FCS Games 11/9

[PapaG]

Nice to see Bobby’s cute little clock game with running defensive substitutions in late backfired and gave Davis a big first down for 12 on the field. I’ve seen this ploy against Oregon, too, as the refs stand over the ball and give the defense 20 seconds to slowly substitute to the point the offense either takes a delay of game or calls a timeout. This should be addressed in the offseason and the defense gets maybe a 15 second window to sub instead of the full play clock.

[coloradocat]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

Agreed they won’t drop out of the playoffs, but I don’t think there is anyway they get a top 8 seed and first round bye with a loss to the Cats.

The committee had them at 10 two weeks ago, since then they have a mediocre win against a mediocre team and a loss to the #4 team. I assume they win this next week and lose to the Cats.
So since being ranked #10 by the committee, they would be 2-2, with no ranked wins and two ranked losses. No way they move into the top 8 with that resume.

Seeds go to 16 this year.

[MSU01]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

[AFCAT]

Dan Hawkins watching UC Davis right now.

[onceacat]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

Agreed they won’t drop out of the playoffs, but I don’t think there is anyway they get a top 8 seed and first round bye with a loss to the Cats.

The committee had them at 10 two weeks ago, since then they have a mediocre win against a mediocre team and a loss to the #4 team. I assume they win this next week and lose to the Cats.
So since being ranked #10 by the committee, they would be 2-2, with no ranked wins and two ranked losses. No way they move into the top 8 with that resume.

Seeds go to 16 this year.

Losing by 2 TDs at home is a BAD loss, even to the #4 team. A 2-3 score loss from the Cats SHOULD drop them out of the seeds. (a close loss or a win is obviously different).

It's going to be hard for the committee to get past 20k tix at WaGris for the first round though. I have a hard time imagining the committee sending the gris on a road game to play Drake or Abeline Christian.

[AFCAT]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

Agreed they won’t drop out of the playoffs, but I don’t think there is anyway they get a top 8 seed and first round bye with a loss to the Cats.

The committee had them at 10 two weeks ago, since then they have a mediocre win against a mediocre team and a loss to the #4 team. I assume they win this next week and lose to the Cats.
So since being ranked #10 by the committee, they would be 2-2, with no ranked wins and two ranked losses. No way they move into the top 8 with that resume.

Seeds go to 16 this year.

Losing by 2 TDs at home is a BAD loss, even to the #4 team. A 2-3 score loss from the Cats SHOULD drop them out of the seeds. (a close loss or a win is obviously different).

It's going to be hard for the committee to get past 20k tix at WaGris for the first round though. I have a hard time imagining the committee sending the gris on a road game to play Drake or Abeline Christian.

Yup, it's all about the Benjamins.

[rivercat]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

Agreed they won’t drop out of the playoffs, but I don’t think there is anyway they get a top 8 seed and first round bye with a loss to the Cats.

The committee had them at 10 two weeks ago, since then they have a mediocre win against a mediocre team and a loss to the #4 team. I assume they win this next week and lose to the Cats.
So since being ranked #10 by the committee, they would be 2-2, with no ranked wins and two ranked losses. No way they move into the top 8 with that resume.

Seeds go to 16 this year.

Losing by 2 TDs at home is a BAD loss, even to the #4 team. A 2-3 score loss from the Cats SHOULD drop them out of the seeds. (a close loss or a win is obviously different).

It's going to be hard for the committee to get past 20k tix at WaGris for the first round though. I have a hard time imagining the committee sending the gris on a road game to play Drake or Abeline Christian.

Yeah, an 8-4 gris gets a low seed and hosts a first round gay. A 7-5 gris gets to eat thanksgiving turkey at home.

[KIX]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

#7 was a complete joke of a ranking. PSU has a shot with that QB and that Quincy kid but maybe not in WA Griz. The losses to Weebs and UND not a big resume booster as of today, either. Cats win, Friz at large and on the road.

[KIX]

The griz were ranked #7 coming into the game. They'll probably beat the PSU by 30 next week (with a little help from Barney and Robbi) and then lose to us. Losing to two teams in the top 5 is not going to drop them from #7 to out of the playoffs completely. They likely won't even fall out of the seeds. Even if they were to lose to PSU and end the regular season on a 3 game slide, they'd still get in but would just have to travel since they can't buy first round games anymore.

Agreed they won’t drop out of the playoffs, but I don’t think there is anyway they get a top 8 seed and first round bye with a loss to the Cats.

The committee had them at 10 two weeks ago, since then they have a mediocre win against a mediocre team and a loss to the #4 team. I assume they win this next week and lose to the Cats.
So since being ranked #10 by the committee, they would be 2-2, with no ranked wins and two ranked losses. No way they move into the top 8 with that resume.

Seeds go to 16 this year.

Friz at large after loss to Cats. Fargo Dome?

[KIX]

Nice to see Bobby’s cute little clock game with running defensive substitutions in late backfired and gave Davis a big first down for 12 on the field. I’ve seen this ploy against Oregon, too, as the refs stand over the ball and give the defense 20 seconds to slowly substitute to the point the offense either takes a delay of game or calls a timeout. This should be addressed in the offseason and the defense gets maybe a 15 second window to sub instead of the full play clock.

I completely agree. Those two (or maybe three) situations last night where the refs were blocking UCD play with the play clock under 5 was mind boggling.

[tetoncat]

These announcers really want the griz to be better than they are it seems!

In their defense as ESPN2 announcers they want a close game.

[tetoncat]

Nice to see Bobby’s cute little clock game with running defensive substitutions in late backfired and gave Davis a big first down for 12 on the field. I’ve seen this ploy against Oregon, too, as the refs stand over the ball and give the defense 20 seconds to slowly substitute to the point the offense either takes a delay of game or calls a timeout. This should be addressed in the offseason and the defense gets maybe a 15 second window to sub instead of the full play clock.

I completely agree. Those two (or maybe three) situations last night where the refs were blocking UCD play with the play clock under 5 was mind boggling.

As if the d lineman had no idea he was being subbed for until he got tapped on the butt. Players jogged in and out, definitely a game plan.

[MTCowpoke22]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

[Cataholic]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

I’m not sure, but thought the rules changed recently. I think higher seeded teams are now automatically awarded the home game. My recollection was specifically because the Gris “bought” a home game a couple years ago.

[4KornerKat]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

I’m not sure, but thought the rules changed recently. I think higher seeded teams are now automatically awarded the home game. My recollection was specifically because the Gris “bought” a home game a couple years ago.

They did change, that's the talk about seeding 1-16. Herder's podcast this last week covers this in great detail.

There are still requirements for 9-16 to host, that need to be met. Would take a pretty extreme situation to pull a game from a seed, think stadium renovation, etc. where they just don't have ability to host. Minimum bid needs to be met, but can't imagine any teams in the running for the playoffs don't make minimum bid.

[Cataholic]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

I’m not sure, but thought the rules changed recently. I think higher seeded teams are now automatically awarded the home game. My recollection was specifically because the Gris “bought” a home game a couple years ago.

They did change, that's the talk about seeding 1-16. Herder's podcast this last week covers this in great detail.

There are still requirements for 9-16 to host, that need to be met. Would take a pretty extreme situation to pull a game from a seed, think stadium renovation, etc. where they just don't have ability to host. Minimum bid needs to be met, but can't imagine any teams in the running for the playoffs don't make minimum bid.

Good info! Thanks!

[Lord Vigo]

Davis is a good team, but that was a pretty bad loss for UM.

They were at home, under the lights, and on national TV. Besides that, the refs were working overtime for them. Generous spots, uneven calls, etc.

Hauck is in a real pickle with his QB situation. Fife is clearly the better option, but he only has one season left after this one and he may not stay for it anyways. I think he wants to get off the transfer carousel at the position, which is the only reason they're giving Ah Yat so much play. But Ah Yat can't play against legit competition. He can't read defense, so he holds the ball or puts it in harm's way. He has some running ability, but nothing special enough to make up for the deficiencies in the passing game.

If he gives Ah Yat a lot of run in Bozeman, it's going to get ugly.

[coloradocat]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

I’m not sure, but thought the rules changed recently. I think higher seeded teams are now automatically awarded the home game. My recollection was specifically because the Gris “bought” a home game a couple years ago.

They did change, that's the talk about seeding 1-16. Herder's podcast this last week covers this in great detail.

There are still requirements for 9-16 to host, that need to be met. Would take a pretty extreme situation to pull a game from a seed, think stadium renovation, etc. where they just don't have ability to host. Minimum bid needs to be met, but can't imagine any teams in the running for the playoffs don't make minimum bid.

I listened to the podcast and I thought that the seeded teams are still guaranteed to host. Buying a home game only comes into play if both teams are unseeded. I could have misinterpreted that though.

[4KornerKat]

Refresh me, ranking 1-16 for playoffs this year?

Correct, #1-16 will be seeded and the #9-16 seeds will host first round games against the eight unseeded teams. No more bidding for home games and (in theory) the second round matchups will be fairer since they'll be in accordance with the seeding list and not based on regionalization of the bracket.

This is mostly correct. Each school did have to submit a minimum bid to host in each round. So if UM gets matched up with a seeded Drake (just for example), and Drake didn’t bid the minimum then the griz would host. So if the griz are unseeded, it’s very possible they travel in round 1, but not guaranteed.

I’m not sure, but thought the rules changed recently. I think higher seeded teams are now automatically awarded the home game. My recollection was specifically because the Gris “bought” a home game a couple years ago.

They did change, that's the talk about seeding 1-16. Herder's podcast this last week covers this in great detail.

There are still requirements for 9-16 to host, that need to be met. Would take a pretty extreme situation to pull a game from a seed, think stadium renovation, etc. where they just don't have ability to host. Minimum bid needs to be met, but can't imagine any teams in the running for the playoffs don't make minimum bid.

I listened to the podcast and I thought that the seeded teams are still guaranteed to host. Buying a home game only comes into play if both teams are unseeded. I could have misinterpreted that though.

They talked briefly about extreme conditions, but glossed over the minimum bid piece because everyone in contention bids at least the minimum, not really part of the conversation.
Keep in mind that AQ teams from small conferences are probably not seeded, and almost any program capable of putting together a season worthy of a seed can sell enough seats/ come up with funding.

[ringthebells]

If you are on offense and need to substitute late, you may as well call a timeout. Any defense worth a crap will sub at the speed of smell. The offense will either get a penalty or call the TO. If the defense is not allowed that time it gives the offense an unfair advantage. The offense would sub with 5 seconds left and screw over the defense. Whoever the O coordinator is for Davis should be getting an ass chewing. The slow counter sub isn't unusual. Everyone involved know the routine.