The most unofficial Bobcat gameday thread - Northern Colorado

[nanacat]

Unsportsmanlike conduct during the play? What?

Made a block, put the guy on his butt then stood over him like a tough guy.

It seems strange to me that an unsportsmanlike would call the play back. It’s more like a technical foul. It didn’t have anything to do with creating the play, like a hold or other execution penalty would. Seems like the penalty should have been assessed on the following kickoff. I felt badly for Taco, but at least he wasn’t having a public tantrum for which I give him a lot of credit.

Normally unsportsmanlike is a dead ball penalty. Unfortunately it happened during the play making it a live ball penalty, thus negating the return. Definitely odd though.

Haven't watched the game yet, only listened to bits and pieces. So a Cat player got the unsportsmanlike penalty? And was that when Vigen went running down the sideline and scolded the player? Or was that a different time? Not acceptable at all, but a reminder that these are kids playing and between alot of testosterone and being jacked up by the crowd, things like this can happen. Figure he'll have some running to do to encourage him to never do that again.

[BleedingBLue]

Unsportsmanlike conduct during the play? What?

Made a block, put the guy on his butt then stood over him like a tough guy.

It seems strange to me that an unsportsmanlike would call the play back. It’s more like a technical foul. It didn’t have anything to do with creating the play, like a hold or other execution penalty would. Seems like the penalty should have been assessed on the following kickoff. I felt badly for Taco, but at least he wasn’t having a public tantrum for which I give him a lot of credit.

Normally unsportsmanlike is a dead ball penalty. Unfortunately it happened during the play making it a live ball penalty, thus negating the return. Definitely odd though.

Haven't watched the game yet, only listened to bits and pieces. So a Cat player got the unsportsmanlike penalty? And was that when Vigen went running down the sideline and scolded the player? Or was that a different time? Not acceptable at all, but a reminder that these are kids playing and between alot of testosterone and being jacked up by the crowd, things like this can happen. Figure he'll have some running to do to encourage him to never do that again.

I didn't see Vigen post play, but he came over on the sideline a minute or two later and had more words for the player (Jackson Harmon). Officials let a lot of crap go, standing over a guy isn't something they let go very often.

[nanacat]

Unsportsmanlike conduct during the play? What?

Made a block, put the guy on his butt then stood over him like a tough guy.

It seems strange to me that an unsportsmanlike would call the play back. It’s more like a technical foul. It didn’t have anything to do with creating the play, like a hold or other execution penalty would. Seems like the penalty should have been assessed on the following kickoff. I felt badly for Taco, but at least he wasn’t having a public tantrum for which I give him a lot of credit.

Normally unsportsmanlike is a dead ball penalty. Unfortunately it happened during the play making it a live ball penalty, thus negating the return. Definitely odd though.

Haven't watched the game yet, only listened to bits and pieces. So a Cat player got the unsportsmanlike penalty? And was that when Vigen went running down the sideline and scolded the player? Or was that a different time? Not acceptable at all, but a reminder that these are kids playing and between alot of testosterone and being jacked up by the crowd, things like this can happen. Figure he'll have some running to do to encourage him to never do that again.

I didn't see Vigen post play, but he came over on the sideline a minute or two later and had more words for the player (Jackson Harmon). Officials let a lot of crap go, standing over a guy isn't something they let go very often.

Ya that's unnecessary

[tetoncat]

Unsportsmanlike conduct during the play? What?

Made a block, put the guy on his butt then stood over him like a tough guy.

It seems strange to me that an unsportsmanlike would call the play back. It’s more like a technical foul. It didn’t have anything to do with creating the play, like a hold or other execution penalty would. Seems like the penalty should have been assessed on the following kickoff. I felt badly for Taco, but at least he wasn’t having a public tantrum for which I give him a lot of credit.

Normally unsportsmanlike is a dead ball penalty. Unfortunately it happened during the play making it a live ball penalty, thus negating the return. Definitely odd though.

Haven't watched the game yet, only listened to bits and pieces. So a Cat player got the unsportsmanlike penalty? And was that when Vigen went running down the sideline and scolded the player? Or was that a different time? Not acceptable at all, but a reminder that these are kids playing and between alot of testosterone and being jacked up by the crowd, things like this can happen. Figure he'll have some running to do to encourage him to never do that again.

I didn't see Vigen post play, but he came over on the sideline a minute or two later and had more words for the player (Jackson Harmon). Officials let a lot of crap go, standing over a guy isn't something they let go very often.

Did he stand over him. All I could see in TV replay was he pancake blocked him and layed on top and kept pushing into ground.
I have seen some unsportsmanlike where pkayer did something on way into endzone like stare down player or point at them and it was assessed on kickoff. Thought that would be same here and may have been why Vigen also discussed with ref.

[CodyCat]

Does anyone know the last time MSU had more passing yards than rushing yards?

[wbtfg]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

[tetoncat]

I’m not sure what the week of practice looks like for the DB’s, but it needs to be completely tweaked. I’m not feeling good about our D backfield.

My TV is all jacked up. Are we still playing 1’s on D?

A mix of 1’s and 2-3’s.

Maybe, keep the 1’s and 2’s in… They need the extra work! I only partially kid.

There is a big drop off from the 1’s…who are themselves having a nice year so far, but are very leaky against the passing game on slants and their tackling is uuuuufffff! Way too many shoulders and heads not enough arms and bodies.

Gave up 7 pts. And that was after a fumble at mid field. Even then it wasn't all starters in.

The way I wrote it made it sound like I was concerned mainly with the 1’s, but I started by saying they’ve had a good year on the whole.
That said, particularly for the level of competition tonight and previously, the DB’s have been out of position too often, miscommunicated and missed coverages, and made weak attempts at tackling. The Defense on the whole is better than last year and that is why the scores have been limited. But once we mix in the 2’s and 3’s it’s pretty clear that a good passing attack is going to slice and dice us. I did see some nice plays from one of the back ups in the D backfield that had me encouraged. Rylan Ortt is a banger…so I’m not focused on him necessarily.

You essentially say the 1s are leaky vs pass. They have held about every qb to lower numbers than their average. Look at ISU this week. 2s and 3s as a group have struggled. But when they have been mixed in its been with say a 2nd team corner with rest of 1s its been fine. Against better competition that won't happen as much.

[profisme]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

Possibly Covid year-shirt?

[wbtfg]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

Possibly Covid year-shirt?

2019 - redshirt
2020 - COVID redshirt
2021 - frosh
2022 - soph
2023 - jr
2024 - sr

[tetoncat]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

Possibly Covid year-shirt?

2019 - redshirt
2020 - COVID redshirt
2021 - frosh
2022 - soph
2023 - jr
2024 - sr

He had a lot of injuries while there so maybe they applied to get one of them back knowing he would miss lot of time this year?

[Bobcat4Ever]

Unsportsmanlike conduct during the play? What?

Made a block, put the guy on his butt then stood over him like a tough guy.

It seems strange to me that an unsportsmanlike would call the play back. It’s more like a technical foul. It didn’t have anything to do with creating the play, like a hold or other execution penalty would. Seems like the penalty should have been assessed on the following kickoff. I felt badly for Taco, but at least he wasn’t having a public tantrum for which I give him a lot of credit.

Normally unsportsmanlike is a dead ball penalty. Unfortunately it happened during the play making it a live ball penalty, thus negating the return. Definitely odd though.

Thank you for the clarification. It makes sense, but it doesn’t make sense. I hope the whole team learns something.

[MSU01]

Does anyone know the last time MSU had more passing yards than rushing yards?

Last year against EWU they had 276 passing yards and 268 rushing yards.

[4KornerKat]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

Possibly Covid year-shirt?

2019 - redshirt
2020 - COVID redshirt
2021 - frosh
2022 - soph
2023 - jr
2024 - sr

He had a lot of injuries while there so maybe they applied to get one of them back knowing he would miss lot of time this year?

I think it's possible:
"He redshirted his true freshman season after suffering an injury as a senior in high school."
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin ... 175060268/

Might have not intended it as a medical, but might be possible it would be considered that?

[Hawks86]

My guess. He'll play when he's able and take his NFL chances next year, even if he has a redshirt left.

[BelligerentBobcat]

My guess. He'll play when he's able and take his NFL chances next year, even if he has a redshirt left.

Whose NFL chances?

[wbtfg]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Offensively, MSU has shown most of its playbook over the course of the season, but it hasn't used it all in one game yet. They got away from one aspect almost entirely yesterday and they've underutilized (have basically hidden) another all season. I think you're going to see Coon more often unless MSU was just limiting Humphrey (only 10 carries) after a big load vs ISU. The biggest oddity was Adam Jones wasn't targeted yesterday. It seems Mellott could straight drop play fake at any time and get a wide-open receiver. Of his last 10 completions, I think four had receivers left all alone and three were TDs.

Injury-wise, Julius Davis looked pretty good warming up with the team in pregame yesterday. He's wearing a knee brace still but moving well. Sain is playing so well at center that there probably is no rush in getting Perkins back and I'm starting to think he might redshirt, barring anything catastrophic on the OL. With both Sain and Perkins being seniors that could be enticing to the coach. I haven't heard anything about Polidore in a while.

Tom - how do you know MSU has shown most of its offensive playbook? Not being snarky - just curious. I am guessing it is from watching practices and time spent with the team leading up to the season.

Maybe the basic playbook, but the Cats are always installing new plays during the season. Heck, the pass from Ty to Taco was installed during the week.
I think it’s very possible we see Perkins back next season and Julius too. Julius still has his redshirt. We could see Julius 4 games this season and the playoffs and he could still come back next season.

I was under the impression that Davis used his redshirt at Wisconsin.

Edit: spelling

Vigen mentioned that Julius still had his red shirt.

His online bio says he redshirted in 2019

Possibly Covid year-shirt?

2019 - redshirt
2020 - COVID redshirt
2021 - frosh
2022 - soph
2023 - jr
2024 - sr

He had a lot of injuries while there so maybe they applied to get one of them back knowing he would miss lot of time this year?

Yeah. That’s what I was saying.

[TomCat88]

UNC's QB, who I'm not saying is great, was 6-for-12 for 67 yards and an INT in the first half. One of his passes was a tipped ball that covered either 21 or 27 yards. The other was caught in double coverage. So, 48 yards on two plays and four of his six completions were on the last drive of the half when they were in desperation* mode. That's a statistically good result even with the two big plays.

*ISU's best pass plays also came duration what I would call desperation mode. Two at the end of the first half and another on the TD pass in the second half. I won't include Hays' passing as he's not a good passer at all, but Tracy was only 17 of 33 for 183 yards (5.5 per att.) and two TDs. He had a free play heave for about 30 yards, got a great catch for a TD for another 5 and a made an outstanding play as he was being sacked and was able to thread the ball to a covered receiver for a TD from the 16. Those are perfect examples of 'the other team is going to make some plays' that Vigen and most head coaches talk about.

Watched Idaho State at Cal Poly quite a bit last night. ISU's quarterback who mostly had to resort to chucking it and hoping for the best against MSU for 183 yards, was throwing darts all over the field for 425 yards yesterday. It was eye opening to me how well our No. 1 defense as a unit is playing so far.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Yes, that's another bit of evidence that points to MSU's pass defense not being bad. I think ISU came into its game with MSU ranked 9th in terms of yards passing. They didn't rank very high in many other passing categories.

[VimSince03]

I think the Grebe family will have one of these photo's framed for one of the coolest pictures you'll see.

[Hawks86]

My guess. He'll play when he's able and take his NFL chances next year, even if he has a redshirt left.

Whose NFL chances?

Davis.

[VimSince03]

If Tommy can hit these passes down the stretch...we are going to be tough to beat. This is the one he missed against Utah Tech otherwise known as the Double Cramp game.