BIG SKY FOOTBALL ALL CONFERENCE SELECTIONS

Air_Griz · Post by **Air_Griz** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:27 pm

Ponycat wrote:
Air_Griz wrote:
083190 wrote:Apparently UM employs a defense with 3 DE's and 3 Safties
That's funny. But you have to admit - the Griz defense can bring some lumber. And, I've watched College Football for 30 years and the Griz Defense has the fastest team speed of any Big Sky Conference team ever. They can close on a ball like those jets that flew over Wa-Griz before the game on Saturday.

I couldn't believe when we had 2 O-Lineman on the 1st Team. Maybe the rest of the coaches in the league think it is o.k. to give up a sack.
And you watched the cats once? twice?. Damn you guys can be arogant.

Don't mean to be arrogant. I really don't think the Griz deserve anybody on 1st Team Offense.

On the other hand, the Griz defense was amazing this year. Those kids can move. Hell, don't take my word for it. Look at how all of the Big Sky Coaches voted in the All Conference selections. You might think I'm brain dead, but you lose credibility when my thoughts are actually supported by 8 Big Sky Conference schools. Fastest team speed ever. Period. Now, as Kramer said on Saturday . . . . Shut. The Heck. Up.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:36 pm

And their DE's could not touch Rolo for most of the game due to the great blocking of our non star O-line. how many times did we hit Swogger with no stars against their 2 awesome O-Linemen

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:39 pm

gtapp wrote:
MSU Toddler wrote:i'm amazed at the number of o-lineman the griz had winning honors just because i thought this was the weakest part of their game based on the number of sacks (no smack intended).

congrats to all montana / Montana State players.

Go CATS!
No question: By far the weakest O-line the griz have had in over 10 years. None of them should have been first team. Swogger got beat up every game and their run game was weak. I can see the Defensive players getting the nod but not the O-Line. The biggest omission for the Cats was Daly. He was the most productive LB in the league. Force missed out because of the games he missed. Second team was probably the right place because of the injury.

Air_Griz · Post by **Air_Griz** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:47 pm

tetoncat wrote:And their DE's could not touch Rolo for most of the game due to the great blocking of our non star O-line. how many times did we hit Swogger with no stars against their 2 awesome O-Linemen

Dude: Don't get that excited about hitting Swagger. That's nothing. 10 other teams did it all year long - most of them better than the Cats did.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:49 pm

But your still proud of getting two O-Linemen on 1st team. Must of been hitting him from the other side all the time.

Air_Griz · Post by **Air_Griz** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:53 pm

tetoncat wrote:But your still proud of getting two O-Linemen on 1st team. Must of been hitting him from the other side all the time.

What you talkin bout girl. I'm not proud. Read my post above. Like I said above, I don't think the Griz deserved any players on 1st Team Offense. However, a couple of them did deserve 2nd Team and Honorable Mention.

twentythreeOh4 · Post by **twentythreeOh4** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:57 pm

tetoncat wrote:And their DE's could not touch Rolo for most of the game due to the great blocking of our non star O-line. how many times did we hit Swogger with no stars against their 2 awesome O-Linemen

MSU got zero rushing first downs the ENTIRE game and managed only 53 yards on 28 attempts for an average of 1.9 yards a carry. The Cat's converted only 2 passing first downs the second half. If the O-line did such great job, you would think the offensive numbers would have been much better?

ftg3485 · Post by **ftg3485** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:22 pm

I will admit the Griz had a stellar defense and deserved alot of the 1st team slots, but no way in HE11 should they have BOTH safeties first team over Ryan Force. And Daly is heads and tails better then an honorable mention linebacker, I thought he had a shot at first team let alone second team. But whatever we will show all the haters in the playoffs.

ftg3485 · Post by **ftg3485** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:23 pm

Swogger 2nd team is the funniest thing I have seen all day lol.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:52 pm

ftg3485 wrote:Swogger 2nd team is the funniest thing I have seen all day lol.

Swogger may be the worst UM QB I've seen in my lifetime. I only remember Grizzly football starting at Morhinweg, but I am having trouble remembering someone behind center who was basically a liability. Berquist/Washington had troubles last year, but neither had the hype Swogger did coming into this season. Even considering this, the Washington/Berquist combo combined for more TDs and fewer INTs than Swogger did this year.

Put an average Griz QB behind center this year and they are blowing everybody out by two touchdowns. Swogger getting second team Big Sky is solely a team accomplishment. Statistically, Gutierrez beats him in almost every category. I'm not sure that Cole Berquist wouldn't give the Griz a better shot at winning the title.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:27 pm

Think of it this way guys - next year the cats should have 2 first team DB's (Austin, Fuller), 2-3 first team or 2nd team LB's (Clagget, Daly, King), and a first or 2nd team DE (Papich). This D will be damn good (again!) next year!

We should also have a couple O-lineman (Big Lou, Jensen) and a tight (Barnhart or Bostick) end on 1st or 2nd team. QB, WR, RB, who knows. We need them to stay healthy and/or play for the whole season to get a shot (none of the above except Jefferson did this year)

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:06 am

GOKATS wrote:
gtapp wrote:
MSU Toddler wrote:i'm amazed at the number of o-lineman the griz had winning honors just because i thought this was the weakest part of their game based on the number of sacks (no smack intended).

congrats to all montana / Montana State players.

Go CATS!
No question: By far the weakest O-line the griz have had in over 10 years. None of them should have been first team. Swogger got beat up every game and their run game was weak. I can see the Defensive players getting the nod but not the O-Line. The biggest omission for the Cats was Daly. He was the most productive LB in the league. Force missed out because of the games he missed. Second team was probably the right place because of the injury.

First there is a couple of issues here. You should never decide that a player should or should be named to the all conference team based upon the performance of the team's unit. Second, for those who disagree with the selections of the two Griz Olineman don't know what they are talking about. While they may not have performed up to snuff at times, those two were recognized for good reason. That being said, GTAPP has no credibility as in the preseaon he was crowing about the preseason picks and admonished me for saying the Griz had amassed some of the best talent they have had in years.

I think you can feel slighted, but stop crying in your beer, it comes across poorly. I can tell you somebody like Brant B. wouldn't start on many other teams, but he was a good fit for you guys and a good kid I'm sure.

doebrmn · Post by **doebrmn** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:54 am

I can say with all honesty, this All-Conference team is a joke. That's not to say alot of people that made it didn't deserve it. Thomas and Anderson did deserve 1st team. They are the best run-stop safeties in the league. But any All-conference team that leaves Bobby Daly off the 1st or 2nd team is complete BS. And to put three Griz lineman on 1st and 2nd team is pathetic. Any true Griz fan will tell you this is the worst offensive line the Griz have had in 14 years.

I watched every minute of every Cat and Griz game this year. Hands down, the best linebacker in the league is Bobby Daly. While some may disagree, at a minimum, he is certainly top three. All you have to look at is the stats.

1. Cyrus Mulitalo. SAC SO 11 LB 56 64 120 10.9 2.0
2. Pago Togafau... ISU SR 11 LB 39 77 116 10.5 3.0
3. Bobby Daly..... MSU SO 11 LB 46 61 107 9.7 3.0
4. Tyler DeBry.... WSU SR 11 LB 34 72 106 9.6 1.0
5. Adam Hayward... PSU SR 11 LB 56 48 104 9.5 9.5

Of those five players, who is the only one that didn't make 1st or 2nd team. Linebackers are suppose to tackle. If these stats don't deserve 1st or 2nd team, then I don't know what else the kid can do.

Of course, if you look back at history you might recall another MSU linebacker (Kirk Timmer) that had the same type stats (actually led the league in tackles) and never made 1st team All Conference. That's when I was no longer surprised how stupid these lists really are. If you want another example, Adam Cordiero didn't make 1st or 2nd team All-Conference and was named All-American. So I wouldn't spend too much time trying to figure these things out.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:06 am

We got robbed!!!!!!!!!

No special teams players for the Cat.s Come on, we all know that Kramer should be Special Teams Coach of the year. How many times did that roll punt work for us this year or should I say against us.

The defense really got the snub. How could our line get so little respect with all the sacks and pressure we had as a team this year.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:58 am

ftg3485 wrote:Swogger 2nd team is the funniest thing I have seen all day lol.

No, I think Murietta for Offensive player of the year might be

twentythreeOh4 · Post by **twentythreeOh4** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:42 am

catamaran wrote:
ftg3485 wrote:Swogger 2nd team is the funniest thing I have seen all day lol.
No, I think Murietta for Offensive player of the year might be

Why do you think thats funny? I believe he had 34 TD's to 5 INT's and a QB rating of 168. He's going to be a finalist for the Payton so why wouldn't he be the conference MVP?

Who would you have selected?

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:03 am

catamaran wrote:
ftg3485 wrote:Swogger 2nd team is the funniest thing I have seen all day lol.
No, I think Murietta for Offensive player of the year might be

Huh???

Murietta threw for 34 TDs and only 5 picks to go with his 2800+ yards.

I don't think any other offensive player in the conference comes close to these stats.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:27 am

I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, but I usually equate player of the year awards to wins, not piling up stats in embarassing losing seasons

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:35 pm

doebrmn wrote:I can say with all honesty, this All-Conference team is a joke. That's not to say alot of people that made it didn't deserve it. Thomas and Anderson did deserve 1st team. They are the best run-stop safeties in the league. But any All-conference team that leaves Bobby Daly off the 1st or 2nd team is complete BS. And to put three Griz lineman on 1st and 2nd team is pathetic. Any true Griz fan will tell you this is the worst offensive line the Griz have had in 14 years.

I watched every minute of every Cat and Griz game this year. Hands down, the best linebacker in the league is Bobby Daly. While some may disagree, at a minimum, he is certainly top three. All you have to look at is the stats.

1. Cyrus Mulitalo. SAC SO 11 LB 56 64 120 10.9 2.0
2. Pago Togafau... ISU SR 11 LB 39 77 116 10.5 3.0
3. Bobby Daly..... MSU SO 11 LB 46 61 107 9.7 3.0
4. Tyler DeBry.... WSU SR 11 LB 34 72 106 9.6 1.0
5. Adam Hayward... PSU SR 11 LB 56 48 104 9.5 9.5

Of those five players, who is the only one that didn't make 1st or 2nd team. Linebackers are suppose to tackle. If these stats don't deserve 1st or 2nd team, then I don't know what else the kid can do.

Of course, if you look back at history you might recall another MSU linebacker (Kirk Timmer) that had the same type stats (actually led the league in tackles) and never made 1st team All Conference. That's when I was no longer surprised how stupid these lists really are. If you want another example, Adam Cordiero didn't make 1st or 2nd team All-Conference and was named All-American. So I wouldn't spend too much time trying to figure these things out.

Do you ever really watch OLine play? 90% fans don't unless something is brought to their attention so I doubt most true Griz fans can really comment on the talent of our OLine. They base their opinions on offense output and sacks but fail to understand the need for an OLine to play as a unit. I will concede that this may not be the best OLine we have had, but I can attest that we have some of the most talented players that we have ever had. And being a former Griz OLineman, I think I probably better qualified to say that then most as I actually watch the OLine.

We all see our players each week, but these teams are voted on by those who see a lot more games then any ot us. Your are upset with the process only because those YOU believe should be listed are not on the team. You are not objective and it shows. Daly is a fine player, but he was also featured in a defense that allowed him to make plays.

My point to much of this is that when the pre-season selections were annouced, it was hailed a great list. I pointed out then that lots of things change in the course of a season and it would be interesting to see who was named at the end of the season. My point was proven as those outside of the respective programs agreed that a number of individuals were some fo the best in the conference.

WalkOn79 · Post by **WalkOn79** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:57 pm

grizzh8r wrote:Think of it this way guys - next year the cats should have 2 first team DB's (Austin, Fuller), 2-3 first team or 2nd team LB's (Clagget, Daly, King), and a first or 2nd team DE (Papich). This D will be damn good (again!) next year!

We should also have a couple O-lineman (Big Lou, Jensen) and a tight (Barnhart or Bostick) end on 1st or 2nd team. QB, WR, RB, who knows. We need them to stay healthy and/or play for the whole season to get a shot (none of the above except Jefferson did this year)

Don't forget Hansen. I think he's got a shot at being a 3 year all-conference performer, and a likely all-american before he's done.