JMU falls back down to earth

[HelenaCat95]

I keep waiting for the Kohler Toilet Bowl. But no city is interested in hosting it.

Missoula

[PapaG]

Well, if the west coast can rise, so can the east coast. To each his own. The Shenandoah Valley in Virginia or any of the Washington or Oregon locations? Beats the hell out of what happened to the pac...

Hell, Cal and Stanford are paying how many million dollars a year to be in the ACC? They're paying that conference to not be affiliated with Oregon or Washington.

https://theathletic.com/5153125/2023/12 ... -football/

Yeah, why be in the Big Ten when you can be in an ACC that Florida State is suing to leave in part because they took in Cal and Stanford?

The Big 10 did not want either psuedo Ivy Plus schools (Remember, the Stanford president had to step down for contrived data and unfortunately, he was cited over 600 times in various studies).

Both have to pay the ACC 12 million per year to belong to the ACC instead of sharing their profits (not too much larger per team than the MWC pays per year). The ACC was most gracious in letting them join for that small price (check both schools Endowments. They can afford to pay a conference). Glad they are as neither schools wanted th be affiliated with or associated with Oregon and Washington's Land Grant schools. To continue would be, we'll, beneath them.

Not sure what you are talking about. Cal and Stanford are taking a reduced cut of the ACC TV package, not paying the ACC for membership.

I stand corrected as to the media revenue sharing. They'll get, what? About 8 to 9 million from the ACC t.v. deal (MWC is a bit more than 7 million but...). In the final analysis, better for them to belong to the ACC than the lowly Mountain West.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/sep ... -survival/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 739725007/

The MWC TV contract is +/- $4m per school per year, not $7. Plus the conference revenues for the Bowl system in general & the BCS championship in particular is massively larger for the ACC than the MWC.

And, for the record, Stanford/Cal will now be playing against land-grant universities like Clemson & Virginia Tech instead of land grant colleges like Arizona, OSU & WSU. I guess I can't really see the point about land grant colleges either.

Anyway, I think the whole system is a mess. Hope that WSU & OSU can do something to salvage the shambles of the Pac 12 & help make the MWC more relevant...but I'm not sure how that works without the big TV & bowl payouts.

Over half of the B1G schools are land-grant including Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, and Wisconsin. As usual, Cat Grad is on a tangent that seems logical to him but baffling to me. Is he saying Stanford and Cal would decline an invitation to the Big Ten because of yucky land grant schools? I’m a graduate of Montana’s land grant school and he claims to be as well. Just so odd.

[RickRund]

I keep waiting for the Kohler Toilet Bowl. But no city is interested in hosting it.

I have heard rumors of the long awaited Participation Bowl...

[onceacat]

Well, if the west coast can rise, so can the east coast. To each his own. The Shenandoah Valley in Virginia or any of the Washington or Oregon locations? Beats the hell out of what happened to the pac...

Hell, Cal and Stanford are paying how many million dollars a year to be in the ACC? They're paying that conference to not be affiliated with Oregon or Washington.

https://theathletic.com/5153125/2023/12 ... -football/

Yeah, why be in the Big Ten when you can be in an ACC that Florida State is suing to leave in part because they took in Cal and Stanford?

The Big 10 did not want either psuedo Ivy Plus schools (Remember, the Stanford president had to step down for contrived data and unfortunately, he was cited over 600 times in various studies).

Both have to pay the ACC 12 million per year to belong to the ACC instead of sharing their profits (not too much larger per team than the MWC pays per year). The ACC was most gracious in letting them join for that small price (check both schools Endowments. They can afford to pay a conference). Glad they are as neither schools wanted th be affiliated with or associated with Oregon and Washington's Land Grant schools. To continue would be, we'll, beneath them.

Not sure what you are talking about. Cal and Stanford are taking a reduced cut of the ACC TV package, not paying the ACC for membership.

I stand corrected as to the media revenue sharing. They'll get, what? About 8 to 9 million from the ACC t.v. deal (MWC is a bit more than 7 million but...). In the final analysis, better for them to belong to the ACC than the lowly Mountain West.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/sep ... -survival/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 739725007/

The MWC TV contract is +/- $4m per school per year, not $7. Plus the conference revenues for the Bowl system in general & the BCS championship in particular is massively larger for the ACC than the MWC.

And, for the record, Stanford/Cal will now be playing against land-grant universities like Clemson & Virginia Tech instead of land grant colleges like Arizona, OSU & WSU. I guess I can't really see the point about land grant colleges either.

Anyway, I think the whole system is a mess. Hope that WSU & OSU can do something to salvage the shambles of the Pac 12 & help make the MWC more relevant...but I'm not sure how that works without the big TV & bowl payouts.

Over half of the B1G schools are land-grant including Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, and Wisconsin. As usual, Cat Grad is on a tangent that seems logical to him but baffling to me. Is he saying Stanford and Cal would decline an invitation to the Big Ten because of yucky land grant schools? I’m a graduate of Montana’s land grant school and he claims to be as well. Just so odd.

Almost the entire SEC is land grant too...Mississippi State, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Texas
A&M...Apparently Stanford would have declined an invite to the SEC too?

What a weird thread.

[Camo_Cat]

I keep waiting for the Kohler Toilet Bowl. But no city is interested in hosting it.

Missoula

[ND0479]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

[onceacat]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

1.3m viewers for the FCS championship...roughly the same as the Myrtle Beach Bowl or the Independence Bowl. Better by a little than the New Mexico Bowl, but only half the viewers of the LA Bowl.

I don't understand why people keep claiming that somehow more people care about the FCS championship than the dumbest of the bowl games.

[PapaG]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

FCS National Champions is obviously celebrated more by players, fans, and players than 2027 Fresno Bowl presented by Dave’s Hot Chicken winners, and that’s if the team actually makes a bowl game that won’t exist in five years or will have a different name.

[tetoncat]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

1.3m viewers for the FCS championship...roughly the same as the Myrtle Beach Bowl or the Independence Bowl. Better by a little than the New Mexico Bowl, but only half the viewers of the LA Bowl.

I don't understand why people keep claiming that somehow more people care about the FCS championship than the dumbest of the bowl games.

Just because people watch a game doesn't mean they care about it.

[ND0479]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

FCS National Champions is obviously celebrated more by players, fans, and players than 2027 Fresno Bowl presented by Dave’s Hot Chicken winners, and that’s if the team actually makes a bowl game that won’t exist in five years or will have a different name.

You think that because you follow & support an FCS team. If we were D2, you’d be heavily vested in the D2 NC.

The general college football fan cares as much about the FCS NC as the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl.

For the record, I love the FCS system but we are a smaller minority than most think.

[PapaG]

If only one day we could play in a bowl game that no one cares about.

It’s on par with playing for a National Championship No one cares about, imo.

FCS National Champions is obviously celebrated more by players, fans, and players than 2027 Fresno Bowl presented by Dave’s Hot Chicken winners, and that’s if the team actually makes a bowl game that won’t exist in five years or will have a different name.

You think that because you follow & support an FCS team. If we were D2, you’d be heavily vested in the D2 NC.

The general college football fan cares as much about the FCS NC as the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl.

For the record, I love the FCS system but we are a smaller minority than most think.

I had season tickets to the Oregon Ducks from 1998 to 2021 while living in Portland, traveled to numerous road games, and nobody cared about winning or losing the Holiday Bowl or Las Vegas after the first Fiesta Bowl win against Colorado other than a trip to San Diego or Vegas in December, and Vegas was windy and cold. The BCS national championship game against Auburn I attended in Glendale hurt as a fan loss more than any other I’ve experienced for either Montana State or Oregon. I’d argue my support of a top-tier P5 team that was starting to rise early in my attending games gives me a unique perspective on how boring and mundane fandom of a G5 football program can be when you have zero shot at a real trophy. I really don’t care as a fan if 400,000 more disinterested people across the country watch a bowl game involving Montana State that they will forget in a week, win or lose.