Does Ah Yat Crumble

[MTnative]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

[Catsrgrood]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

I agree. The guy isn't going to crumble. But it's going to be eye-opening for him for sure. Wa-griz is a difficult environment, one that worries me more than their actual football team; but let's not act like it's impossible to play there. Teams score touchdowns in there. Some even win games there. The place will be rocking no doubt, but I'm confident in this entire teams ability to weather the storm. They do and they win.

In regards to Ah Yat, I also don't see him crumbling. But the Cat-griz GAME is much bigger than the homefield crowd regardless of what some griz fans may think. This is a huge moment and a huge game for every player on both teams. It will obviously be more favorable for the home quarterback, but we can't ignore the fact that Ah Yat has never been in a game like this in his life. He's going to have to rise to the occasion just like everyone else.

Lamson has played at SMU, Oregon (twice), Clemson, Notre Dame and Syracuse to name a few. I think he can handle crowds. One thing that no Bobcat QB has ever had at WaGriz is in helmet communication. I know it stops 15 seconds before the play clock runs out or the snap, but I have to think that will help some?

Agree on the helmet communication. Disagree on the rest as has been discussed on another thread. It's NOT the size of the crowd. It's the energy and hostility in addition to extreme noise. I can assure you that Stanford/Syracuse wasn't as nuts as Saturday is going to be.

This isn't to suggest that Lamson can't handle it. He can and I expect him to play well. But people need to stop just throwing out big stadiums and suggesting it's the same as the Brawl. It's just not.

Maybe I’m wrong, but it feels like the answer is somewhere in the middle here.

Cat/griz will undoubtedly be the most intense, probably loudest environment he’s played in.

But I’d expect a 5th year player that has played in multiple large FBS stadiums that can get loud in their own right to be able to handle the Cat/griz environment better than someone that has never experienced any of those other big crowd games.

Put simply, on a ranking of 1-10 for intensity, this game will be a 10.

I’d rather have a seasoned qb that has played in multiple games that are 6’s and 7’s vs a qb that has never played a single game above a 4.

[ilovethecats]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

I agree. The guy isn't going to crumble. But it's going to be eye-opening for him for sure. Wa-griz is a difficult environment, one that worries me more than their actual football team; but let's not act like it's impossible to play there. Teams score touchdowns in there. Some even win games there. The place will be rocking no doubt, but I'm confident in this entire teams ability to weather the storm. They do and they win.

In regards to Ah Yat, I also don't see him crumbling. But the Cat-griz GAME is much bigger than the homefield crowd regardless of what some griz fans may think. This is a huge moment and a huge game for every player on both teams. It will obviously be more favorable for the home quarterback, but we can't ignore the fact that Ah Yat has never been in a game like this in his life. He's going to have to rise to the occasion just like everyone else.

Lamson has played at SMU, Oregon (twice), Clemson, Notre Dame and Syracuse to name a few. I think he can handle crowds. One thing that no Bobcat QB has ever had at WaGriz is in helmet communication. I know it stops 15 seconds before the play clock runs out or the snap, but I have to think that will help some?

Agree on the helmet communication. Disagree on the rest as has been discussed on another thread. It's NOT the size of the crowd. It's the energy and hostility in addition to extreme noise. I can assure you that Stanford/Syracuse wasn't as nuts as Saturday is going to be.

This isn't to suggest that Lamson can't handle it. He can and I expect him to play well. But people need to stop just throwing out big stadiums and suggesting it's the same as the Brawl. It's just not.

Maybe I’m wrong, but it feels like the answer is somewhere in the middle here.

Cat/griz will undoubtedly be the most intense, probably loudest environment he’s played in.

But I’d expect a 5th year player that has played in multiple large FBS stadiums that can get loud in their own right to be able to handle the Cat/griz environment better than someone that has never experienced any of those other big crowd games.

Put simply, on a ranking of 1-10 for intensity, this game will be a 10.

I’d rather have a seasoned qb that has played in multiple games that are 6’s and 7’s vs a qb that has never played a single game above a 4.

No doubt. Which is why I said I expect him to play well. I just think people pointing out bigger stadiums than Wa-griz in this discussion is a moot point. It's a disservice to the rivalry in my opinion. Saturday will be louder and crazier than any environment Lansom has played in. That's why it's an incredible rivalry. And I fully expect our qb and everyone else to adjust to it and play to the level they are capable of.

[MrGoodKat]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

[MrGoodKat]

No doubt. Which is why I said I expect him to play well. I just think people pointing out bigger stadiums than Wa-griz in this discussion is a moot point. It's a disservice to the rivalry in my opinion. Saturday will be louder and crazier than any environment Lansom has played in. That's why it's an incredible rivalry. And I fully expect our qb and everyone else to adjust to it and play to the level they are capable of.

This. It's helpful that Lamson has played in big, hostile environments, but they can't replicate the rivalry.

[BOBCATBORN]

It seems like this thread has shifted from its purpose "Will Ah Yat Crumble". Pretty sure there is another thread talking about Lamson.

This will be by far the biggest game Ah Yat will have played in and by far the toughest defense. He didn't look great against the UND defense (granted it was early in the season) and outside of the first few possessions against Eastern he looked pedestrian. I think if the Griz can't get the run game going he is going to struggle and I think very similar to what you saw against UND, hes going to make mistakes. If we capitalize on those, it could be a long day for him.

[MTnative]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

[hilinegrizfan]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

[Monymony]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

[saintcat40]

In that 2023 game, we were hit with some SERIOUS injuries by that time of the year. We were down our two starting tight ends (?Snell and Pickering?) who were a huge part of our offense in the running game. I believe Polidore was already hurt as well, and our defense was substantially worse when he was not on the field.

[OldGriz]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

Lamson has looked uncomfortable at times (UC Davis, etc.). It will be fun to watch him operate in an environment like he has never before heard or seen. I hope he’s not googling anything about Tony Romo’s or Carson Wenz’ experiences on the Montana home turf. They have some classic quotes about the decibel levels on the days they were defeated in Missoula.

[nanacat]

I think Ah Yat will find himself pressured a lot and it will cause errant throws. He may not be on his back a lot, but I think he'll be rushed. Look for at least 1 INT, if not more.

[Catsrgrood]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Wortham?

The dude could go off, he’s good. But it’s not like he’s torn it up against everyone he’s faced.

He’s had some big games and he’s had some sleepers.

UND, Idaho, Weber, even against PSU he didn’t do a lot.

His biggest games are against a vaunted D2 team, and the elite FCS defenses of ISU, Sacred Heart and Sac St.

I like the Cats defense’s odds to hold him in check. We shall see.

[MrGoodKat]

That unit was way more one dimensional

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

I think both of these things are true. But the fact of the matter is that the offense has fallen apart in Missoula the last two times the Cats have been there. So even though I don't necessarily expect it to happen this time, it's still fair to wonder about.

I guess my point is that it's hard to call something a ginned up narrative if it's something that's taken place in recent history.

Like when the Griz come to Bozeman next year, it will be fair to ask "is thing going to be another beatdown?" because it's happened three times in a row.

[ilovethecats]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

Lamson has looked uncomfortable at times (UC Davis, etc.). It will be fun to watch him operate in an environment like he has never before heard or seen. I hope he’s not googling anything about Tony Romo’s or Carson Wenz’ experiences on the Montana home turf. They have some classic quotes about the decibel levels on the days they were defeated in Missoula.

You're not wrong OG. That's why Wa-griz is a special place and why I'm more worried about the fans than the team.

But as I pointed out in another thread, this GAME is much bigger than the noise. I haven't watched enough of the griz this year to see how Ah Yat has played every game. I'm guessing he has probably looked uncomfortable too. So while he has an advantage of being at home, it's true that HE has never operated in a game like this either. I'm not suggesting that he can't rise to the occasion. But this rivalry is more than just the game, and MANY of the players on both sides are going to need to handle playing in an electric environment unlike any other. That is a testament to your fanbase, but more to the rivalry itself.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Not sure we need it. Every QB we’ve faced has done worse than their average, with the exclusion of Jordan Cooke who racked up around 60 garbage tune yards against backups.

Pinnick of UC Davis leads the conference in passing yards per game and we handled him fine. The Griz will get theirs, but you haven’t played a defense like us yet. We’ve faced a better QB already. I’m not too worried.

[MTnative]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

Cats defense is also better this year. If the offense sputters early the defense can absolutely keep it close, especially if they pressure ah yat and Wortham is held in check.

good luck with that

Cats D is light years better than ANYTHING the gris have faced this year. I watched both the ISU and EWU games and the Cats will absolutely be better than both those teams by a wide margin.

Good luck indeed.

[OldGriz]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

Lamson has looked uncomfortable at times (UC Davis, etc.). It will be fun to watch him operate in an environment like he has never before heard or seen. I hope he’s not googling anything about Tony Romo’s or Carson Wenz’ experiences on the Montana home turf. They have some classic quotes about the decibel levels on the days they were defeated in Missoula.

You're not wrong OG. That's why Wa-griz is a special place and why I'm more worried about the fans than the team.

But as I pointed out in another thread, this GAME is much bigger than the noise. I haven't watched enough of the griz this year to see how Ah Yat has played every game. I'm guessing he has probably looked uncomfortable too. So while he has an advantage of being at home, it's true that HE has never operated in a game like this either. I'm not suggesting that he can't rise to the occasion. But this rivalry is more than just the game, and MANY of the players on both sides are going to need to handle playing in an electric environment unlike any other. That is a testament to your fanbase, but more to the rivalry itself.

All good. And I really just meant that Lamson will not be able to hear or be heard. Ah Yat will. That might not seem like a big, but it can be.

[ilovethecats]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

Lamson has looked uncomfortable at times (UC Davis, etc.). It will be fun to watch him operate in an environment like he has never before heard or seen. I hope he’s not googling anything about Tony Romo’s or Carson Wenz’ experiences on the Montana home turf. They have some classic quotes about the decibel levels on the days they were defeated in Missoula.

You're not wrong OG. That's why Wa-griz is a special place and why I'm more worried about the fans than the team.

But as I pointed out in another thread, this GAME is much bigger than the noise. I haven't watched enough of the griz this year to see how Ah Yat has played every game. I'm guessing he has probably looked uncomfortable too. So while he has an advantage of being at home, it's true that HE has never operated in a game like this either. I'm not suggesting that he can't rise to the occasion. But this rivalry is more than just the game, and MANY of the players on both sides are going to need to handle playing in an electric environment unlike any other. That is a testament to your fanbase, but more to the rivalry itself.

All good. And I really just meant that Lamson will not be able to hear or be heard. Ah Yat will. That might not seem like a big, but it can be.

No disagreement there. Homefield advantage will be huge as it always is. That's why this one is so special. All of us can talk all week long about why we're going to win and who does what better. It will always come down to who can execute in the environment and who can withstand adversity. We can't let the wheels fall off when you guys get momentum.

God I can't wait!

[catatac]

I know Wa/Griz can be a difficult to play, but this whole “does justin lamson crumble” narrative is stupid.

This.

That offense has too many pieces for anybody to “crumble.” This is just another broken talking point that people make up to drum up controversy.

I'm not so sure about this. The 2023 MSU offense was also stacked and they fell apart in Missoula.

That doesn't guarantee that it will happen to Lamson and this offense, but it's not a baseless narrative.

That unit was way more one dimensional

Lamson has looked uncomfortable at times (UC Davis, etc.). It will be fun to watch him operate in an environment like he has never before heard or seen. I hope he’s not googling anything about Tony Romo’s or Carson Wenz’ experiences on the Montana home turf. They have some classic quotes about the decibel levels on the days they were defeated in Missoula.

You're not wrong OG. That's why Wa-griz is a special place and why I'm more worried about the fans than the team.

But as I pointed out in another thread, this GAME is much bigger than the noise. I haven't watched enough of the griz this year to see how Ah Yat has played every game. I'm guessing he has probably looked uncomfortable too. So while he has an advantage of being at home, it's true that HE has never operated in a game like this either. I'm not suggesting that he can't rise to the occasion. But this rivalry is more than just the game, and MANY of the players on both sides are going to need to handle playing in an electric environment unlike any other. That is a testament to your fanbase, but more to the rivalry itself.

All good. And I really just meant that Lamson will not be able to hear or be heard. Ah Yat will. That might not seem like a big, but it can be.

He'll be able to hear fine due to the earpiece, but him communicating with the other players will be challenging, as usual when playing there.