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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Prodigal Cat » Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:36 pm

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Tackling is key, but most of the missed tackles are due to alignment and leverage mistakes.
The leverage in the first matchup was one of poorer performances by the Cats. This came up before but on the long Gilman TD, Brott blew his lineman up and got into the back field, should have had the TFL but got his face mask pushed around. That wasn't the error on that play. The outside DB saw Gilman get pushed back and pursued. He actually over pursued and gave up the edge. If he stayed on the outside Gilman gets pushed back to Brott or the LB. There were lots of those types of errors. Not exactly missed tackles but poor alignment and leverage like you said. It's the main reason why I think the gris offense will not be as successful as it was a month ago.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Cledus » Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:40 pm

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The first contact and tackling looked to be a glaring weakness in the first Cat-gris. Clean that up and like MrGoodKat says; it's a much better day.
First guy there wraps up the legs, and everyone after that can try to strip the ball carrier or receiver. I don't know why that's not standard.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by iaafan » Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:45 pm

Other than King’s drop (sun in his eyes?), the false start on first drive inside the five and first drive of the second half, the offense was nearly flawless. I think we score before the half if we have more time. Probably get 7 instead of 3 on first drive and score even without the pick-6. We averaged almost 7 yards a play. We could’ve easily had 38/41 points that game.

As it was the 31 points we scored was the most in Missoula since 1984.



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by cats2506 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:36 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:36 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:11 pm
Tackling is key, but most of the missed tackles are due to alignment and leverage mistakes.
The leverage in the first matchup was one of poorer performances by the Cats. This came up before but on the long Gilman TD, Brott blew his lineman up and got into the back field, should have had the TFL but got his face mask pushed around. That wasn't the error on that play. The outside DB saw Gilman get pushed back and pursued. He actually over pursued and gave up the edge. If he stayed on the outside Gilman gets pushed back to Brott or the LB. There were lots of those types of errors. Not exactly missed tackles but poor alignment and leverage like you said. It's the main reason why I think the gris offense will not be as successful as it was a month ago.
We saw it happen several times in the game. This play is exactly what I was talking about though.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Prodigal Cat » Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:57 pm

cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:36 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:36 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:11 pm
Tackling is key, but most of the missed tackles are due to alignment and leverage mistakes.
The leverage in the first matchup was one of poorer performances by the Cats. This came up before but on the long Gilman TD, Brott blew his lineman up and got into the back field, should have had the TFL but got his face mask pushed around. That wasn't the error on that play. The outside DB saw Gilman get pushed back and pursued. He actually over pursued and gave up the edge. If he stayed on the outside Gilman gets pushed back to Brott or the LB. There were lots of those types of errors. Not exactly missed tackles but poor alignment and leverage like you said. It's the main reason why I think the gris offense will not be as successful as it was a month ago.
We saw it happen several times in the game. This play is exactly what I was talking about though.


For those that want to see it again. It should start right at that play.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Monymony » Wed Dec 17, 2025 4:37 pm

13 mph winds with 28 mph gusts on Saturday. I don’t mind this



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:28 pm

Monymony wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 4:37 pm
13 mph winds with 28 mph gusts on Saturday. I don’t mind this
The wind in Helena is horrendous. Gusts reaching 80 mph. Trees blown over all over town. One on the street I take to my home. It wasn't there when I left but it was on the way back (Oakes btwn Winne and Jerome). One down on Broadway near Rodney, two down on 11th (one near downtown, the other near Montana Ave), light pole down on Neill near Last Chance. Power out all over sporadically. Dogs getting lost :( and scared.

I hear the ridge at Bridger Bowl is 100 mph winds and the camera up there is dead.

Businesses closing all over town.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Cledus » Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:32 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:28 pm
Monymony wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 4:37 pm
13 mph winds with 28 mph gusts on Saturday. I don’t mind this
The wind in Helena is horrendous. Gusts reaching 80 mph. Trees blown over all over town. One on the street I take to my home. It wasn't there when I left but it was on the way back (Oakes btwn Winne and Jerome). One down on Broadway near Rodney, two down on 11th (one near downtown, the other near Montana Ave), light pole down on Neill near Last Chance. Power out all over sporadically. Dogs getting lost :( and scared.

I hear the ridge at Bridger Bowl is 100 mph winds and the camera up there is dead.
It's currently like a hurricane in East Billings. I've had flickering lights and brown outs at various points today, and lost my internets for a spell.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by catgrad05 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:53 pm

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It was pretty evident the first game that the Griz knew they were overmatched with their o-line. They did a nice job of working around it, largely by running a horizontal offense. Sweeps, misdirection, and spitting the ball out to the first read outside. I assume the Cats will be coached up hard about eye discipline this week on the horizontal stuff. I fully expect montana to try to get more explosive vertically in this game, especially early on.
I think the Cats are going to work really hard to create extra gaps in the run game, using multiple TEs and shifts to give them more gaps to defend/ guess on in the run game. And they will certainly be hunting some vertical explosives of their own. Lamson was very efficient in Missoula, surgical almost, but there were 3-4 just huge explosive pass plays that were schemed open and missed, including one on the last drive that would have killed this "3 point game, lucky to win" narrative.
Bottom line is that the Griz are not equipped to win a 4 quarter, back and forth battle with us. Their path to winning is to jump ahead and stay ahead, get us feeling the pressure of a restless home crowd and make us one-dimensional. So i expect shot plays early, trick plays, their best stuff on special teams, etc. Conversely if we can get them down early the opportunity to just boat race them, because of the crowd, starts to get real.
If all this mess about the Griz defense being different with Loud back is true (and I don’t think it is), the Cats should go heavy and neutralize that advantage. I really like your suggestion of multiple TE sets. Run duo off that to get rid of their run blitzes, and the Cats roll, stud CB or not

Would love to see the diamond formation come back this weekend. Bobby would probably pee his pants



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Catsrgrood » Wed Dec 17, 2025 6:10 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:57 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:36 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:36 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:11 pm
Tackling is key, but most of the missed tackles are due to alignment and leverage mistakes.
The leverage in the first matchup was one of poorer performances by the Cats. This came up before but on the long Gilman TD, Brott blew his lineman up and got into the back field, should have had the TFL but got his face mask pushed around. That wasn't the error on that play. The outside DB saw Gilman get pushed back and pursued. He actually over pursued and gave up the edge. If he stayed on the outside Gilman gets pushed back to Brott or the LB. There were lots of those types of errors. Not exactly missed tackles but poor alignment and leverage like you said. It's the main reason why I think the gris offense will not be as successful as it was a month ago.
We saw it happen several times in the game. This play is exactly what I was talking about though.


For those that want to see it again. It should start right at that play.
Anyone notice the gesture as Gillman crossed the goal line?

I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, but just funny to see the exact same thing that was flagged in our most recent game that a select few were in an uproar about. But on this play it was literally a non issue (as it should be).



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by Prodigal Cat » Wed Dec 17, 2025 6:57 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 5:28 pm
Monymony wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 4:37 pm
13 mph winds with 28 mph gusts on Saturday. I don’t mind this
The wind in Helena is horrendous. Gusts reaching 80 mph. Trees blown over all over town. One on the street I take to my home. It wasn't there when I left but it was on the way back (Oakes btwn Winne and Jerome). One down on Broadway near Rodney, two down on 11th (one near downtown, the other near Montana Ave), light pole down on Neill near Last Chance. Power out all over sporadically. Dogs getting lost :( and scared.

I hear the ridge at Bridger Bowl is 100 mph winds and the camera up there is dead.

Businesses closing all over town.
Came home to a tree down that smacked my house. Looks like just some shingles and pieces of siding to fix but still sucks.


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Re: To change or not to change

Post by catzz » Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:29 pm

Catsrgrood wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 6:10 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:57 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:36 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:36 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 1:11 pm
Tackling is key, but most of the missed tackles are due to alignment and leverage mistakes.
The leverage in the first matchup was one of poorer performances by the Cats. This came up before but on the long Gilman TD, Brott blew his lineman up and got into the back field, should have had the TFL but got his face mask pushed around. That wasn't the error on that play. The outside DB saw Gilman get pushed back and pursued. He actually over pursued and gave up the edge. If he stayed on the outside Gilman gets pushed back to Brott or the LB. There were lots of those types of errors. Not exactly missed tackles but poor alignment and leverage like you said. It's the main reason why I think the gris offense will not be as successful as it was a month ago.
We saw it happen several times in the game. This play is exactly what I was talking about though.


For those that want to see it again. It should start right at that play.
Anyone notice the gesture as Gillman crossed the goal line?

I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, but just funny to see the exact same thing that was flagged in our most recent game that a select few were in an uproar about. But on this play it was literally a non issue (as it should be).
Agreed. Isn’t a big deal. Gillman also does that Little Rascals wave after good plays. Not a big deal but it points to my thinking the peace sign Juice did was harmless.



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by jgrilley406 » Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:37 pm

the only reason Davis got flagged is that he starred at the opponent while doing…it was a pretty weak taunting call but I believe if he would’ve done one or the other it would’ve been fine by the refs but the fact he did both they obviously felt it was over the top. As far as griz fans talking about taunting, the griz defensive players even the coaches kid would drive their face masks into opposing players face masks yelling at them well after the pile was clear. To me that kind of stuff is more warrant of flags than what Davis did.



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by iaafan » Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:47 pm

jgrilley406 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:37 pm
the only reason Davis got flagged is that he starred at the opponent while doing…it was a pretty weak taunting call but I believe if he would’ve done one or the other it would’ve been fine by the refs but the fact he did both they obviously felt it was over the top. As far as griz fans talking about taunting, the griz defensive players even the coaches kid would drive their face masks into opposing players face masks yelling at them well after the pile was clear. To me that kind of stuff is more warrant of flags than what Davis did.
I haven’t heard one Gris fan or any of the media say anything about the facemask by Gillman. Pretty despicable.



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Re: To change or not to change

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Wed Dec 17, 2025 9:13 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:47 pm
jgrilley406 wrote:
Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:37 pm
the only reason Davis got flagged is that he starred at the opponent while doing…it was a pretty weak taunting call but I believe if he would’ve done one or the other it would’ve been fine by the refs but the fact he did both they obviously felt it was over the top. As far as griz fans talking about taunting, the griz defensive players even the coaches kid would drive their face masks into opposing players face masks yelling at them well after the pile was clear. To me that kind of stuff is more warrant of flags than what Davis did.
I haven’t heard one Gris fan or any of the media say anything about the facemask by Gillman. Pretty despicable.
Rainey talked about it shortly after the game.



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