Messingham needs to go

[onceacat]

Just an observation and not wanting to stir up crap.....

Everyone seems to quickly bash Messingham for the issues and struggles of your offense. My question is, does anyone know what role Choate plays in the offense? Does he have a say in its design, the play calling, the game planning, etc? As a head coach I'm pretty positive he must have his hands in these things, but I must admit I don't know for certain.

If so, no one seems to pin any blame on him. Maybe there's no reason to, but maybe there is. He brought Messingham on board. That was his decision. He continues to start Bruggman when it is no longer effective or smart to do so. He's done a few things with clock management that are real head scratchers. I'd also say he's done some things personnel wise that make one wonder. Is he untouchable because he's the head coach? Does Messimgham become the fall guy a bit?

I'd also pin a lot on the players and some bad decisions or execution issues. Every time they get some momentum, one seems to move the O backwards with an off sides or holding. Is Mess to blame here? Is that one more on the oline coaches?

Again I don't know all the inside info here to say who is to blame. I'm wondering if many in here do either? Please share if so.

Honestly Griz I think that's a great question and you shouldn't feel bad for asking it. It's been said on other boards that Messingham likely wasn't Jeff's first choice as OC, and I think that's probably correct. JC is a defensive coach, so he is going to lean harder on his OC than offensive minded coaches likely would. However, I attend every game, and I will say Choate is in EVERY offensive huddle. He's in the ear of an O-Lineman, Bruggman, Murray, Newell, or somebody else after each offensive series. He's certainly engaged.

I just don't think we have an offense. I'm not sure why. Our receivers can't catch. Our Tight End's are playing awful. I have NO IDEA what is going on with Gunner Brekke, but he is having an off year. And Chad is perpetually injured. This makes no mention of the fact we don't have a quarterback. I'm really sorry gang, but are we really ready to anoint Murray? He's not there yet (yes yes yes, with more years, more reps, more practice, more experience, 17 years old, etc. etc.), but he isn't ready today...hopefully we haven't shut down the QB recruiting pipeline.

The fact is, this staff came in hellbent on correcting what was apparently a talented defense. Mission accomplished. I think it's clear they have their project for next season; correcting the offense.

Great post.

Tremendous feedback and thanks for the level headed reply. I think that's a lot of my opinion as well. Something just seems "Off" with the offense and I believe it goes well beyond one guy (Messimgham). i understand people need to place blame somewhere, it what we naturally do, but I believe that blame needs to be on many root causes not just an OC. Thanks again.

I'm a big fan of Choate, but I agree that his fingers are all over the offense. The o-line play has alternated between great & inept, and Armstrong appeared to be Choates guy. And it isn't Messinghams fault that our receivers & TEs have forgotten how to block or catch.

That said, it is Messinghams job to fix it, or he will be the fall guy.

I'm not sure why people are saying We don't have a QB. Murray has proven that he is adequate. I don't think anyone believes we should shut down QB recruiting. The O averaged over 6 yards per play when he was in last week, and put up 30+ at Sac St. And for some reason, we still haven't seen the other backups.

But, make no mistake, it needs to get fixed. A 2-9 season is absolutely unacceptable.

[AlphaGriz1]

You have to give all your coaches 2-3 years before you can even have an opinion.

Lets not be like how it usually is over here. For once have some common sense and dont think you can fix the dumpster fire you have had the last 7 years in 5 games. Change takes time.

Yes, change takes time, and most everyone is patient for the rebuilding process. Thanks for Gregorak by the way.

However, after 5 games you can tell if a component is getting it done or not. Someone is not pulling their weight for this team.

Last year, it was Marshall. Ash wouldn't cut him loose, so he got cut. I hope Choate won't make the same mistake with Messingham.

REALLY GLAD you are enjoying Gregorak, he has done so much for your defense..............................................and I am sure he will continue to do so.

This is me laughing!

Still can't stop the triple option of Cal Poly though. Can ya?

We did just as good without him.....................so........................................................

Incorrect

under TG: Cal Poly 2015 -- 386 yds total; 330 yds rushing, 56 yds passing, 20 points
under Semen: Cal Poly 2016 -- 441 yds total; 274 rushing, 157 passing, 42 points

if by "just as good" you mean losing, then OK

so the semorian defense, with a glowing article written about how innovative and smart he/it is prior to the game, gave up more than twice the points as the apparently 'dumb' TG griz defense was.

"The man behind the defense’s success changed Montana’s traditional style into something new -- the Semorian defense."

“He coaches outside the box a little bit,” Stitt said. “He’s going to do what works rather than, ‘Oh, this is the way you’re supposed to do it.’” (to me, clearly a jab at TG from Stitt)

http://www.montanakaimin.com/sports/mon ... f3d2a.html

Losing is losing and it doesn't matter if you give up 50 yards or 600. Bottom line is the Griz are not a good team and Gregorek is one spoke in a wheel of 50. He doesn't matter and isn't a difference maker. Very average very vanilla

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[BigBruceBaker]

You have to give all your coaches 2-3 years before you can even have an opinion.

Lets not be like how it usually is over here. For once have some common sense and dont think you can fix the dumpster fire you have had the last 7 years in 5 games. Change takes time.

Yes, change takes time, and most everyone is patient for the rebuilding process. Thanks for Gregorak by the way.

However, after 5 games you can tell if a component is getting it done or not. Someone is not pulling their weight for this team.

Last year, it was Marshall. Ash wouldn't cut him loose, so he got cut. I hope Choate won't make the same mistake with Messingham.

REALLY GLAD you are enjoying Gregorak, he has done so much for your defense..............................................and I am sure he will continue to do so.

This is me laughing!

Still can't stop the triple option of Cal Poly though. Can ya?

We did just as good without him.....................so........................................................

Incorrect

under TG: Cal Poly 2015 -- 386 yds total; 330 yds rushing, 56 yds passing, 20 points
under Semen: Cal Poly 2016 -- 441 yds total; 274 rushing, 157 passing, 42 points

if by "just as good" you mean losing, then OK

so the semorian defense, with a glowing article written about how innovative and smart he/it is prior to the game, gave up more than twice the points as the apparently 'dumb' TG griz defense was.

"The man behind the defense’s success changed Montana’s traditional style into something new -- the Semorian defense."

“He coaches outside the box a little bit,” Stitt said. “He’s going to do what works rather than, ‘Oh, this is the way you’re supposed to do it.’” (to me, clearly a jab at TG from Stitt)

http://www.montanakaimin.com/sports/mon ... f3d2a.html

Losing is losing and it doesn't matter if you give up 50 yards or 600. Bottom line is the Griz are not a good team and Gregorek is one spoke in a wheel of 50. He doesn't matter and isn't a difference maker. Very average very vanilla

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Haha awesome. Thanks for the laugh.


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