The NC Officiating in 4 Images

[ZebraCat]

'Odd' is a kind way of putting.

The fumble-forward for a TD still baffles me.

That one got me too. Is that just an NFL rule that the offense can't advance the ball on a fumble?

Yes, and it's only in the final 2 minutes of a half, or on 4th down.

Edit: It's not just an NFL rule, but the same restrictions apply.

[GoldstoneCat]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

[technoCat]

'Odd' is a kind way of putting.

The fumble-forward for a TD still baffles me.

That one got me too. Is that just an NFL rule that the offense can't advance the ball on a fumble?

It is how Chris Long got the one score against Yale I think.

[MrGoodKat]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

[cats2506]

'Odd' is a kind way of putting.

The fumble-forward for a TD still baffles me.

That one got me too. Is that just an NFL rule that the offense can't advance the ball on a fumble?

It is how Chris Long got the one score against Yale I think.

Completely different play, long got the ball in the air and was in the field and then fell into the endzone.

[justafan]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

100% what I told my buddy...they were doing the quick DL shift..

[Cataholic]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

The red part is key. I fully expect they were audible for the shift.

[BOBCATBORN]

Well, I thought their QB picked up the first down late in the 4th that forced the field goal try. So, maybe it all worked out???

I rewatched that today, he was actually given a more favorable spot than he should have been. Gave him about an extra half yard.

[asstastic]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

100% what I told my buddy...they were doing the quick DL shift..

It’s not going to be a DT clapping or yelling hut. It is defined as “exaggerated, excessive, or unnecessary movement simulating action at the snap” that happens simultaneous to a shift.

Excessive hand movement
Head Bob
Lunging forward
Safety clapping


The key is it’s choreographed simultaneously with a line shift.

[Go Kats]

I actually sat next to the referee for the game yesterday on my flight from Nashville to Dallas, super nice guy, very professional and he actually gave me some game souvenirs, including an extra game token they make for the FCS officials and coaches. I asked him about advancing the fumble and he confirmed that NCAA rules allow it to be advanced on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs, with a bunch of exceptions for end of half, PAT, etc. Since that play happened on 3rd down they were allowed to advance it for the TD. I also asked for his perception on the false starts. He did not think it was crowd noise related, but was the result of the defensive line stemming, especially the ones on JT, where he was rocking forward a little bit at the movement... he essentially ended up with the yips as someone said in another thread, he knew he couldn't snap it but couldn't stop with the rocking. I hadn't seen the replay yet, so some of the other calls from the game were sort of lost in the noise and the lack of PA and I didn't ask about them.

On a side note, he was also the referee for the USD/Cats semifinal game last year, it was his first time in Bozeman and he was very complimentary of the environment.

[84CatGrad]

It's the NC. Why not get a Big 10 or SEC crew?

[coloradocat]

It's the NC. Why not get a Big 10 or SEC crew?

That's what I was thinking. There are only two other crews in the entire country working this week. Get somebody good.

[ZebraCat]

It's the NC. Why not get a Big 10 or SEC crew?

That's what I was thinking. There are only two other crews in the entire country working this week. Get somebody good.

Good way to lose officials, which no sport at any level can a afford.

[RefWatch]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

100% what I told my buddy...they were doing the quick DL shift..

It’s not going to be a DT clapping or yelling hut. It is defined as “exaggerated, excessive, or unnecessary movement simulating action at the snap” that happens simultaneous to a shift.

Excessive hand movement
Head Bob
Lunging forward
Safety clapping


The key is it’s choreographed simultaneously with a line shift.

I looked at the false starts again, and there's only a single one that would meet this definition (only going by video, can't really separate out audio). The punt in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes left is the one. The LJ calls false start on a gunner, #3. The ISU player lined up across from him had simulated the snap by lunging like he's going to block and then falling back. This 100% falls under that rule, and a HUGE miss from the LJ. ISU #1 also gets in #3's face after the call, right next to the LJ. No reason for it other than to trash talk, but is completely ignored by the LJ.

[ZebraCat]

Unless a coach or player says otherwise, nobody will convince me they weren't simulating our snap count. We probably score on one more drive in the second half at least without all the false starts and the game never gets close. That clown crew being unwilling to call it on them would not shock me in the least.

Watching last night, the majority of the false starts resulted in reaction to well-timed DL shifts.

If that's all ISU was doing, it's totally within the rules and it's on MSU to clean that up.

If they were shifting and also simulating the count audibly, that's a penalty and a strategy that deserves zero respect.

But the reality is that it's a penalty that isn't called very often, so it's still incumbent on the MSU offensive line to be able to hold their water.

100% what I told my buddy...they were doing the quick DL shift..

It’s not going to be a DT clapping or yelling hut. It is defined as “exaggerated, excessive, or unnecessary movement simulating action at the snap” that happens simultaneous to a shift.

Excessive hand movement
Head Bob
Lunging forward
Safety clapping


The key is it’s choreographed simultaneously with a line shift.

I looked at the false starts again, and there's only a single one that would meet this definition (only going by video, can't really separate out audio). The punt in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes left is the one. The LJ calls false start on a gunner, #3. The ISU player lined up across from him had simulated the snap by lunging like he's going to block and then falling back. This 100% falls under that rule, and a HUGE miss from the LJ. ISU #1 also gets in #3's face after the call, right next to the LJ. No reason for it other than to trash talk, but is completely ignored by the LJ.

Not surprising, because the LJ was the worst oifficial on the field Monday night.

Yelling hut or clapping is also 100% a disconcerting act, especially near the LOS. The above claim that it's not by butt man is false.

[TomCat88]

The spot being bad isn't the biggest problem on this play, if it's the one I'm thinking of. ISU's first drive of the third quarter. No. 4 WR Lord, didn't have the ball secured when he landed out of bounds. I believe it should have been an incomplete pass.

Great job on the photos.

[ZebraCat]

The spot being bad isn't the biggest problem on this play, if it's the one I'm thinking of. ISU's first drive of the third quarter. No. 4 WR Lord, didn't have the ball secured when he landed out of bounds. I believe it should have been an incomplete pass.

Great job on the photos.

I thought the same thing about that catch watching the replay of the game. Looked like the hit and the ground both caused a small bobble. There should have been about 5 reviews in this game, 4 of them should have been for thr spot of the ball. If the NFL can replay assist to move a ball 1/4 of a yard, we should be able to review a spot for a 1/2 yard to a yard, and catch no catch on a bobble.

[coloradocat]

It's the NC. Why not get a Big 10 or SEC crew?

That's what I was thinking. There are only two other crews in the entire country working this week. Get somebody good.

Good way to lose officials, which no sport at any level can a afford.

I guess but are the FBS officials not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA? Earlier this season there was discussion about the impact of the old PAC teams moving to the BIG 10 depleting the ref pool because the BSC shares with the western FBS conferences. That makes it seem like they are all kind of jumbled together to some degree.

The NCAA should ensure their championships are conducted at a championship level. I assume we already didn't get the best FCS crew in the country since they weren't BSC or MVFC due to the teams playing.

[TomCat88]

The spot being bad isn't the biggest problem on this play, if it's the one I'm thinking of. ISU's first drive of the third quarter. No. 4 WR Lord, didn't have the ball secured when he landed out of bounds. I believe it should have been an incomplete pass.

Great job on the photos.

I thought the same thing about that catch watching the replay of the game. Looked like the hit and the ground both caused a small bobble. There should have been about 5 reviews in this game, 4 of them should have been for thr spot of the ball. If the NFL can replay assist to move a ball 1/4 of a yard, we should be able to review a spot for a 1/2 yard to a yard, and catch no catch on a bobble.

The BSC reviewed a play on a catch in the NAU game for a long time and ruled it incomplete. It was pass to Long and he lost it out of bounds clearly. They took all day to review that, but they don't even review this one.

[ZebraCat]

It's the NC. Why not get a Big 10 or SEC crew?

That's what I was thinking. There are only two other crews in the entire country working this week. Get somebody good.

Good way to lose officials, which no sport at any level can a afford.

I guess but are the FBS officials not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA? Earlier this season there was discussion about the impact of the old PAC teams moving to the BIG 10 depleting the ref pool because the BSC shares with the western FBS conferences. That makes it seem like they are all kind of jumbled together to some degree.

The NCAA should ensure their championships are conducted at a championship level. I assume we already didn't get the best FCS crew in the country since they weren't BSC or MVFC due to the teams playing.

For football, each conference, both FBS and FCS, has a director of officials, and/or an assigner. The director may do both, especially at the FCS level. Each FCS conference is "partnered" with at least one FBS conference for development and advancement of officials. In the past, the BSC worked with the MWC and PAC. Officials that the MWC and PAC identified as future officials would start in the BSC and work as alternates for crews in the MWC after two of three years. The same was true of MWC officials working in the PAC. That will probably be full go again next season. The PAC will get the best of those officials that the Big 10 doesn't use very often, the next best will be MWC officials, and the rest will remain in the BSC. Yes, the officials all fall under NCAA jurisdiction, but they are all lead and directed by their own leaders. The FBS leaders would be sending a strong and poor message to their FCS counterparts if they jumped in and took the championship game.

The championship game also rotates through each conference that accepts a bid to the playoffs. There are some stipulations, which is why you will never see a Pioneer crew on a title game. It was the Southland's year, and apparently they suck as a conference.