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Re: We Believe!

Post by Helcat72 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:34 pm

I hope the Griz take their shoes into consideration....it's turf like a golf green. It does not hold up under sharp cuts like artificial turf. It really lends an advantage to big power teams that run down hill.
Of course it was wet when we played making things worse for teams depending on lateral speed. It remains to be seen if the Griz can adapt to the conditions as well as someone who has been there before.

Only 2 speed teams have won the championship since 2010, EWU and Sam Houston. EWU beat Delaware (non Missouri Valley team) 20-19, and Sam Houston beat SDSU in the spring covid game when NDSU played their "B" squad for that whole season. It was SDSU's first time there (as well as Sam's), but they also lost Gronowski when they were ahead in that game like we lost Tommy in the middle of a successful drive.
So it goes a long way to suggest that the stadium is a perfect venue for the way MVFC teams are built.
UM better be ready to slug it out!


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Re: We Believe!

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:21 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:35 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
Yeah you're right about fan support. SDSU got really good really fast and I think their more casual fans are still figuring out how to be fans! Plus NDSU is in Fargo, which is more than twice the size of Bozeman, and more than 5 times the size of Brookings.
Jacks fans use this excuse about the support all the time. Sioux Falls is about an hr away and has almost 200K people. I bet half of Bobcat stadium drives further than an hr to go to the game. Its a lame excuse.
My guess is Sioux Falls isn’t anywhere near as involved or interested with sdsu as Fargo is with ndsu.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by kennethnoisewater » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:28 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:35 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
Yeah you're right about fan support. SDSU got really good really fast and I think their more casual fans are still figuring out how to be fans! Plus NDSU is in Fargo, which is more than twice the size of Bozeman, and more than 5 times the size of Brookings.
Jacks fans use this excuse about the support all the time. Sioux Falls is about an hr away and has almost 200K people. I bet half of Bobcat stadium drives further than an hr to go to the game. Its a lame excuse.
Well I think that's where the other part of it comes in. You've got to have 20,000 die hard fans willing to drive more than an hour, and I don't think they've developed that kind of fan base in a short amount of time. They were Division II just a few years ago, just like NDSU (who can't sell out the Fargodome half the time despite being the best FCS program ever). When you're building you need those casual fans who will be coming from just down the road. I also think Brookings unfortunately isn't much of a destination...Bozeman and Missoula are fun places to visit and it makes for a fun weekend. Brookings, however.....woof. I also think it would help to have a bar or two within walking distance of the stadium. Their stadium is VERY nice and their tailgating is good, but tailgating is for the fans who have a plan. Fans who know the drill and have all the gear, or at least know somebody who does. If you're not tailgating at MSU you're at Specs. If you don't have that plan in Brookings you just walk around aimlessly...trust me we did it this fall. SDSU has its die-hards, they just need to get that next 8,000 or so people engaged and incentivized to get to the game.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm

aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by thefrank1 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:51 pm

I thought that the griz defensive scheme is borrowed from the Jack's. If that is the case, sdsu should be better equipped to deal with their defense.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by MinnesotaJack » Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by catatac » Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:26 pm

MinnesotaJack wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.
I posted the condensed replay from last year in a different thread but man it looked to me like SDSU fans outnumbered NDSU fans considerably? Maybe it was just the angles they were showing, not sure. I would be surprised if the Griz fans outnumber SDSU though, who knows.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by Justwinbaby » Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am

AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
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REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by Bocephus » Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:33 am

MinnesotaJack wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.
This gris teams MO is play good defense, don’t turn the ball over and wait for special teams to make a play to keep you in the game. If the Jacks decide to kick it to Bergen it could make this game interesting. If not, I would bet gris offense has lots of problems moving the sticks.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by MinnesotaJack » Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:19 am

catatac wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:26 pm
MinnesotaJack wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.
I posted the condensed replay from last year in a different thread but man it looked to me like SDSU fans outnumbered NDSU fans considerably? Maybe it was just the angles they were showing, not sure. I would be surprised if the Griz fans outnumber SDSU though, who knows.
Our allotment was on the side of the stadium the TV cameras point to, so it probably looked like a lot more blue than it actually was. We took the same side of the stadium again this year so it will likely look the same, but I think it will be the same as last year, 55-60% blue.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by John K » Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:42 am

Bocephus wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:33 am
MinnesotaJack wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.
This gris teams MO is play good defense, don’t turn the ball over and wait for special teams to make a play to keep you in the game. If the Jacks decide to kick it to Bergen it could make this game interesting. If not, I would bet gris offense has lots of problems moving the sticks.
I think the gris will definitely struggle to move the ball against SDSU. They've outscored their three playoff opponents 123-12, an average margin of 41-4, with two shutouts. Since McDowell took over at QB, the gris offense has been good, but certainly not great, and they haven't yet played against a defense that is anywhere close to as dominant as SDSU's defense. I predicted the score to be 30-17, but they may need Bergen to score at least one TD on a return to get to 17 points.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by SnowGriz » Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:55 am

John K wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:42 am
Bocephus wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:33 am
MinnesotaJack wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:36 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:51 pm
aucat wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm
I would love to see an "ass kicking" but I don't believe it will happen. From what I can tell, MSU was way better than UM at the beginning of the year. But then UM steadily improved and MSU slipped. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect UM to administer an "ass kicking" to MSU this year.

I expect SDSU to defeat UM but I think it will be a very competitive game. For one thing I'm not impressed with SDSU's fan support. It is nothing like NDSU's. I expect 75% of the crowd in Frisco to be griz fans which will make them feel at home. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM prevail. They seem to have a lot of luck...and luck does count.
They'll have more, but not 75%. Probably 60%. Depends on how trained SDSU is at getting there. NDSU was there so many times that they would outnumber whoever they played. This is SDSU's third trip in four years, so they might be dialed in better, but they don't have as strong of a fan base as UM or MSU or NDSU. Watching their game from last year it looks like they had about 40%, so I would think at least that this year. Not that I think it matters all that much as WGS has the fans much closer to the field and is a way louder venue.

UM's big problem is its offense. They're averaging just 4.4 yards per play in their last two home games against defenses that aren't on a par with SDSU. The Jacks were fifth in the nation at 4.54 per play and that probably included a lot of games that teams gained yards in garbage time. Furman (4.93) was 20th but played a much weaker schedule. NDSU was 35th at 5.35. So, UM was only able to get 4.4 against teams that allowed significantly more to everyone else. If UM can't get anything going on offense, then it's going to have a lot of trouble winning the game. The most points SDSU has allowed all year is 21 (UND and Illinois St.). UND was down 35-7 in the 4th quarter and scored twice. Illinois State had 14 at halftime and 21 through 3 quarters but didn't gain 300 yards in the game. The most yards SDSU has allowed is 343 to Missouri State. After that they allowed 151, 219 (Nova) and 298 (Albany).

SDSU was only held under 33 points three times in the season. Once was due to gale force winds. Another was a road game in which it was hit with 13 penalties for 125 yards. After getting shutout in the first half vs MSU they scored 20 (3 tds) in the second half.

UM may have been able to thwart Miller, Mellott and the Furman QB, but Gronowski is on a whole different level. Still, UM with its unorthodox approach on defense could hold SDSU in check.
Last year we muscled in against NDSU and had about 55-60% of the fans there, so I'm not sure the Griz will have more fans there this year. Though they may do the same thing against us we did to NDSU last year. Either way, I don't see it being more than 55-45 in either way, which is pretty damn close to 50/50 and the way it should be for the championship game.

Everything else in this post I completely agree with. I think the Griz D can cause us some issues and keep the game lower scoring. But their offense is going to struggle big time like you said, and you'll then find that if we can get out to a 10-14 point lead we'll sort of take the air out of the ball to not risk any turnovers that spark them. I think something like 27-13 final score.
This gris teams MO is play good defense, don’t turn the ball over and wait for special teams to make a play to keep you in the game. If the Jacks decide to kick it to Bergen it could make this game interesting. If not, I would bet gris offense has lots of problems moving the sticks.
I think the gris will definitely struggle to move the ball against SDSU. They've outscored their three playoff opponents 123-12, an average margin of 41-4, with two shutouts. Since McDowell took over at QB, the gris offense has been good, but certainly not great, and they haven't yet played against a defense that is anywhere close to as dominant as SDSU's defense. I predicted the score to be 30-17, but they may need Bergen to score at least one TD on a return to get to 17 points.
Not unreasonable. In the last two games UM has only scored one offensive touchdown in regulation. I would bet they are going to focus on forcing turnovers on defense since the Jacks will try to scheme Bergen out of the equation



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Re: We Believe!

Post by SnowGriz » Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:58 am

thefrank1 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:51 pm
I thought that the griz defensive scheme is borrowed from the Jack's. If that is the case, sdsu should be better equipped to deal with their defense.
I don’t believe so, unless it’s a scheme from a long time ago. The Griz use the 3-3-5 which is a blitz-heavy package. SDSU uses a quarters defense. As weird as it sounds, I bet folks on the Jacks staff are paying attention to the 2019 and 2022 Cat/Griz games for ways to neutralize the 3-3-5.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by AFCAT » Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:53 am

Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.
You are so sensitive to anyone mentioning the gris here. You’re so emotional and your thin skin on this topic is amazing to see.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by Justwinbaby » Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:26 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:53 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.
You are so sensitive to anyone mentioning the gris here. You’re so emotional and your thin skin on this topic is amazing to see.
I'm sensitive?

Cat fans posting about the griz in every other thread here are friggin marshmallow soft - you included. You goobers refuse to ignore them and display teen-age girl jealousy every chance you get.

It's men like me who will elevate this fan base currently inflicted with gDS.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by BFcatfan » Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:53 pm

Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.

You sir, are we still chant ESGGCG... every time we get the chance...
You sir is why I have a Jacks flag hanging high in front of my house with pride and listening to all you whinny ass bitches wonder why I won't cheer for the Montana team.


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Re: We Believe!

Post by AFCAT » Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:05 pm

Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:26 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:53 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.
You are so sensitive to anyone mentioning the gris here. You’re so emotional and your thin skin on this topic is amazing to see.
I'm sensitive?

Cat fans posting about the griz in every other thread here are friggin marshmallow soft - you included. You goobers refuse to ignore them and display teen-age girl jealousy every chance you get.

It's men like me who will elevate this fan base currently inflicted with gDS.
And here you are just looking for something to make you even more upset. I'm not on your gris fan board but you are logging on here every chance you get to whine and complain about people commenting on the gris. Did you lose your binky? Did mommy take away your allowance? Why don't you just ignore threads that make you so distressed?


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Re: We Believe!

Post by Justwinbaby » Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:51 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:05 pm
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:26 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:53 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.
You are so sensitive to anyone mentioning the gris here. You’re so emotional and your thin skin on this topic is amazing to see.
I'm sensitive?

Cat fans posting about the griz in every other thread here are friggin marshmallow soft - you included. You goobers refuse to ignore them and display teen-age girl jealousy every chance you get.

It's men like me who will elevate this fan base currently inflicted with gDS.
And here you are just looking for something to make you even more upset. I'm not on your gris fan board but you are logging on here every chance you get to whine and complain about people commenting on the gris. Did you lose your binky? Did mommy take away your allowance? Why don't you just ignore threads that make you so distressed?
:roll: Gds is in your DNA. Sad really.

When our fan base stops obsessing over the griz, I will stop pointing it out.



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Re: We Believe!

Post by Justwinbaby » Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:52 pm

BFcatfan wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:53 pm
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.

You sir, are we still chant ESGGCG... every time we get the chance...
You sir is why I have a Jacks flag hanging high in front of my house with pride and listening to all you whinny ass bitches wonder why I won't cheer for the Montana team.
Huh? Rough Saturday at the Rbar?



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Re: We Believe!

Post by BFcatfan » Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:14 pm

Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:52 pm
BFcatfan wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:53 pm
Justwinbaby wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:22 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:57 am
Justwinbaby wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 am
REALLY?

A thread devoted to the griz championship catch phrase?

Lame - fan base remains haunted by the streak.
What’s really lame is how much this upsets you.
You, sir, are the typical Cat fan today...obsessed with the griz and stuck in the streak fueled GDS - griz derangement syndrome. You are not alone. Seek help.

You sir, are we still chant ESGGCG... every time we get the chance...
You sir is why I have a Jacks flag hanging high in front of my house with pride and listening to all you whinny ass bitches wonder why I won't cheer for the Montana team.
Huh? Rough Saturday at the Rbar?
250 miles from it…sadly 100 miles north of the sh** hole you support and cheer for. But you go Big Brother… Beat that chest Tarzan…or is it Jane? or do you know? or have you decided what you want to identify as? Serious questions here…


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