The official/UNofficial Bobcat-Redbirds National Championship Gameday Thread

[coloradocat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Excuse me, you aren't complaining about winning a national championship are you??



I agree on the snap issues, especially since it was a minor issue all season and a more significant issue earlier in the playoffs. The play calling largely stemmed from that. If we still have the same OL coach next year he needs to get that figured out and Sterbick needs to be able to adjust when something continually goes wrong.

[technoCat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Do you know they didn't adjust? I swear we started going faster as the game went on (which also lead to us not eating up as much time) to try and spend less time at the LoS. Do you replace your senior lineman?

Our gameplan was very clear, make them take more time than they had left to get back in the game. The offense was unable to help as they kept going 3 and out and were probably too aggressive because they kept having multiple incompletes instead of running the ball to keep the clock moving. You mentioned in your POD the negative yardage on the last 3 drives but I bet those drives also only took up like 2 minutes of game time. If the clock is running the whole time, maybe ISU is forced to be a bit more aggressive and it plays into our hands on D and we get the turnovers out of Rittenhouse that NDSU got.

All in all, we were not outcoached because our plan won the game. Apparently ISU's plan is to let the other team get a big lead and then make a bunch of unforced mistakes(or were they forced ) to let you wear them down and get back in it. Worked for them once for the miracle but not the second time.

[wbtfg]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

Also, I don't think we got conservative in the 2nd half, at least not on offense. Heck, Jones and Davis combined for only 10 rushes the entire game! I would have liked to have seen them run the ball a little more.

Defensively, we probably did get a little conservative, but that's kind of been our MO all year, and not having Caden in the back end forced our hand to be a little more conservative, I think.

I will say, ISU did a really good job of changing up their defense to create more pressure on Lamson during the 2nd half, and we didn't see to be ready for that. But ultimately, you live by the sword and die by the sword....that cover 0 pressure is what allowed taco to get so wide open.

[allcat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

Specifically, we had false start problems in the red zone all year and they got blown up in the Yale game and this game. If it's the players, it still goes back to the coaches. This team had to have set a record with the number of fall starts for the year .
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[tetoncat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

My vote for worst play call is 1st series of 2nd half. Had moved ball near the 50. 3rd and 1. Did the look to sideline and then quick snap. LB blew it up. Score inthat drive it is 3 possession game. had 2 downs to get 1 yard.

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

[iaafan]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

My vote for worst play call is 1st series of 2nd half. Had moved ball near the 50. 3rd and 1. Did the look to sideline and then quick snap. LB blew it up. Score inthat drive it is 3 possession game. had 2 downs to get 1 yard.

Yeah, they were trying to get cute there. But if that’s something they did all year, then it’s poor execution.

Lamson and Taco both credited the coaches for the final play.

It takes everyone to win games though.

[coloradocat]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

What other things should college coaches ignore and just accept rather than work to fix?

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

What other things should college coaches ignore and just accept rather than work to fix?

Do you honestly believe that they don’t do or say anything about any and all mistakes players make? Please tell us what the coach can tell a player about not moving before the snap that isn’t something that the players already know?

[iaafan]

There’s no special technique to make yourself never false start. If there was, no one would ever false start.

[ZebraCat]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

I don't know what non peewee leagues you watch, but false starts could be called almost every play until you get to HS JV.

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

I don't know what non peewee leagues you watch, but false starts could be called almost every play until you get to HS JV.

I was exaggerating for effect. Should’ve known someone would run with that.

I’ve reffed peewee and coached peewee. So, I know exactly what you mean.

[91catAlum]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

How about a silent count? That could've helped whether the issue was crowd noise or the defense using disconcerting signals.
I'm not a coach but it seems like trying something, anything, would've been better than doing nothing and hoping it went away by itself.

[iaafan]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

How about a silent count? That could've helped whether the issue was crowd noise or the defense using disconcerting signals.
I'm not a coach but it seems like trying something, anything, would've been better than doing nothing and hoping it went away by itself.

Now that’s a good point/idea. But the first four false starts were dressed up by TDs. So it could be that the lack of suffering and wanting to trust the players made them not go that route.