COACH K

Catmandoo · Post by **Catmandoo** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:51 am

I have read over and over again about how much talent this Cat team has. But no team with talent loses to a Div. II team one week, then gets beat 45-0 the next week at home, unless there are some SERIOUS issues going on.

Is it possible that all of the off-the-field problems with MSU athletes has caught up with this program? When there is inner turmoil on a team, when everybody is not on the same page, no amount of talent will make them win games. Everyone who has played football understands the importance of team unity and chemistry. Without it, losses follow.

You saw what Terrel Owens did to the team chemistry of the once-mighty Eagles. It does not take much to destroy chemistry. There is way too much talent on this team to be getting destroyed like this. We did not lose this badly in Kramer's first year rebuilding with mostly raw freshmen. Food for thought.

cat92 · Post by **cat92** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:24 pm

I think the offensive players have no respect for Coach Bailey. He has done some good things on a few occasions---but overall it appears he lacks what we need. We have had 8-10 turnovers in the last two weeks.....punt blocks, fumbles, interceptions, time for a change I hope.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:28 pm

I agree

Weltercat · Post by **Weltercat** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:55 pm

I would not exactly say he brought this team up from the gates of hell. The 0-11 season he had was his own fault. He inherited a better team than Cliff Hysell did and has a worse record overall.

I say get rid of Coach Kramer.

Five8 · Post by **Five8** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:37 am

I know what it's like being down in the dumps...I was on the 0-11 team and guess what five years later 2 Big sky championships....Coach Kramer knows what he's doing...the players need to trust him and they need to gell together. they split the championship last year....SO I KNOW there are some guys on the team that knows what it takes. They need to step it up and bring everyone else along with them. Seniors if any ya'll read this you know what i mean.......FINISH STRONG!

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 am

Are you available as a motivational speaker for the team???

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:00 am

Five8 wrote:I know what it's like being down in the dumps...I was on the 0-11 team and guess what five years later 2 Big sky championships....Coach Kramer knows what he's doing...the players need to trust him and they need to gell together. they split the championship last year....SO I KNOW there are some guys on the team that knows what it takes. They need to step it up and bring everyone else along with them. Seniors if any ya'll read this you know what i mean.......FINISH STRONG!

Great post. I've been as dissapointed as the next fan but all this finger pointing and calling for Bailey's head is laughable. It reminds me of how the Griz fans react. Watch the CO game and tell me how poor Bailey's play calling was then. A few missed executions on the players' parts or we would have scored around 35 on them. The players just need to regain focus, play with intensity, and execute the plays being called, and the QB needs to step into the leadership role.

grzh8r · Post by **grzh8r** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:32 am

catatac wrote: Great post. I've been as dissapointed as the next fan but all this finger pointing and calling for Bailey's head is laughable. It reminds me of how the Griz fans react. Watch the CO game and tell me how poor Bailey's play calling was then. A few missed executions on the players' parts or we would have scored around 35 on them. The players just need to regain focus, play with intensity, and execute the plays being called, and the QB needs to step into the leadership role.

I agree that the player's execution has not been up to par but I still do not believe Bailey has what it takes to be an offensive coordinator. Witness the stupid delay of game calls every season (what, can't get the play in on time? The OC should have 2-3 plays lined out, ready to go ALL the time). How many times to we run a play that doesn't work against the D? And why can't we audible at the line of scrimmage anymore? Because Bailey doesn't trust his QB. Lulay was the only one who had the cojones to read the D and call off Bailey's stupid plays. How many times have we thrown to the tight end this year? Why do we continue to run up the middle when we don't have a proven running back? And don't tell me it's to keep the defense honest. We run up the middle cuz we've got nothin else without Groves. Why can't our D-1 receivers get beyond the secondary? It's not because they're not fast, it's because of the ridiculous play calling. Our players are capable, quick, and strong... they need to figure out amongst themselves what it takes to win and stop listening to Bailey.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:55 am

grzh8r wrote:
catatac wrote: Great post. I've been as dissapointed as the next fan but all this finger pointing and calling for Bailey's head is laughable. It reminds me of how the Griz fans react. Watch the CO game and tell me how poor Bailey's play calling was then. A few missed executions on the players' parts or we would have scored around 35 on them. The players just need to regain focus, play with intensity, and execute the plays being called, and the QB needs to step into the leadership role.
I agree that the player's execution has not been up to par but I still do not believe Bailey has what it takes to be an offensive coordinator. Witness the stupid delay of game calls every season (what, can't get the play in on time? The OC should have 2-3 plays lined out, ready to go ALL the time). How many times to we run a play that doesn't work against the D? And why can't we audible at the line of scrimmage anymore? Because Bailey doesn't trust his QB. Lulay was the only one who had the cojones to read the D and call off Bailey's stupid plays. How many times have we thrown to the tight end this year? Why do we continue to run up the middle when we don't have a proven running back? And don't tell me it's to keep the defense honest. We run up the middle cuz we've got nothin else without Groves. Why can't our D-1 receivers get beyond the secondary? It's not because they're not fast, it's because of the ridiculous play calling. Our players are capable, quick, and strong... they need to figure out amongst themselves what it takes to win and stop listening to Bailey.

So how did we do so well offensively in Colorado... luck?

STREETCAT · Post by **STREETCAT** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:01 am

catatac wrote:
grzh8r wrote:
catatac wrote: Great post. I've been as dissapointed as the next fan but all this finger pointing and calling for Bailey's head is laughable. It reminds me of how the Griz fans react. Watch the CO game and tell me how poor Bailey's play calling was then. A few missed executions on the players' parts or we would have scored around 35 on them. The players just need to regain focus, play with intensity, and execute the plays being called, and the QB needs to step into the leadership role.
I agree that the player's execution has not been up to par but I still do not believe Bailey has what it takes to be an offensive coordinator. Witness the stupid delay of game calls every season (what, can't get the play in on time? The OC should have 2-3 plays lined out, ready to go ALL the time). How many times to we run a play that doesn't work against the D? And why can't we audible at the line of scrimmage anymore? Because Bailey doesn't trust his QB. Lulay was the only one who had the cojones to read the D and call off Bailey's stupid plays. How many times have we thrown to the tight end this year? Why do we continue to run up the middle when we don't have a proven running back? And don't tell me it's to keep the defense honest. We run up the middle cuz we've got nothin else without Groves. Why can't our D-1 receivers get beyond the secondary? It's not because they're not fast, it's because of the ridiculous play calling. Our players are capable, quick, and strong... they need to figure out amongst themselves what it takes to win and stop listening to Bailey.
So how did we do so well offensively in Colorado... luck?

Short passes, short passes, short passes as seen last week thats all we run are short passing routes, oh an no speed with groves out

grzh8r · Post by **grzh8r** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:50 am

catatac wrote: So how did we do so well offensively in Colorado... luck?

100% domination on defense.... and 12 of 19 points by the kicking team, not exactly what I'd consider offensive domination but it's a win and I'll take it. Tthat's what won us the game in Colorado. But maybe you should pose that question to Kramer?

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:57 am

Great plan grizhater, just ignore the coaches and do what you want. sounds like recipe for mutiny and then disaster to me.

BHauck's nose · Post by **BHauck's nose** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

[quote="STREETCAT"]Well, after the past six years of being around cat football, realistically what has Kramer done? 3 decent years, not good but decent, and three terrible years (possibly the fourth on the way) just curious what others thought of Kramer. I would think in any other place but Bozeman he would have been long gone by now with one playoff showing in six years![/quote]

Let's see....what has Kramer done:

2 BS Championships
2 Playoff Appearances (please get your facts straight)
4 Straight Winning Seasons
Beat a Div 1-A opponent
Made a name for this program nationally
Just to name a few

And lastly, he has stirred up so much interest in this program, we have gained the fans like you that want to have a mutiny every time we lose a couple games.

Calm down and start preparing for how we are going to turn this season around.

grzh8r · Post by **grzh8r** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:15 pm

tetoncat wrote:Great plan grizhater, just ignore the coaches and do what you want. sounds like recipe for mutiny and then disaster to me.

Can't get any more pathetic than it is right now, can it?... and who's currently calling the shots? My point is, Lulay had the ability and knowledge to read the D and audible... Carpenter and Rolovich should too. Hence, the "players ignoring the coach" and playing against the D rather than against the playbook

BHauck's nose · Post by **BHauck's nose** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:57 pm

[quote="Catmandoo"]I have read over and over again about how much talent this Cat team has. But no team with talent loses to a Div. II team one week, then gets beat 45-0 the next week at home, unless there are some SERIOUS issues going on.

Is it possible that all of the off-the-field problems with MSU athletes has caught up with this program? When there is inner turmoil on a team, when everybody is not on the same page, no amount of talent will make them win games. Everyone who has played football understands the importance of team unity and chemistry. Without it, losses follow.

You saw what Terrel Owens did to the team chemistry of the once-mighty Eagles. It does not take much to destroy chemistry. There is way too much talent on this team to be getting destroyed like this. We did not lose this badly in Kramer's first year rebuilding with mostly raw freshmen. Food for thought.[/quote]

These "off the field problems," have nothing to do with the current MSU football team. It is the result of two idiots that made terrible mistakes. Neither one of these players was on the team at the time, so I don't see the correlation between Terrell Owens and John Lebrum. Maybe I'm missing something???

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