BIG SKY FOOTBALL ALL CONFERENCE SELECTIONS

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:12 pm

Calm down everyone. Yeah, we deserved to have a couple more Cats on 1st team, but I bet if you ask our players, to a man they would tell you they would rather be playing this Saturday at home in the playoffs rather than complain about who was or wasn't selected to all Big Sky. We got a pretty big gift from the playoff selection committee. As the old adage goes, "Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth."

BigSkyCat · Post by **BigSkyCat** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:55 pm

How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:08 am

1BadBobcat wrote:Calm down everyone. Yeah, we deserved to have a couple more Cats on 1st team, but I bet if you ask our players, to a man they would tell you they would rather be playing this Saturday at home in the playoffs rather than complain about who was or wasn't selected to all Big Sky. We got a pretty big gift from the playoff selection committee. As the old adage goes, "Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth."

How did "we" get a gift? MSU deserved this game based on their end of the season record, their 1-A win (BTW - CU beat Texas Tech by 24 while Texas barely beat Texas Tech), and pulling in 13k a home game this season.

Pretty much the exact same criteria that excluded MSU from the play-offs last year included them this year. The only missing part was the Big Sky Champiionship banner that will fly from last season in Bozeman. Would you take that over a play-off game?

As for complaining, if the fans won't stick up for the slighted players, who will? I should hope they want to take out some frustration on Furman this weekend. In the meantime, I'll call BS on the exclusion of some very good football players from the All-Big Sky teams.

End O' Rant

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:21 am

PapaG wrote:
1BadBobcat wrote:Calm down everyone. Yeah, we deserved to have a couple more Cats on 1st team, but I bet if you ask our players, to a man they would tell you they would rather be playing this Saturday at home in the playoffs rather than complain about who was or wasn't selected to all Big Sky. We got a pretty big gift from the playoff selection committee. As the old adage goes, "Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth."
How did "we" get a gift? MSU deserved this game based on their end of the season record, their 1-A win (BTW - CU beat Texas Tech by 24 while Texas barely beat Texas Tech), and pulling in 13k a home game this season.

Pretty much the exact same criteria that excluded MSU from the play-offs last year included them this year. The only missing part was the Big Sky Champiionship banner that will fly from last season in Bozeman. Would you take that over a play-off game?

As for complaining, if the fans won't stick up for the slighted players, who will? I should hope they want to take out some frustration on Furman this weekend. In the meantime, I'll call BS on the exclusion of some very good football players from the All-Big Sky teams.

End O' Rant

We are one the first 7-4 teams to earn an at-large bid to playoffs in 11 years. Typically 7-4 doesn't go - period. We were the last team selected into the field of 16. We actually finished outside the top 16 in the final season ending Sports Network poll. We are hosting a storied 1-AA program, with a better record than us, who has to travel cross-country to play us when the 1-AA (excuse me, FCS) had said they were trying to create regional match-ups. If you would have asked Bobcat fans if we would have gotten to host this game, honestly 80-90 percent of them would have said we would be in the playoffs but not hosting. I absolutely love the fact we are hosting! But I am reasonable as well. If PSU had got in and then got to host, most of us here would be bitchin' till we were hoarse.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:24 am

By the way, when I talked about getting a gift, it wasn't about us getting into the playoffs, it was about us getting the chance to host the game. You tell me honestly - when they announced the pairings, were you expecting them to let us host? Kudos if you were, because I wasn't expecting it.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:31 am

1BadBobcat wrote:By the way, when I talked about getting a gift, it wasn't about us getting into the playoffs, it was about us getting the chance to host the game. You tell me honestly - when they announced the pairings, were you expecting them to let us host? Kudos if you were, because I wasn't expecting it.

No, I wasn't expecting a home game, but based on the criteria, I understand we earned that bid.

The rules are the rules, and if the rules include $$$ for a non-seeded home game, this isn't a "gift". It's legit, just as the MSU bid to the playoffs is.

By the by, which non 4-loss team do you feel should be in the playoffs over MSU?

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:15 am

BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.

BigSkyCat · Post by **BigSkyCat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:25 am

Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.

As Swogger how he felt after the hit. I thought it was a better example of how poor the supposed first team OL was basically lost and not blocking anyone. Every Griz fan I know says this was their biggest weakness and worst line in at least 15 years.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:54 am

My biggest gripe is how do the griz place 13 guys on Defense when you total up the 3 teams. You can't tell me their backups are better than 1st stringers on even the worst teams in the conference.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:07 pm

Seeing Swogger as second team QB really surprised me. He didn't impress me at all as compared to BSC QBs of the past. But looking down the list of QBs in the conference this year, I can understand his selection.

It simply was not a great year for the BSC in terms of efficient and impressive QB play.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:15 pm

tetoncat wrote:My biggest gripe is how do the griz place 13 guys on Defense when you total up the 3 teams. You can't tell me their backups are better than 1st stringers on even the worst teams in the conference.

Oh I don't know about that. I think that both UM and MSU had many second string players that were better than the first stringers on other BSC teams. But I don't think UM had better second string players than MSU had starters on defense.

I don't think the coaches alone should be picking these teams. They should get the staff at the BSC office and the beat writers from the hometown of each school to weigh in. They should also have the teams prepare a brief bio on each player they think should be considered, so that everyone has something to off of besides their recollection of the game. According to the coaches UM has the two best safeties in the league and sophomore Colt Anderson is better than senior Ryan Force. I don't think that would've been the case had a better cross section of voters been used. Nothing against Colt, but if we were choosing teams in the sandlot and I have to pick a safety, I'd be taking Force ahead of him.

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:35 pm

BigSkyCat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.
As Swogger how he felt after the hit. I thought it was a better example of how poor the supposed first team OL was basically lost and not blocking anyone. Every Griz fan I know says this was their biggest weakness and worst line in at least 15 years.

This is just an example of sour grapes on your part. This isn't about Swogger or our OLine, this is about Daly not being named to the first team. How many Griz games did you watch? Are you aware of the injuries and youth on our OLine? How qualified are you or your "Griz fan" friends to judge the play of the OLine?

I have no problem saying the OLine was the weakest link in the chain this year, but they have made incredible strides and you cannot go undefeated in the Big Sky with "the worst line in 15 years". I explained all this in detail earlier, but any unit should not be awarded the all conference award. It recognized two individuals as having the best season in comparison to their peers. It had nothing to do with fans beliefs who is the best because of how many yards the produced or how many sacks they gave up. Do you really watch OLine play? In the picture, what blocking scheme was being called? Where did Daly come from? Be pissed that Daly didn't make the team, but don't downgrade the play of others in your poor attempt to make your point.

Besides, just be glad you guys made it to the playoffs because I'm not sure if you saw, but we only lose 9 players this year. Next year, if injuries are not a factor, we will have the best OLine in the Big Sky, plus we get Hillard back. Be glad that "one of the worst Olines in 15 years" and without Hillard was who you faced this year.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:59 pm

Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.
As Swogger how he felt after the hit. I thought it was a better example of how poor the supposed first team OL was basically lost and not blocking anyone. Every Griz fan I know says this was their biggest weakness and worst line in at least 15 years.
This is just an example of sour grapes on your part. This isn't about Swogger or our OLine, this is about Daly not being named to the first team. How many Griz games did you watch? Are you aware of the injuries and youth on our OLine? How qualified are you or your "Griz fan" friends to judge the play of the OLine?

I have no problem saying the OLine was the weakest link in the chain this year, but they have made incredible strides and you cannot go undefeated in the Big Sky with "the worst line in 15 years". I explained all this in detail earlier, but any unit should not be awarded the all conference award. It recognized two individuals as having the best season in comparison to their peers. It had nothing to do with fans beliefs who is the best because of how many yards the produced or how many sacks they gave up. Do you really watch OLine play? In the picture, what blocking scheme was being called? Where did Daly come from? Be pissed that Daly didn't make the team, but don't downgrade the play of others in your poor attempt to make your point.

Besides, just be glad you guys made it to the playoffs because I'm not sure if you saw, but we only lose 9 players this year. Next year, if injuries are not a factor, we will have the best OLine in the Big Sky, plus we get Hillard back. Be glad that "one of the worst Olines in 15 years" and without Hillard was who you faced this year.

We only lose 6 starters

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:03 pm

Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.
As Swogger how he felt after the hit. I thought it was a better example of how poor the supposed first team OL was basically lost and not blocking anyone. Every Griz fan I know says this was their biggest weakness and worst line in at least 15 years.
This is just an example of sour grapes on your part. This isn't about Swogger or our OLine, this is about Daly not being named to the first team. How many Griz games did you watch? Are you aware of the injuries and youth on our OLine? How qualified are you or your "Griz fan" friends to judge the play of the OLine?

I have no problem saying the OLine was the weakest link in the chain this year, but they have made incredible strides and you cannot go undefeated in the Big Sky with "the worst line in 15 years". I explained all this in detail earlier, but any unit should not be awarded the all conference award. It recognized two individuals as having the best season in comparison to their peers. It had nothing to do with fans beliefs who is the best because of how many yards the produced or how many sacks they gave up. Do you really watch OLine play? In the picture, what blocking scheme was being called? Where did Daly come from? Be pissed that Daly didn't make the team, but don't downgrade the play of others in your poor attempt to make your point.

Besides, just be glad you guys made it to the playoffs because I'm not sure if you saw, but we only lose 9 players this year. Next year, if injuries are not a factor, we will have the best OLine in the Big Sky, plus we get Hillard back. Be glad that "one of the worst Olines in 15 years" and without Hillard was who you faced this year.

if i am not mistaken you are getting back a hillard after a knee break. face it he is not going to be the player he once was

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:07 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
BigSkyCat wrote:How good do Swogger and the O-Line look on this play versus our "Honorable Mention LB"???

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatgalle ... 6.JPG.html

Daly is a great young LB, and if he plays as well next as he did this year, I betting he gets to be 1st team. Yet, unless I'm missing something the picture you picked is of him hitting Swogger after the ball is gone. Not that Daly wasn't capable of getting to Swogger, just that this seems to be a poor example.
As Swogger how he felt after the hit. I thought it was a better example of how poor the supposed first team OL was basically lost and not blocking anyone. Every Griz fan I know says this was their biggest weakness and worst line in at least 15 years.
This is just an example of sour grapes on your part. This isn't about Swogger or our OLine, this is about Daly not being named to the first team. How many Griz games did you watch? Are you aware of the injuries and youth on our OLine? How qualified are you or your "Griz fan" friends to judge the play of the OLine?

I have no problem saying the OLine was the weakest link in the chain this year, but they have made incredible strides and you cannot go undefeated in the Big Sky with "the worst line in 15 years". I explained all this in detail earlier, but any unit should not be awarded the all conference award. It recognized two individuals as having the best season in comparison to their peers. It had nothing to do with fans beliefs who is the best because of how many yards the produced or how many sacks they gave up. Do you really watch OLine play? In the picture, what blocking scheme was being called? Where did Daly come from? Be pissed that Daly didn't make the team, but don't downgrade the play of others in your poor attempt to make your point.

Besides, just be glad you guys made it to the playoffs because I'm not sure if you saw, but we only lose 9 players this year. Next year, if injuries are not a factor, we will have the best OLine in the Big Sky, plus we get Hillard back. Be glad that "one of the worst Olines in 15 years" and without Hillard was who you faced this year.
if i am not mistaken you are getting back a hillard after a knee break. face it he is not going to be the player he once was

It was an achilles tendon injury. Everything I've seen regarding that type of injury is that he will be back 100%.

But BozoneCat knows those things better than most of us on this board.

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:07 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:if i am not mistaken you are getting back a hillard after a knee break. face it he is not going to be the player he once was

Actually I think it was an Achilles tendon injury......just as bad though. Really sucks for him.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:09 pm

i know i just couldnt spell the type of tear so i decided to call it a knee break

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:10 pm

tampa_griz wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:if i am not mistaken you are getting back a hillard after a knee break. face it he is not going to be the player he once was

Actually I think it was an Achilles tendon injury......just as bad though. Really sucks for him.

The achilles may actually be even worse than a knee injury ... I hate to see anybody suffer one of those injuries. I strained mine once (but didn't tear it), and I couldn't do much of anything for months. And it took a really long time before I was confident about going full speed.

I hope Lex is able to recover fully from it and take a shot at pro ball, but it will be an uphill battle. Hells may well be right.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:11 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:i know i just couldnt spell the type of tear so i decided to call it a knee break

It's in the ankle area.

tampa_griz · Post by **tampa_griz** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:13 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:The achilles may actually be even worse than a knee injury ... I hate to see anybody suffer one of those injuries. I strained mine once (but didn't tear it), and I couldn't do much of anything for months. And it took a really long time before I was confident about going full speed.

I hope Lex is able to recover fully from it and take a shot at pro ball, but it will be an uphill battle. Hells may well be right.

Count me in as well. Would love to see a born and bred Montanan tear up the pros. I guess we'll just have to see? Is Rolo going to play on Saturday?