Covid hits MSU athletes

[LTown Cat]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

A lot of the data seems like maybe some of the hot spots are plateauing or have seen the worst...fingers crossed!

[91catAlum]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

They didn't "learn more about it" the next day. They clarified their statement. This is from the article you posted:

There are some infected people who are “truly asymptomatic,” she said, but countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are “not finding secondary transmission onward” from those cases. “It’s very rare,” she said.

It also differentiates between "asymptomatic" and "presymptomatic". Presymptomatic people can spread the disease readily.

[Cledus]

How sterile are these masks? Where is the protective packaging? How many people have put their grimy hands all over these masks without washing their hands after taking a dump?

Have you heard of washing machines?

Nope

How about sinks, at which one can wash one's hands after touching something that could be dirty.

Nope.

I usually only wash my hands after I take a dump and get sh|t on my hands, which is about three times per week at most. Sometimes four.

In all seriousness, you know that most people who buy those masks probably aren't going home and washing them. And I don't think a washing machine generates enough heat to kill the virus, which is why I put my masks in a paper bag and then bake them in the oven for 30 minutes, which is PROVEN to actually work. I'm all for masks if this virus had even a stitch congruence with how it was packaged and sold to us, e.g. The Stand.

[iaafan]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

Did you read the article you posted? They didn't "learn more about it" the next day. They clarified their statement.
This is from the article you posted:

There are some infected people who are “truly asymptomatic,” she said, but countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are “not finding secondary transmission onward” from those cases. “It’s very rare,” she said.

It also differentiates between "asymptomatic" and "presymptomatic". Presymptomatic people can spread the disease readily.

No one is saying it happens more than symptomatic or presymptomatic. The word rare is relative and no one knows how much asymptomatic or presymptomatic is happening.
https://theconversation.com/can-people- ... -19-140531

But there are some telling hints that it is a major driver of this pandemic.

An early modeling estimate suggested that 80% of infections could be attributed to spread from undocumented cases. Presumably the undocumented patients were asymptomatic or had only extremely mild symptoms. Though interesting, the researchers made a lot of assumptions in that model so it is hard to judge the accuracy of that prediction.

A study looking at outbreaks in Ningbo, China, found that people without symptoms spread the virus as easily as those with symptoms. If half of all infected people are without symptoms at any point in time, and those people can transmit SARS-CoV-2 as easily as symptomatic patients, it is safe to assume a huge percentage of spread comes from people without symptoms.

Even without knowing the exact numbers, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention believes that transmission from people without symptoms is a major contributor to the rapid spread of SARS-CoV-2 around the world.

The problem with asymptomatic people is they're out in public more conducting business as usual, while symptomatic people are usually locked down. https://www.vumc.org/coronavirus/latest ... ymptomatic

[catatac]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

Doubt that, peak death day is usually Wednesday, so will probably see a bit of a spike tomorrow.

[wbtfg]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

Doubt that, peak death day is usually Wednesday, so will probably see a bit of a spike tomorrow.

I can't believe we live in The United States of America at a time where we can casually talk about a "peak death day".

Note: Not ripping on you catatac, I've found myself making the same type of statements. It's so bizarre.

[TomCat88]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

Doubt that, peak death day is usually Wednesday, so will probably see a bit of a spike tomorrow.

I can't believe we live in The United States of America at a time where we can casually talk about a "peak death day".

Note: Not ripping on you catatac, I've found myself making the same type of statements. It's so bizarre.

Nationally, 937 deaths and 65,594 cases today. Statewide 109 and 2. Doing better in Montana per capita.

[kwcat]

"Nationally, 937 deaths and 65,594 cases today. Statewide 109 and 2. Doing better in Montana per capita."

Just a little worse on the death percent though, unless I forgot my math. (about .4% on the sample size.)

[ilovethecats]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

Its not "easily" transmitted by asymptomatic people.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -covid-19/

Then a day later...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who ... -covid-19/

Like Celtic said, it's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it.

We're at 696 deaths so far today, which is 297 less that last week. On this day last week it was 993, which was 266 more (727) than the week before. Maybe we'll be on the way back down starting today.

Doubt that, peak death day is usually Wednesday, so will probably see a bit of a spike tomorrow.

I can't believe we live in The United States of America at a time where we can casually talk about a "peak death day".

Note: Not ripping on you catatac, I've found myself making the same type of statements. It's so bizarre.

You’ll rest easy knowing we’ve had other “peak death days” far bigger than this. It’s from other causes so no where near as serious as these deaths of course! But strictly in regards to the numbers discussed above.....it could be worse.

People may be SHOCKED if they learn how many souls die in nursing homes every day in the United States.

[kwcat]

Interesting side note on the infections in Gallatin County.
A college age kid that I know had to be quarantined for 14 days after 4 negative different tests. Individual was exposed, over 30 days ago, along with over 20 other people in close quarters, to 2 individuals that tested positive. Health department scratching their heads over why only 1 additional member of that group tested positive in subsequent weeks.

[iaafan]

A nurse told me that they've tested people who've had covid for antibodies and they come back negative.

[RickRund]

It looks like Moderna has a VERY PROMISING vaccine. 45 of 45 had successful results...

[iaafan]

It looks like Moderna has a VERY PROMISING vaccine. 45 of 45 had successful results...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/modernas-c ... 1594760401


This is really good news! Might just be a normal football season after all.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

[Hawks86]

Better numbers will be rolling in since they will be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the CDC.

[77matcat]

Wow

Finally some comforting information.

[kwcat]

at this point, How many players have had or have the virus?
I would think the more the better so they’re done with it.

[iaafan]

at this point, How many players have had or have the virus?
I would think the more the better so they’re done with it.

You're probably right, the more that get it and recover the better, but I don't think anyone is sure that once you've had it you can't get it again. I'm not too sure I want everyone on the team to get it, because with that large of a number someone is apt to get a really bad case of it. Even if you don't die from it, it can leave you with lifelong problems. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[iaafan]

Ugh! 145 new cases with 72 in Gallatin County.

[CelticCat]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

It's not that people came out and said that riots and protests don't spread the virus. But as they say, actions speak louder than words. So you have to understand some people are very frustrated and VERY hurt by the fact that they weren't allowed to go to their daughters funeral.....but people are allowed to gather by the hundreds and thousands in parks right here in Bozeman and it's ok.

Hell, that's why so many people were upset this morning about the mask voting. They were kicking people out, and refused to move the meeting outside, because there was too many people. It was deemed dangerous. But social rights parades last month were just fine. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, I don't see how people don't understand how people would be frustrated by this.

Can you imagine? If you had a child that died a couple months ago, maybe even due to something else besides Covid? And you couldn't even have a proper funeral. But then the next day you here on the radio the Sherriff telling people how to properly assemble downtown and in our parks in huge groups? It's completely backwards. Hence why people make fun of those crap decisions, and say the virus must not be able to spread in protests, but definitely spread at weddings and funerals.

No different than suggesting the virus spreads in bars and restaurants but must not spread in Walmart because no one seems very concerned about those places or the essential workers who have worked every single day for the last 4 months.

I mean I do get it. I recently had to make a difficult decision regarding a death in the family due to COVID (the decision was due to COVID, not the death), so I understand that side of it.

But by this same logic, would these same people not also be outraged when you see videos of thousands of people on a beach, not social distancing, having a good time?

The riots and protests are a very difficult subject, as you are likely right that it seems like it would be a breeding ground for the virus. But at the same time how do you shut down a person's right to protest? Race tensions were high before George Floyd and that was the straw the broke the camel's back for a lot of people. I just don't know the answer on that one. In a perfect world no, there are no large gatherings of any kind right now, but this is a far from normal period of history we are in right now, and there was an incident that sparked nation-wide outrage.

[ilovethecats]

"The Montana coronavirus map isn't loading at the moment, but yesterday there were only 139 or so active cases in Gallatin County. Shutting down the football season over 139 cases seems like an overreach and an overreaction to reasonable people. If I'm in Billings and was never planning to go to a Cats game this year then how does that mean I'm selfish? This whole coronavirus has turned into bird law; it's not governed by reason.

People's reactions are way out of proportion to the actual impact this virus is having. We've been sold Stephen King's The Stand but what has actually unfolded has not been remotely consistent with that."

Yep, but don't forget Montana deaths are spiking big time because two women in their 90's died yesterday. They tested positive for CV19 so I guess it's possible the virus actually contributed to their deaths? Not sure, nobody knows.

As somebody unfortunately no longer from Montana and in the middle of a Covid hotspot. Montana has been lucky in the fact that there is no mass public transportation, no large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.), and just space to spread out. The minute you go and put 25000 people in Missoula and Bozeman for a football game you are asking for trouble. Just giving the virus that cares little about who or what you are a chance to spread. No one really knows the long-term implications of this virus, although there is more and more evidence trickling out about those. Why put yourself and other Montanans at risk? And, if you get sick because you didn't wear a mask or follow guidelines you are putting unnecessary load and risk onto hospital employees.

Let's just do the social distancing thing and stop making this a political game. Care about each other. I for one am sick of being in semi-lockdown and would like this to end at some point.

There's an increasing amount of research coming out that says that (1) wearing a mask not only protects others, but reduces the exposure of the mask wearer to the virus, and (2) that the amount of the virus that gets into a person's body has a significant impact on whether he/she experiences an asymptomatic or mild case of COVID-19, or experiences a severe or fatal case. The conclusion, the way I see it, is easy to make. If we want to keep the economy open, the virus will continue to spread. But having the majority or all people wearing masks will both decrease the rate of spread, and also make it more likely that those who do contract the virus have mild or asymptomatic cases and don't overburden the health care system by requiring hospitalization. I'm still not sure I'm for mandatory mask orders, but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to understand how an intelligent person would still decide not to wear one given the incredibly minor inconvenience it involves and the ever-increasing amount of data in favor of its efficacy.

Politics/reverse psychology is the main reason. The minute scientists started explaining what to do and Liberals agreed, a large portion of the population decided not to do it. Trump not abiding reinforced all of that.

How is anyone supposed to trust a "scientist" who only four months ago said wearing masks is bad and wouldn't help? And who precisely has objected to social distancing? I haven't seen anyone object to that.

How is anyone supposed to trust the people in charge who tell us BLM protests and riots do not spread the virus, but attending weddings and funerals does spread the virus?

It's a novel virus and they keep learning more about it. Initially they didn't recommend wearing a mask for two main reasons - they did not realize how easily the virus was transmitted by asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people, and #2 there was a large mask shortage initially and they thought it best to not encourage people to buy them because front line workers needed them.

And whoever said riots and protests don't spread the virus? I don't do a ton of reading about those things so maybe I'm missing something.

We all want the same thing, to get back to normal, to have a college football season. Why a person would not do everything in their power to slow down or prevent either of those things is simply beyond my comprehension.

It's not that people came out and said that riots and protests don't spread the virus. But as they say, actions speak louder than words. So you have to understand some people are very frustrated and VERY hurt by the fact that they weren't allowed to go to their daughters funeral.....but people are allowed to gather by the hundreds and thousands in parks right here in Bozeman and it's ok.

Hell, that's why so many people were upset this morning about the mask voting. They were kicking people out, and refused to move the meeting outside, because there was too many people. It was deemed dangerous. But social rights parades last month were just fine. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, I don't see how people don't understand how people would be frustrated by this.

Can you imagine? If you had a child that died a couple months ago, maybe even due to something else besides Covid? And you couldn't even have a proper funeral. But then the next day you here on the radio the Sherriff telling people how to properly assemble downtown and in our parks in huge groups? It's completely backwards. Hence why people make fun of those crap decisions, and say the virus must not be able to spread in protests, but definitely spread at weddings and funerals.

No different than suggesting the virus spreads in bars and restaurants but must not spread in Walmart because no one seems very concerned about those places or the essential workers who have worked every single day for the last 4 months.

I mean I do get it. I recently had to make a difficult decision regarding a death in the family due to COVID (the decision was due to COVID, not the death), so I understand that side of it.

But by this same logic, would these same people not also be outraged when you see videos of thousands of people on a beach, not social distancing, having a good time?

The riots and protests are a very difficult subject, as you are likely right that it seems like it would be a breeding ground for the virus. But at the same time how do you shut down a person's right to protest? Race tensions were high before George Floyd and that was the straw the broke the camel's back for a lot of people. I just don't know the answer on that one. In a perfect world no, there are no large gatherings of any kind right now, but this is a far from normal period of history we are in right now, and there was an incident that sparked nation-wide outrage.

Totally agree with you. No real great answers. I’m just saying I understand where people are coming from with their frustrations. Things people are allowed to do verse things they’re not allowed to do. Stores that are deemed essential verse those that aren’t. At times it feels like there’s really no rhyme or reason.

Sorry for your tough decision. That sucks. I’m in a similar boat but more happy I guess in that I have a niece born almost 6 weeks ago that I have yet to meet because of stupid Covid. It sucks. But I get it, we’re all making sacrifices.