FCS Games 11/9

[RKMCMT]

It's pretty amazing how much impact one ETSU onside kick muff probably had on the whole top 10 this year.

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

Considering where UCD and gris are currently ranked, which win/loss between those two give us the chance to have higher quality wins? Of course the Cats need to win out. If UCD wins, they stay at 4. How far do the gris fall? 10-11? If grid win, how high do they climb and how far does UCD drop. We need them both as highly ranked as possible to help separate MSU from SDSU potentially climbing due to their SOS. I realize we’re solidly at #2 right now and that’s good. BUT what if we blow out the last three and NDSU scrapes by. Can we move into #1?

I’ve been thinking about this for a few weeks, and I don’t think there’s a clear answer. If the Griz win against UC Davis, both teams would probably be ranked top 10 at the time we play them. Assuming we win both, that would be 3 top 10 wins. Is that better than 2 top 10 wins, but with a win over the #4? I think it’s just a matter of taste, and unfortunately the committee has a taste for bison.

I think the committee has already told us that they are going to put NDSU at #1 if they win out. NDSU also plays Missouri State, who would likely be a Top 10 team if they were eligible. The committee will take that into account as another ranked win for NDSU if they win that game.

That isn't necessarily true. They ranked based on where teams were at that point. With some head to head meetings left almost impossible to end up with seeds exactly as they have them since one team has to lose those. Cats have the 1 top 10 ranked and 1 FBS win. With 2 top 10 matches left if Cats win and depending on how they do it, that can swing the committee

The problem is NDSU plays Missouri St and South Dakota to end the season. USD will almost certainly be top 10 at that point, and Mo St would be ranked (probably top 15) if not for moving to the FBS next season. So the Bison have the same potential to add to their resume as the Cats do. NDSU will end up (assuming they don’t lose) with four then-ranked wins, three ranked wins and two wins over teams receiving votes. MSU could have three ranked win (with probably two but maybe three top-10 wins), but no RV wins and the FBS win.

I think that MSU’s resume deserves serious consideration as the number one seed (again assuming the Cats win out), but clearly the committee values NDSU’s resume over the Cats and if both teams win out, I don’t think that will change

[94VegasCat]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

[Montanabob]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

i say gris lose 2 out of three and struggle against PSU.

[tetoncat]

Considering where UCD and gris are currently ranked, which win/loss between those two give us the chance to have higher quality wins? Of course the Cats need to win out. If UCD wins, they stay at 4. How far do the gris fall? 10-11? If grid win, how high do they climb and how far does UCD drop. We need them both as highly ranked as possible to help separate MSU from SDSU potentially climbing due to their SOS. I realize we’re solidly at #2 right now and that’s good. BUT what if we blow out the last three and NDSU scrapes by. Can we move into #1?

I’ve been thinking about this for a few weeks, and I don’t think there’s a clear answer. If the Griz win against UC Davis, both teams would probably be ranked top 10 at the time we play them. Assuming we win both, that would be 3 top 10 wins. Is that better than 2 top 10 wins, but with a win over the #4? I think it’s just a matter of taste, and unfortunately the committee has a taste for bison.

I think the committee has already told us that they are going to put NDSU at #1 if they win out. NDSU also plays Missouri State, who would likely be a Top 10 team if they were eligible. The committee will take that into account as another ranked win for NDSU if they win that game.

That isn't necessarily true. They ranked based on where teams were at that point. With some head to head meetings left almost impossible to end up with seeds exactly as they have them since one team has to lose those. Cats have the 1 top 10 ranked and 1 FBS win. With 2 top 10 matches left if Cats win and depending on how they do it, that can swing the committee

The problem is NDSU plays Missouri St and South Dakota to end the season. USD will almost certainly be top 10 at that point, and Mo St would be ranked (probably top 15) if not for moving to the FBS next season. So the Bison have the same potential to add to their resume as the Cats do. NDSU will end up (assuming they don’t lose) with four then-ranked wins, three ranked wins and two wins over teams receiving votes. MSU could have three ranked win (with probably two but maybe three top-10 wins), but no RV wins and the FBS win.

I think that MSU’s resume deserves serious consideration as the number one seed (again assuming the Cats win out), but clearly the committee values NDSU’s resume over the Cats and if both teams win out, I don’t think that will change

They have valued it so far. My only point is if both win out but Cats win by 10 + for example in both ranked games and NDSU struggles to close wins that can change. An undefeated Cat team with FBS win and no close FCS wins would be hard to not put 1.

[RickRund]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

i say gris lose 2 out of three and struggle against PSU.

I would love to see the gris pull off the trifecta. They will need to play fairly errorless ball to win any of their remaining games. PSU will score if the gris have many brain farts. UCD I think will win and the CATS will definitely win. The gris will need to play near errorless ball to beat the Aggies. It will be an interesting few weeks.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I think it’s best if Davis wins this week. Beating a top 5 team on the road is a good one for the resume.

[catatac]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

i say gris lose 2 out of three and struggle against PSU.

I would love to see the gris pull off the trifecta. They will need to play fairly errorless ball to win any of their remaining games. PSU will score if the gris have many brain farts. UCD I think will win and the CATS will definitely win. The gris will need to play near errorless ball to beat the Aggies. It will be an interesting few weeks.

Boy, I don't know. I certainly hope that's the case but I'm not convinced about how good UCD is. Yes, they may not have to be world beaters to beat UM, I mean Weber did it in Missoula and Weber is terrible. However, I do think the Griz have gotten some key players back on defense and that might be all they needed to be a solid D once again. Saturday night game in that place, probably 8:30 kickoff, fans will be completely sauced up... that game will tell us a LOT.

[CodyCat]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

i say gris lose 2 out of three and struggle against PSU.

I would love to see the gris pull off the trifecta. They will need to play fairly errorless ball to win any of their remaining games. PSU will score if the gris have many brain farts. UCD I think will win and the CATS will definitely win. The gris will need to play near errorless ball to beat the Aggies. It will be an interesting few weeks.

Boy, I don't know. I certainly hope that's the case but I'm not convinced about how good UCD is. Yes, they may not have to be world beaters to beat UM, I mean Weber did it in Missoula and Weber is terrible. However, I do think the Griz have gotten some key players back on defense and that might be all they needed to be a solid D once again. Saturday night game in that place, probably 8:30 kickoff, fans will be completely sauced up... that game will tell us a LOT.

I agree. I may actually watch the gris game. Would be the first in years.

[Montanabob]

Does our strength of schedule take a beating or does Lincoln?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/g ... mercyhurst

[AFCAT]

Does our strength of schedule take a beating or does Lincoln?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/g ... mercyhurst

The Lincoln University in California team isn’t a real football team, it’s a money making scam. NAU played Lincoln this season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 320308007/

[Montanabob]

Does our strength of schedule take a beating or does Lincoln?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/g ... mercyhurst

The Lincoln University in California team isn’t a real football team, it’s a money making scam. NAU played Lincoln this season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 320308007/

i know that. but can Mercyhurts pull off a win?

[AFCAT]

Does our strength of schedule take a beating or does Lincoln?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/g ... mercyhurst

The Lincoln University in California team isn’t a real football team, it’s a money making scam. NAU played Lincoln this season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 320308007/

i know that. but can Mercyhurts pull off a win?

My mother and 10 of her friends could beat Lincoln.

[Catprint]

Considering where UCD and gris are currently ranked, which win/loss between those two give us the chance to have higher quality wins? Of course the Cats need to win out. If UCD wins, they stay at 4. How far do the gris fall? 10-11? If grid win, how high do they climb and how far does UCD drop. We need them both as highly ranked as possible to help separate MSU from SDSU potentially climbing due to their SOS. I realize we’re solidly at #2 right now and that’s good. BUT what if we blow out the last three and NDSU scrapes by. Can we move into #1?

I’ve been thinking about this for a few weeks, and I don’t think there’s a clear answer. If the Griz win against UC Davis, both teams would probably be ranked top 10 at the time we play them. Assuming we win both, that would be 3 top 10 wins. Is that better than 2 top 10 wins, but with a win over the #4? I think it’s just a matter of taste, and unfortunately the committee has a taste for bison.

I think the committee has already told us that they are going to put NDSU at #1 if they win out. NDSU also plays Missouri State, who would likely be a Top 10 team if they were eligible. The committee will take that into account as another ranked win for NDSU if they win that game.

That isn't necessarily true. They ranked based on where teams were at that point. With some head to head meetings left almost impossible to end up with seeds exactly as they have them since one team has to lose those. Cats have the 1 top 10 ranked and 1 FBS win. With 2 top 10 matches left if Cats win and depending on how they do it, that can swing the committee

The problem is NDSU plays Missouri St and South Dakota to end the season. USD will almost certainly be top 10 at that point, and Mo St would be ranked (probably top 15) if not for moving to the FBS next season. So the Bison have the same potential to add to their resume as the Cats do. NDSU will end up (assuming they don’t lose) with four then-ranked wins, three ranked wins and two wins over teams receiving votes. MSU could have three ranked win (with probably two but maybe three top-10 wins), but no RV wins and the FBS win.

I think that MSU’s resume deserves serious consideration as the number one seed (again assuming the Cats win out), but clearly the committee values NDSU’s resume over the Cats and if both teams win out, I don’t think that will change

They have valued it so far. My only point is if both win out but Cats win by 10 + for example in both ranked games and NDSU struggles to close wins that can change. An undefeated Cat team with FBS win and no close FCS wins would be hard to not put 1.

Pretty much says it all. NDSU gets #1 seed if both teams win out. The reason SOS and top opponents records (Gris and Idaho; not Utah Tech or MercyHurst) matter is if the Cats drop one game. I think it is at least 50/50 the Cats drop one of their last two games. In that case, we need lots of things to go our way in order to get even a #3 or #4 seed. The odds of a number 2 seed is really low. We would need to have Gris beat Davis, Davis beat Cats (our loss), Cats beat the Gris (handily), Idaho to drop a game (PSU) then...USD to lose both to UND and NDSU; maybe hope SDSU loses to MoState, URI lose to Delaware and Mercer play poorly. That leaves NDSU, SDSU, Davis, MSU, Gris and SEMO competing for a top 4 seed. In this scenario, I see it as NDSU #1; Davis #2; Cats #3; SDSU #4; SEMO #5; Gris #6. But SOS, quality wins, ranked wins will all figure in who gets #3/#4 and #5/#6. Just hard to see the committee giving the Cats #2 seed at 11-1 over a Davis team at 10-2 with a win over the Cats. But the resumes will look very similar. SDSU might very well slip into the #2 seed at 10-2.

[BelgradeBobcat]

Not FCS and probably doesn't matter, but New Mexico just beat San Diego State 21-16 on the road. They're 4-6 with 2 games left against Wazzu and at Hawaii. Looking like their loss to MSU will cost them a bowl game, but they've done better this season than a lot thought they would.

[Monymony]

Not FCS and probably doesn't matter, but New Mexico just beat San Diego State 21-16 on the road. They're 4-6 with 2 games left against Wazzu and at Hawaii. Looking like their loss to MSU will cost them a bowl game, but they've done better this season than a lot thought they would.

Does anyone know if a FCS team beat a FBS team that will finish at or above .500… if we are the only ones then that “awful” FBS team starts to look not half bad

[ike11ike]

Considering where UCD and gris are currently ranked, which win/loss between those two give us the chance to have higher quality wins? Of course the Cats need to win out. If UCD wins, they stay at 4. How far do the gris fall? 10-11? If grid win, how high do they climb and how far does UCD drop. We need them both as highly ranked as possible to help separate MSU from SDSU potentially climbing due to their SOS. I realize we’re solidly at #2 right now and that’s good. BUT what if we blow out the last three and NDSU scrapes by. Can we move into #1?

I’ve been thinking about this for a few weeks, and I don’t think there’s a clear answer. If the Griz win against UC Davis, both teams would probably be ranked top 10 at the time we play them. Assuming we win both, that would be 3 top 10 wins. Is that better than 2 top 10 wins, but with a win over the #4? I think it’s just a matter of taste, and unfortunately the committee has a taste for bison.

I think the committee has already told us that they are going to put NDSU at #1 if they win out. NDSU also plays Missouri State, who would likely be a Top 10 team if they were eligible. The committee will take that into account as another ranked win for NDSU if they win that game.

That isn't necessarily true. They ranked based on where teams were at that point. With some head to head meetings left almost impossible to end up with seeds exactly as they have them since one team has to lose those. Cats have the 1 top 10 ranked and 1 FBS win. With 2 top 10 matches left if Cats win and depending on how they do it, that can swing the committee

The problem is NDSU plays Missouri St and South Dakota to end the season. USD will almost certainly be top 10 at that point, and Mo St would be ranked (probably top 15) if not for moving to the FBS next season. So the Bison have the same potential to add to their resume as the Cats do. NDSU will end up (assuming they don’t lose) with four then-ranked wins, three ranked wins and two wins over teams receiving votes. MSU could have three ranked win (with probably two but maybe three top-10 wins), but no RV wins and the FBS win.

I think that MSU’s resume deserves serious consideration as the number one seed (again assuming the Cats win out), but clearly the committee values NDSU’s resume over the Cats and if both teams win out, I don’t think that will change

They have valued it so far. My only point is if both win out but Cats win by 10 + for example in both ranked games and NDSU struggles to close wins that can change. An undefeated Cat team with FBS win and no close FCS wins would be hard to not put 1.

Pretty much says it all. NDSU gets #1 seed if both teams win out. The reason SOS and top opponents records (Gris and Idaho; not Utah Tech or MercyHurst) matter is if the Cats drop one game. I think it is at least 50/50 the Cats drop one of their last two games. In that case, we need lots of things to go our way in order to get even a #3 or #4 seed. The odds of a number 2 seed is really low. We would need to have Gris beat Davis, Davis beat Cats (our loss), Cats beat the Gris (handily), Idaho to drop a game (PSU) then...USD to lose both to UND and NDSU; maybe hope SDSU loses to MoState, URI lose to Delaware and Mercer play poorly. That leaves NDSU, SDSU, Davis, MSU, Gris and SEMO competing for a top 4 seed. In this scenario, I see it as NDSU #1; Davis #2; Cats #3; SDSU #4; SEMO #5; Gris #6. But SOS, quality wins, ranked wins will all figure in who gets #3/#4 and #5/#6. Just hard to see the committee giving the Cats #2 seed at 11-1 over a Davis team at 10-2 with a win over the Cats. But the resumes will look very similar. SDSU might very well slip into the #2 seed at 10-2.

Cats are going 12-0, dawg

[ClowderUp]

Not FCS and probably doesn't matter, but New Mexico just beat San Diego State 21-16 on the road. They're 4-6 with 2 games left against Wazzu and at Hawaii. Looking like their loss to MSU will cost them a bowl game, but they've done better this season than a lot thought they would.

Blowing a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter at home against Wyoming hurt the Lobos as bad or worse than the loss to the Cats. UNM should be sitting at 4-2 in the conference right now. Man that was painful last week. Great win this week.

[BFcatfan]

I'd like to see Idaho play well, although I'm not too sure about that game. PSU is dangerous unless defenses are completely locked in. Need the Vandals to win out to help our quality wins category.

We control our own destiny. We win out we don't need help. It's that simple

[BFcatfan]

So what you’re saying is there’s a chance. I forgot that the gris play PSU. A UCD win over the gris, gris win over PSU most likely keeps the turds inside the Top 10. I think the Cats need to put the boots to the next three if they want to be #1. I think being #1 should probably mean that we’d only need to beat one of the DSU’s.

i say gris lose 2 out of three and struggle against PSU.

I would love to see the gris pull off the trifecta. They will need to play fairly errorless ball to win any of their remaining games. PSU will score if the gris have many brain farts. UCD I think will win and the CATS will definitely win. The gris will need to play near errorless ball to beat the Aggies. It will be an interesting few weeks.

Boy, I don't know. I certainly hope that's the case but I'm not convinced about how good UCD is. Yes, they may not have to be world beaters to beat UM, I mean Weber did it in Missoula and Weber is terrible. However, I do think the Griz have gotten some key players back on defense and that might be all they needed to be a solid D once again. Saturday night game in that place, probably 8:30 kickoff, fans will be completely sauced up... that game will tell us a LOT.

I don't see the the Gris losing a night game at home at this point in the season. I hope I'm wrong though..