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[SparkCat]

Sounds like Gevani is hoping to UIW. Thought he’d be going to another FBS.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

[Cataholic]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

[Hi-Line Bobcat]

With limited NIL money at this level, why spend on someone who can’t throw the ball or play in the trenches?

Anyone hear how much he actually received? I have a hard time believing it was in excess of $10,000 to $15,000 at the FCS level. I am guessing it was complimentary vehicle usage with free lodging and maybe some cash. If it was significant money, how do other players react on the team? There is limited money so whatever one guy is allocated affects all the others.

I always wonder if these athletes that are receiving “free” stuff have an accountant in the back of their ear telling them that they will pay tax at the end of the year on the “free” stuff they are getting. I have a feeling this will become an issue in the years coming because the IRS always looks for low hanging fruit and this is about as low as it gets. 18-23 year olds receiving stuff they think is free, what could go wrong? If it was me I would only want cash so I have it in the bank to pay the man at the end of the rainbow.

[MSU01]

Bobby must be excited that the Griz just got a big-time transfer QB from USC who has racked up the following stats in three years there: 2 rushing attempts for 0 total yards and 0 YPC, passing stats of 0-0, 0 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INT.

[Cats15]

Bobby must be excited that the Griz just got a big-time transfer QB from USC who has racked up the following stats in three years there: 2 rushing attempts for 0 total yards, passing stats of 0-0, 0 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INT.

0 INT's, that is a great stat! We are screwed!

[jgrilley406]

Just saw that players that go the JUCO route will retain all four years once they transfer…guessing you’ll see a lot more players go that route right out of high school to get game experience.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

[VimSince03]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

Covid is over, but now we’re going to deal with Juco not counting towards eligibility. That’s going to hurt HS recruits. I very much hate it.

[VimSince03]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

Covid is over, but now we’re going to deal with Juco not counting towards eligibility. That’s going to hurt HS recruits. I very much hate it.

Oh yeah I just read that this morning. Unreal. We used to think it was unique when someone went to college and played sports for 7 years. Now there may be a reality where that's the norm!

[Cataholic]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

Exactly! And it would seem that MSU has done a much better job of building a transparent player centered culture.

[Cataholic]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

Ah Yat was hurt and Fife was in the dog house. If Fife was hurt during that time, it seems that Huot was much closer to taking a snap than Duchien was.

As for the rest, you seem to agree with pretty much everything else I posted. You say MSU would deal with the these specific portal issues, but MSU’s approach to the portal is dramatically different that UM. And MSU’s culture and handling has is completely different than UM as well.

[coloradocat]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

Covid is over, but now we’re going to deal with Juco not counting towards eligibility. That’s going to hurt HS recruits. I very much hate it.

Oh yeah I just read that this morning. Unreal. We used to think it was unique when someone went to college and played sports for 7 years. Now there may be a reality where that's the norm!

"You know a lot of people go to college for 7 years."

"I know, they're called student-athletes."

[Montanabob]

"You know a lot of people go to college for 7 years."

"I know, they're called student-athletes."

now i was always told there were several degree types:
1 year - DR M.R.S
4 year - liberal arts
5 year - engineering/technical
10 year - professional students

new category?
1-15 years professional student athlete. No degee expected.
Will the new lawsuit drop the annual progress/full load requiremnts next?

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

Just saw that players that go the JUCO route will retain all four years once they transfer…guessing you’ll see a lot more players go that route right out of high school to get game experience.

This is terrible. You are more penalizing kids for going to a 4yr school. I dislike this all the way through.

[4KornerKat]

Just saw that players that go the JUCO route will retain all four years once they transfer…guessing you’ll see a lot more players go that route right out of high school to get game experience.

This is terrible. You are more penalizing kids for going to a 4yr school. I dislike this all the way through.

I could see a two for one type system making sense, where 2 years at JUCO counted as one year of eligibility, or maybe have 1 year at JUCO count as your redshirt year. Might be some sort of happy medium to keep kids around that 5 year total?

[coloradocat]

Just saw that players that go the JUCO route will retain all four years once they transfer…guessing you’ll see a lot more players go that route right out of high school to get game experience.

This is terrible. You are more penalizing kids for going to a 4yr school. I dislike this all the way through.

Sorry, Pavia beat Bama, gotta give him what he wants.

[tetoncat]

Looks like the Griz have been offering a LOT of players. I get it, I think that is their only option to try to get back to being relevant in 2025. Tough route to go though. No doubt they'll be able to sign some talent, but what will you end up with in terms of an overall team that meshes well, has the right attitude with no selfish players, sticks together and all play complimentary football with all three phases, etc.? It's a tall order to go super heavy on the transfers and put together a championship caliber team.

What a crazy short term approach. Quick fix at the cost of developing long term players. And it further alienates the current players from the coaching staff. If they bring in a QB, I can’t imagine Huot staying. And how does a new RB in the room affect the usage of Gilman and the attitudes of backup RB’s that just saw Gilman get paid?

Yeah, their HS recruiting is now causing them to have to add a lot of transfers, which isn’t good long term.

I don’t get a lot of what you’re saying though? Bringing in a QB doesn’t change anything for a guy like Huot. And if he leaves because of it, I don’t think that worries a team. We just brought in 2 HS recruits and are looking at transfers, are we worried about Duchien leaving? At the end of the day, it’s a negligible effect. And nothing has changed with Gillman. He got paid for this season too, just like a lot of our guys did. I think they all realize the better your results/popularity, the more you get paid. I’m just saying recruiting over players and the like isn’t anything that any university, including MSU, doesn’t do.

A lot of player’s reactions will go hand in hand with team culture. We have leadership from guys like Tommy and Grebe and Ortt. You hear Jones talk about the brotherhood. There is a significant difference between what MSU has developed and what UM has. The recruiting approach to focus on portal guys will only add to those issues.

As for Huot, he was one injury away from playing multiple times this season. Duchien was actually fourth on our list this season. You actually said Duchien will never take a snap at QB at MSU. Seems like a stretch to compare those two. Maybe the coaches don’t think Huot is good enough to play. I guess them bringing in a transfer just emphasizes that point.

Regardless, my comment was really directed at the issues that relying on the portal will create with team unity and culture. I guarantee the younger guys will feel under appreciated and question their status on the team. It is spiral effect that coaches who rely on the portal will face every year. MSU has place a high priority on development. Not so much at UM.

As for the portal, I guarantee that guys see what others are making. If Joe Stud is driving a Mercedes, and Joe Blow is having a hard time paying rent, there is going to be resentment. It is human nature. Assuming a Gris lineman for has a $50,000 offer with a Mountain West team and he is told that there is no NIL money left for him after Gilman gets a payday, what do you think he will do? It is a strange day of new scenarios that all teams are facing. I have no idea what Gilman was paid, but I am curious to see what it was.

Huot was the 3rd string, we think. Duchien 4th for us. I don't see a large distinction between them or their role on either team.

I agree that UM over relies on the portal. With that said, every team is going to be bringing in transfers and internally having to deal with it. In some ways, MSU coaches have a difficult time too, because most of the transfers they bring in are likely starters. I'm sure the guys below them on the depth chart don't love it either, even if they understand it.

I think your last hypothetical is going to be the same for every college team. Unfortunately at this level, there's just no way that every player can get paid what they could potentially make elsewhere. So yeah, there could/likely will be resentment, but I don't think UM is going to see that any more than we would here. Of course, winning cures all. If the team continues to win, at a high level, players won't complain as much. Start losing, and they start complaining about any possible slight. Just human nature.

I think eventually its just going to all wash out and those that recruit good high school players and develop them will continue to win. The COVID year has also pushed a lot of these issues forward as players got additional years. That will be done now after this year and the FBS will have a roster cap. The pool of transfer players will turn into a list so large that many won't find a good home and a correction will begin to happen. The Gilman scenario will continue to be a thing but strong and transparent cultures should cool those resentment problems. Completely agree on the human nature side of this but in the end its going to take coaches to explain realities of FCS football and you go from there. At the end of the day, good recruiting and development have always won out over everything and the teams that do that the best will continue to be playing in December.

Couple examples. Jones brought into deep TE room but 3 main returnees all have played and impacted more this year along with him being a star. Davis brought to RB room last year, star but all RB stayed and room improved.

[AFCAT]

Sheesh! Jordan Dwyer cleaning up on the offers.