Griz and Cats mirror each other

DaGriz · Post by **DaGriz** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:16 pm

Oh, you mean like last year's home playoff game with Cal Poly?

I don't think we should have beat them that game or the first time we played them. I think they had a way more talented team then we did last year. We had a very young team with young quarterbacks and WR's last year. Hell, you guys had Lulay and couldn't even beat them. I'm still shocked we even made the playoffs last year with that team.

1-aa is for real · Post by **1-aa is for real** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:33 am

DaGriz wrote:
Oh, you mean like last year's home playoff game with Cal Poly?
I don't think we should have beat them that game or the first time we played them. I think they had a way more talented team then we did last year. We had a very young team with young quarterbacks and WR's last year. Hell, you guys had Lulay and couldn't even beat them. I'm still shocked we even made the playoffs last year with that team.

Be honest, your offence sucks if you take away all the turn overs your D has gotten them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Griz spin. Just fess up and be honest it sucks. Last year it was how great your transfer, Washinton was going to be, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. He sucked. Your lucky he was not able to play all season, you never would have made the play-offs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how Swogger and Chambers would light up all the Big Sky Teams.

Yeah well now all I hear is how GREAT ALL the defences are in the Big Sky. Give me a break Swogger and Chambers have been a bust for the Griz. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Swogger. I thought he would light up the field. He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a QB, you have lots of guys to catch the ball but no one that can perform at QB. Your Defence is the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these QBs, and actually build on someone like Berquist or Stapp you might have another NC by now. Won't Washington be back next year? WOW that must be something your looking forward to. Or will Hauck pull another Big bad 1-A drop down out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will learn not to go to UM, because like the others they will ride the bench while they watch guys who can't make it at 1-A drop down to be given their spot. All the better for the rest of us. If I was Berquist or Stapp, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay with just being a bench warmer for transfer Qbs. Hey Berquist, I hear NAU is looking for a QB, or are you going to just ride the pine again next year?

peace

A Griz 4ster · Post by **A Griz 4ster** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:04 am

1-aa is for real wrote:
DaGriz wrote:
Oh, you mean like last year's home playoff game with Cal Poly?
I don't think we should have beat them that game or the first time we played them. I think they had a way more talented team then we did last year. We had a very young team with young quarterbacks and WR's last year. Hell, you guys had Lulay and couldn't even beat them. I'm still shocked we even made the playoffs last year with that team.
Be honest, your offence sucks if you take away all the turn overs your D has gotten them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Griz spin. Just fess up and be honest it sucks. Last year it was how great your transfer, Washinton was going to be, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. He sucked. Your lucky he was not able to play all season, you never would have made the play-offs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how Swogger and Chambers would light up all the Big Sky Teams. Yeah well now all I hear is how GREAT ALL the defences are in the Big Sky. Give me a break Swogger and Chambers have been a bust for the Griz. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Swogger. I thought he would light up the field. He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a QB, you have lots of guys to catch the ball but no one that can perform at QB. Your Defence is the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these QBs, and actually build on someone like Berquist or Stapp you might have another NC by now. Won't Washington be back next year? WOW that must be something your looking forward to. Or will Hauck pull another Big bad 1-A drop down out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will learn not to go to UM, because like the others they will ride the bench while they watch guys who can't make it at 1-A drop down to be given their spot. All the better for the rest of us. If I was Berquist or Stapp, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay with just being a bench warmer for transfer Qbs. Hey Berquist, I hear NAU is looking for a QB, or are you going to just ride the pine again next year?

peace

So far this season, you're mostly right. They do suck. However Chambers hasn't been a bust. We have lots of talent on offense, hopefully Swogger will get his act together, or Berquist will get in and play. IMO Swogger and Phenecie's system are both problems, for the past three games, more fault to Swogger than to anyone else by a large margin. No spin here, but despite poor Offensive production, you still have to score on our D, which has been very impressive and getting better each of the past few weeks. In the coaches defense, Swogs was too good a deal to pass up. And seems to me Kramer has done the same thing with his QB situation this year with Rolovich, no? I don't know what the coaches will do with the QB next year, but I think they will utilize the young talent we have. At least I hope so, I don't like transfer one year guys either. I can't wait for the Brawl, its going to be another corker.

BHauck's nose · Post by **BHauck's nose** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:46 am

catsrback76 wrote:I agreed with ctowm , both the Cats and the Griz are not impressing anyone on the offensive side of the ball, while on defense we are very impressive. Neither team can put ANY team away. I think it is a generational thing with these kids. Like, "lets beat them, but not by much so they can take away some feel goods".
Who knows? All we can say is that both teams are nationally ranked in the top 20. Both teams have stellar conference records. And both teams are playing for the same thing-- FIRST PLACE!

One thing that helps "put teams away," is a solid running game. If you can't run the ball in the second half, it sure makes it hard to control the game. I thought we showed some signs of being able to run the ball a little bit on Saturday, but if we want to control games...we have to be able to pound the running game.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:49 pm

BHauck's nose wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:I agreed with ctowm , both the Cats and the Griz are not impressing anyone on the offensive side of the ball, while on defense we are very impressive. Neither team can put ANY team away. I think it is a generational thing with these kids. Like, "lets beat them, but not by much so they can take away some feel goods".
Who knows? All we can say is that both teams are nationally ranked in the top 20. Both teams have stellar conference records. And both teams are playing for the same thing-- FIRST PLACE!

One thing that helps "put teams away," is a solid running game. If you can't run the ball in the second half, it sure makes it hard to control the game. I thought we showed some signs of being able to run the ball a little bit on Saturday, but if we want to control games...we have to be able to pound the running game.

I sure wouldn't mind seeing Groves with 20 carries, Mason and Taito with 10-12 carries a piece. I really hate that we throw the ball almost all the time on 2nd down. We get a nice little gain on 1st and 10, and then we throw the ball on 2nd and 5. We need to see more runs in this situation to keep the defenses on their toes. We are just too predictable on offense.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:03 pm

Stat for Griz fans - only one running back has gone for over 100 yards against the Cats - Danny Woodhead of Chadron State.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:40 pm

Cledus wrote:Not without the refs you wouldn't.

You know, it's funny...Cat fans are always saying that Griz fans bitch and complain and make excuses about everything (field conditions, etc.) Well, thanks to Cletus here, I think we may have found the Cat fans' mantra about the Griz:

"It's the refs!!", he wails. "The refs want the Griz to win!! It's not faaaair!! It's not faaaair!! It's not..."

--GL

Htowngriz · Post by **Htowngriz** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:54 pm

CelticCat wrote:Stat for Griz fans - only one running back has gone for over 100 yards against the Cats - Danny Woodhead of Chadron State.

So the worse the team, the more yards they give up?

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:00 pm

Htowngriz wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Stat for Griz fans - only one running back has gone for over 100 yards against the Cats - Danny Woodhead of Chadron State.
So the worse the team, the more yards they give up?

!!!!!LAME!!!!! Go Jump off the foot bridge with your bag of lame coments!

If you knew anything about this guy you would know that he is well over any bigsky running back for overall yards

Danny Woodhead 10 267 2317 74 2243 8.4 27 88 224.3 per game!!!

And their team is unbeaten!

DaGriz · Post by **DaGriz** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:41 pm

1-aa is for real wrote:
DaGriz wrote:
Oh, you mean like last year's home playoff game with Cal Poly?
I don't think we should have beat them that game or the first time we played them. I think they had a way more talented team then we did last year. We had a very young team with young quarterbacks and WR's last year. Hell, you guys had Lulay and couldn't even beat them. I'm still shocked we even made the playoffs last year with that team.
Be honest, your offence sucks if you take away all the turn overs your D has gotten them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Griz spin. Just fess up and be honest it sucks. Last year it was how great your transfer, Washinton was going to be, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. He sucked. Your lucky he was not able to play all season, you never would have made the play-offs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how Swogger and Chambers would light up all the Big Sky Teams. Yeah well now all I hear is how GREAT ALL the defences are in the Big Sky. Give me a break Swogger and Chambers have been a bust for the Griz. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Swogger. I thought he would light up the field. He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a QB, you have lots of guys to catch the ball but no one that can perform at QB. Your Defence is the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these QBs, and actually build on someone like Berquist or Stapp you might have another NC by now. Won't Washington be back next year? WOW that must be something your looking forward to. Or will Hauck pull another Big bad 1-A drop down out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will learn not to go to UM, because like the others they will ride the bench while they watch guys who can't make it at 1-A drop down to be given their spot. All the better for the rest of us. If I was Berquist or Stapp, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay with just being a bench warmer for transfer Qbs. Hey Berquist, I hear NAU is looking for a QB, or are you going to just ride the pine again next year?

peace

Here's my response. Since yours wasn't taken as smack, mine shouldn't be either.

Be honest, your coach sucks if you take away all the games your D has basically won for them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Cat spin. Just fess up and be honest he sucks. Last year it was how great your QB Lulay was, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. Your lucky you had him all year and you still couldn't make the playoffs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how if the Cats had an easy schedule like the Griz they would make the playoffs, this year they did and could easily be home for the first round. Give me a break Kramer has been a bust for the Cats. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Kramer. I thought he would tear up the Big Sky when he came over from EWU, but what has done? 3 wins against the Griz, nice. Other than that, he has managed what, one playoff game with one of the best QB's in Big Sky history? His best season has been 7-6 with the Cats? He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a coach, you have lots of guys to catch the ball and pass the ball but no one that can perform at coach. Your Defence (defense is with an 's') is one of the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these WR's, and actually build on someone you might have another NC by now. Or will Kramer pull another Big bad Califoria Junior college transfer out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will never want to go to MSU, because like the others, they will want to play for a national contending team year in and year out, not an underachieving team that can't put more than 7 wins together in a season. All the better for the rest of us. If I was a Bobcat player, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay co-sharing the Big Sky title on occasion and never playing in the post season. Hey Kramer, I hear UNC is looking for a coach to rebuild their crappy program to a .500 team, or are you just going to miss the playoffs again next year?
peace

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:00 pm

Woodhead was the best RB I've seen in Bobcat stadium for many years, with the exception of probably Lex Hilliard. Still no excuse why we gave up so many to him, but should be at the very least starting at a I-AA school.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:09 pm

CelticCat wrote:Woodhead was the best RB I've seen in Bobcat stadium for many years, with the exception of probably Lex Hilliard. Still no excuse why we gave up so many to him, but should be at the very least starting at a I-AA school.

Frank Hawkins
Merrill Hoge
Tony Boddie
Charles Roberts
Archie Amerson

There are 5 who spent a little time in the bigs. All better than LH and all played in Bozeman. Probably missed several others.

BHauck's nose · Post by **BHauck's nose** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:10 pm

DaGriz wrote:
1-aa is for real wrote:
DaGriz wrote:
Oh, you mean like last year's home playoff game with Cal Poly?
I don't think we should have beat them that game or the first time we played them. I think they had a way more talented team then we did last year. We had a very young team with young quarterbacks and WR's last year. Hell, you guys had Lulay and couldn't even beat them. I'm still shocked we even made the playoffs last year with that team.
Be honest, your offence sucks if you take away all the turn overs your D has gotten them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Griz spin. Just fess up and be honest it sucks. Last year it was how great your transfer, Washinton was going to be, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. He sucked. Your lucky he was not able to play all season, you never would have made the play-offs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how Swogger and Chambers would light up all the Big Sky Teams. Yeah well now all I hear is how GREAT ALL the defences are in the Big Sky. Give me a break Swogger and Chambers have been a bust for the Griz. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Swogger. I thought he would light up the field. He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a QB, you have lots of guys to catch the ball but no one that can perform at QB. Your Defence is the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these QBs, and actually build on someone like Berquist or Stapp you might have another NC by now. Won't Washington be back next year? WOW that must be something your looking forward to. Or will Hauck pull another Big bad 1-A drop down out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will learn not to go to UM, because like the others they will ride the bench while they watch guys who can't make it at 1-A drop down to be given their spot. All the better for the rest of us. If I was Berquist or Stapp, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay with just being a bench warmer for transfer Qbs. Hey Berquist, I hear NAU is looking for a QB, or are you going to just ride the pine again next year?

peace
Here's my response. Since yours wasn't taken as smack, mine shouldn't be either.

Be honest, your coach sucks if you take away all the games your D has basically won for them. I do not mean that as smack. I am so tired of Cat spin. Just fess up and be honest he sucks. Last year it was how great your QB Lulay was, remember? How he had a cannon for an arm. Your lucky you had him all year and you still couldn't make the playoffs. ALL I heard ALL this spring is how if the Cats had an easy schedule like the Griz they would make the playoffs, this year they did and could easily be home for the first round. Give me a break Kramer has been a bust for the Cats. I am man enough to admit I believed everyone about Kramer. I thought he would tear up the Big Sky when he came over from EWU, but what has done? 3 wins against the Griz, nice. Other than that, he has managed what, one playoff game with one of the best QB's in Big Sky history? His best season has been 7-6 with the Cats? He has shown he is very average, even at the 1-AA level. You guys would be scary if you had a coach, you have lots of guys to catch the ball and pass the ball but no one that can perform at coach. Your Defence (defense is with an 's') is one of the best in the nation. If your coach would stop trying to transfer in these WR's, and actually build on someone you might have another NC by now. Or will Kramer pull another Big bad Califoria Junior college transfer out of his hat? QBs like Hedrick, Stapp, and Berquist will never want to go to MSU, because like the others, they will want to play for a national contending team year in and year out, not an underachieving team that can't put more than 7 wins together in a season. All the better for the rest of us. If I was a Bobcat player, I would be thinking about my options. Unless they are okay co-sharing the Big Sky title on occasion and never playing in the post season. Hey Kramer, I hear UNC is looking for a coach to rebuild their crappy program to a .500 team, or are you just going to miss the playoffs again next year?
peace

Are you telling me that if we didn't have Kramer we would be contending for the national title each year? Coming from 0-11 a few years back, I would like to see the coach that could do that. Dang, if we just could have gotten Hauck, cat fans and Hauck's nose would be so much happier.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:12 pm

Forgot Jesse CHatman who backed up LaDainian T. in San Diego!

BHauck's nose · Post by **BHauck's nose** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:33 pm

083190 wrote:Forgot Jesse CHatman who backed up LaDainian T. in San Diego!

I don't think he was talking about best running back he has "ever seen," in Bozeman, but I would definitely put him ahead of Chatman. I don't think short stack from Chadron is a pro back, but he is a tough college back.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:40 pm

083190 wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Woodhead was the best RB I've seen in Bobcat stadium for many years, with the exception of probably Lex Hilliard. Still no excuse why we gave up so many to him, but should be at the very least starting at a I-AA school.
Frank Hawkins
Merrill Hoge
Tony Boddie
Charles Roberts
Archie Amerson

There are 5 who spent a little time in the bigs. All better than LH and all played in Bozeman. Probably missed several others.

Mercury Morris and Duane Thomas were both decent pros (as long as this is going this direction

I don't doubt we'll get to watch Whitehead on Sunday.

Htowngriz · Post by **Htowngriz** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:44 pm

CelticCat wrote:Woodhead was the best RB I've seen in Bobcat stadium for many years, with the exception of probably Lex Hilliard. Still no excuse why we gave up so many to him, but should be at the very least starting at a I-AA school.

Not smack, but probably Lex?

MSU Toddler · Post by **MSU Toddler** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:55 pm

not smack (since i think Lex is a stud), but go back and check his stats against the Cats in the game played in Bozeman - he wasn't good. he did have some yards at the end of the 1st half that boosted his overall total, but he did not run up to the billing.

again - Lex is a stud and a scary back. i take nothing away from a kid who should have a shot at sundays.

Htowngriz · Post by **Htowngriz** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:12 pm

MSU Toddler wrote:not smack (since i think Lex is a stud), but go back and check his stats against the Cats in the game played in Bozeman - he wasn't good. he did have some yards at the end of the 1st half that boosted his overall total, but he did not run up to the billing.

again - Lex is a stud and a scary back. i take nothing away from a kid who should have a shot at sundays.

You're right, I thought you were refering to him as a back overall. I hate to bring up the turf thing again, and take away credit from the cats' D, but it might have had something to do with his performance. Either way, thanks for giving him the respect he deserves.

MSU Toddler · Post by **MSU Toddler** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:19 pm

I hate to bring up the turf thing again, and take away credit from the cats' D, but it might have had something to do with his performance.

that never gets old - really. did you happen to see how many yards Groves had on the same turf - same day? the Cats plan out stuffed him because the griz had no other weapons that day (the griz passing game last year wasn't very impressive so teams keyed on Lex). again, that isn't smack just the facts.......drop the turf thing, it doesn't work.