out a 'statement' complaining about refs? A conference? Do you watch football? Gris fans. Uneducated