New OC

alasax · Post by **alasax** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:13 pm

FB is one sport when it TRULY a team effort.
Coaches don't drop passes
Coaches don't miss assignments
Coaches don't blow tackles
Coaches don't fail to block
Coaches don't punt...etc...

We need to look not only at what is being coached in the game plan, but where the intensity ON the field is missing.

The last three 1/2 years we knew.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:19 pm

I too am beginning to think it could be too many transfers. I can see getting the transfers when you are trying to rebuild a program, but come on Kramer, you should have it rebuilt by now. Maybe he should stay home more and stop the PR crap. You don't need all the PR crap if you have a great program. Get home and get your job done, boss!!

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:52 pm

alasax wrote:FB is one sport when it TRULY a team effort.
Coaches don't drop passes
Coaches don't miss assignments
Coaches don't blow tackles
Coaches don't fail to block
Coaches don't punt...etc...

We need to look not only at what is being coached in the game plan, but where the intensity ON the field is missing.

The last three 1/2 years we knew.

Sounds like coaches don't do much...

alasax · Post by **alasax** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:12 pm

Just teach, recruit, motivate, analyze, lay out a game plan, etc..

Like I said...truly a team sport

Cat_gld · Post by **Cat_gld** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:21 pm

Ya know the griz brought in some adult supervision for Bobby Hauk. Would that be applicable here?

Bcat · Post by **Bcat** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:01 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:I too am beginning to think it could be too many transfers. I can see getting the transfers when you are trying to rebuild a program, but come on Kramer, you should have it rebuilt by now. Maybe he should stay home more and stop the PR crap. You don't need all the PR crap if you have a great program. Get home and get your job done, boss!!

I like the talent, but do not like the one hit wonder routine we find ourselves in. Let's build a program for long term, not be depending on all the one year talent we bring in.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:18 pm

alasax wrote:Just teach, recruit, motivate, analyze, lay out a game plan, etc..

Like I said...truly a team sport

It really paid off in the last two games...

WeedKillinCat · Post by **WeedKillinCat** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:51 am

GrizinWashington wrote:
Bcat wrote:
BelgradeBobcat wrote:I think there's something going on off the field-these guys heads were not in the game at all. They're not playing for each other-they don't trust each other.

Kramer needs to stay on campus all week-no booster functions, no talk shows, just coaching. He better figure it out real quick because "the ship be sinkin'"
Agree. Coaches prepare programs, programs prepare players for games. I get tired of this blame on players. Cmon folks, do you want this program to improve, or do you want to stay emotionally attached to what is comfortable and pleasant?
Okay, this isn't intended to be smack, but I'm curious if anyone thinks this could be due to the heavy allotment of JC players. It's always been my impression that when the going gets tough, often juco guys seem to be looking out only for themselves, where 4 year guys tend to "buy in" to the program more. Your thoughts?

Also, I agree with the statment that Krames needs to stay on campus. I was shocked when I saw his travel schedule last week. When does he coach?

I don't look at it as smack. It is a good observation. Maybe with all these transfers coming in all they can do is look out for themselves...Sometimes I think the presure to win anymore forces programs, not necessarily MSU's, but all, to bring in one hit wonder players.

I haven't seen Kramers schedule, but maybe he should rethink his travel plans, and focus on what needs to be fixed.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:23 am

This has been the strangest start to a season I have ever seen. After the Colorado game, where the game started off like is was going to be a complete disaster, the Cats regained their composure and put together one hell of a game. It sure looked like the team had some fight and resiliency. It looked like a team that could shut the door on a team when it smelled a little blood. Now, we look like a team that is afraid to lose. When there is a big third down (either on offense or defense), we pretty much $hit down our leg.

First of all, it is difficult to lose your 3 best players - Groves, Lewis, and Force - all appear to be leaders on the field. I think due to the number of transfers and new starters on the team, Kramer and everybody else is still learning how individuals and the team as a whole respond to adversity and coaching styles. After listening to Kramer's post game comments with Atterberry, I get the sense the coaches will be doing more teaching this week (possibly vs ass chewing from last week?). I would guess there may be some personnel changes also. At the beginning of the game yesterday, it already looked like the most of team had their tail between their legs. I agree Kramer needs to cool down the dog and pony show and stay at home to teach and learn about this team.

The coaches definitely have their work cut out for them this week. They put in some new looks for the UC Davis game, and it really did not work out. The offense was confused on several of the formations, as well as the defense (and it really hurt with Force going out). The run defense was pretty good, but there was a lot of platooning going on and it appeared to hurt the pass coverages and pass rush. Third and long completions for UC Davis were amazing!

There is a pretty steep learning curve at the start of the season (especially as some players get hurt), I am going to hold off judgment on coaches to give them a chance to right the ship. I think we really need to support the players and coaches at this point. It is hard for anybody to have fun and play loose when coaches and players are trying so hard just to avoid the disappointment. It does look like we need to simplify some schemes based on newer personnel. I myself, at this point, am just hoping for strong effort and a competitive team that is fun to watch.

I did like the play of Tyler Lulay and Bryant Matthews at line backer (not on kick off handling duties

). I think Lulay can be our go-to guy on 3rd downs. Jefferson really stunk it up - I know everybody is enamored with his A1 physique, but his play yesterday was terrible. I'd rather go with some guys with some mental toughness like Lulay. Tolliver looked pretty good too.

I still have faith in Kramer and think we have some really good kids on the team. Let's turn this thing around! GO CATS!!

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:27 am

Fat Cat wrote:This has been the strangest start to a season I have ever seen. After the Colorado game, where the game started off like is was going to be a complete disaster, the Cats regained their composure and put together one hell of a game. It sure looked like the team had some fight and resiliency. It looked like a team that could shut the door on a team when it smelled a little blood. Now, we look like a team that is afraid to lose. When there is a big third down (either on offense or defense), we pretty much $hit down our leg.

what happened with that?

First of all, it is difficult to lose your 3 best players - Groves, Lewis, and Force - all appear to be leaders on the field. I think due to the number of transfers and new starters on the team, Kramer and everybody else is still learning how individuals and the team as a whole respond to adversity and coaching styles. After listening to Kramer's post game comments with Atterberry, I get the sense the coaches will be doing more teaching this week (possibly vs ass chewing from last week?). I would guess there may be some personnel changes also. At the beginning of the game yesterday, it already looked like the most of team had their tail between their legs. I agree Kramer needs to cool down the dog and pony show and stay at home to teach and learn about this team.

i agree with this also but he cant cool down the dog and ponyshow, that is how he sells msu football and gets donations...ect

The coaches definitely have their work cut out for them this week. They put in some new looks for the UC Davis game, and it really did not work out. The offense was confused on several of the formations, as well as the defense (and it really hurt with Force going out). The run defense was pretty good, but there was a lot of platooning going on and it appeared to hurt the pass coverages and pass rush. Third and long completions for UC Davis were amazing!

There is a pretty steep learning curve at the start of the season (especially as some players get hurt), I am going to hold off judgment on coaches to give them a chance to right the ship. I think we really need to support the players and coaches at this point. It is hard for anybody to have fun and play loose when coaches and players are trying so hard just to avoid the disappointment. It does look like we need to simplify some schemes based on newer personnel. I myself, at this point, am just hoping for strong effort and a competitive team that is fun to watch.

I did like the play of Tyler Lulay and Bryant Matthews at line backer (not on kick off handling duties ). I think Lulay can be our go-to guy on 3rd downs. Jefferson really stunk it up - I know everybody is enamored with his A1 physique, but his play yesterday was terrible. I'd rather go with some guys with some mental toughness like Lulay. Tolliver looked pretty good too.

I still have faith in Kramer and think we have some really good kids on the team. Let's turn this thing around! GO CATS!!

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:38 am

This thread is about a new OC, not Kramer. Bailey calls the plays. Where'd all the Kramer talk come from? And there is already a thread about this...

psufan10 · Post by **psufan10** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:44 am

not a good game, hopefully a better performance next week

bobcatbob · Post by **bobcatbob** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:59 am

Well it's conference time next week so we really need to right the ship in paractice this week. I think the coaches and the players need to do a better job. There does seem to be a lot of confusion on the defense on every play. They are always looking to the sideline and jumping aroun.and at times don't get the 11th man on the field until the last second.

I think the Christoff and Theilbar are still getting their act together and there inexperience is showing. The offense is another whole story. It can't get any worse than it was this past week!

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:22 pm

Our version of the spread is just like what got Glanville & June Jones run out of the NFL--the damn Mouse Davis run and shoot! I'd love to watch Bailey run out 10-15 yards on his stinking button hooks just to see how long it takes him to get gun shy

Recruit great receivers and leave them at the mercy of defensive secondary kids waiting to tee off hurts me to watch. OUCH!

Maybe next week we can try and not run it at all instead of 15 times (five by the quarterbacks) and talk about how our quarterback didn't have too bad a set of stats...or we could get back to basics and look at the entire concept of football as a team sport.

I felt the same frustration I saw Cliff's last year in Bozo...and we were only down 7-0 with less than three minutes left until halftime but our defense had been out there all but two and a half minutes? Maybe our offense had been on the field longer than that and those of us watching were wrong?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:26 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Our version of the spread is just like what got Glanville & June Jones run out of the NFL--the damn Mouse Davis run and shoot! I'd love to watch Bailey run out 10-15 yards on his stinking button hooks just to see how long it takes him to get gun shy Recruit great receivers and leave them at the mercy of defensive secondary kids waiting to tee off hurts me to watch. OUCH!

Maybe next week we can try and not run it at all instead of 15 times (five by the quarterbacks) and talk about how our quarterback didn't have too bad a set of stats...or we could get back to basics and look at the entire concept of football as a team sport.

i like the idea of kramer going back to 5 wr sets....

twentythreeOh4 · Post by **twentythreeOh4** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:28 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:The O-line looked good to me; they were not the problem today!

Wow, what game were you watching?

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:13 pm

Excuses! Every team loses players during a season. The griz lose the best running back in the league and their starting QB and still roll up 36 points beat a team they should beat. Do you seriously believe that with Groves and Lewis the game would have been different, well maybe they may scored at least one touchdown! Their problems go much deeper than a couple of injuries.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:55 pm

FootballFan wrote:

Excuses! Every team loses players during a season. The griz lose the best running back in the league and their starting QB and still roll up 36 points beat a team they should beat. Do you seriously believe that with Groves and Lewis the game would have been different, well maybe they may scored at least one touchdown! Their problems go much deeper than a couple of injuries.

Actually, I do think the game would have been different if we had our starters (including Force). However, the adjustments to use the personnel we do have, have not been real impressive either. I did think Kramer did a good job of accepting blame (on behalf of the coaching staff) on the radio post show. A lot of questions/problems in many areas, definitely - as Kramer acknowledged. We will see how deep our problems are over the next few weeks.

This is where good coaches show their mettle. But some players on the team really need to step up also. Hoping the Cats can turn it around. I really don't give a ****** what the Griz have done. The jury is still out on both teams.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:03 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Our version of the spread is just like what got Glanville & June Jones run out of the NFL--the damn Mouse Davis run and shoot! I'd love to watch Bailey run out 10-15 yards on his stinking button hooks just to see how long it takes him to get gun shy Recruit great receivers and leave them at the mercy of defensive secondary kids waiting to tee off hurts me to watch. OUCH!

Maybe next week we can try and not run it at all instead of 15 times (five by the quarterbacks) and talk about how our quarterback didn't have too bad a set of stats...or we could get back to basics and look at the entire concept of football as a team sport.

I felt the same frustration I saw Cliff's last year in Bozo...and we were only down 7-0 with less than three minutes left until halftime but our defense had been out there all but two and a half minutes? Maybe our offense had been on the field longer than that and those of us watching were wrong?

Boy do I agree with all that! I loved CU Davis' offense. Very basic-nothing fancy-just well executed and when they threw the ball it was down the field not a 2 yard completion only to have the WR blasted.

Our first downs are terrible. I think Dan Davies said we averaged negative yards on first down in the first half-so we're starting in a hole right off the bat.

The defense didn't play great, but they played well enough in first half-if only the offense could give them a blow now and then. They flat out gave up in the second half.

cat92 · Post by **cat92** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:21 pm

Even with changes to the defense..which we hope are positive...what are we doing to make sure the our offense becomes more successful? Does anyone know?