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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by SLC_Cat » Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:24 pm

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Jake Anderson, 6-5, 295 is a good DT. He was honorable mention this year and second team last year. They had three players on the first and second team from their defense.

Niekamp is a beast at LB. MVFC POY. His dad(?) is the DC.
Niekamp sounds familiar.....wasn't he an assistant at UM under Bob Stitt?

(maybe this is old news...I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere)
Yes, and their strength coach was at UM under Stitt. Pretty sure Niekamp was their LB coach. Semore was their DC. He’s now the DC at Southern Miss.
Strength and conditioning coach was let go by.....Bobby Hauck.
If I'm remembering correctly... according to Schmidt the strength coach chose to leave because Bobbi kept meddling in the strength program.


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by RyeCat » Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:34 pm

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I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Matchups for one and football is an emotional game number two
Hmm, they gave up 179 to ndsu and 533 to UC Davis. What were the matchup issues?
Payton is pretty much a pure pocket passer. Pinick, as we know, is super slippery and mobile.
Cole Payton ran for just shy of 800 yards this year.
He didn’t try to move outside the pocket against ISU much at all. I do remember now that they had used him for running previously in addition to Miller.



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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

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TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:12 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
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I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Matchups for one and football is an emotional game number two


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:39 pm

seataccat wrote:
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I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Maybe it's because UCD has the better offense.
NDSU had 407 yards and averaged 8.1 yards per play in the first game. 179 and 3.9 in the playoffs. What happened?


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:50 pm

According to their depth chart it looks like a 3-4-4.


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:56 pm

SLC_Cat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:24 pm
lutecat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:41 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:38 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:14 pm
Jake Anderson, 6-5, 295 is a good DT. He was honorable mention this year and second team last year. They had three players on the first and second team from their defense.

Niekamp is a beast at LB. MVFC POY. His dad(?) is the DC.
Niekamp sounds familiar.....wasn't he an assistant at UM under Bob Stitt?

(maybe this is old news...I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere)
Yes, and their strength coach was at UM under Stitt. Pretty sure Niekamp was their LB coach. Semore was their DC. He’s now the DC at Southern Miss.
Strength and conditioning coach was let go by.....Bobby Hauck.
If I'm remembering correctly... according to Schmidt the strength coach chose to leave because Bobbi kept meddling in the strength program.
That was his first tenure.



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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by SLC_Cat » Mon Dec 29, 2025 11:05 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:56 pm
SLC_Cat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:24 pm
lutecat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:41 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:38 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:14 pm
Jake Anderson, 6-5, 295 is a good DT. He was honorable mention this year and second team last year. They had three players on the first and second team from their defense.

Niekamp is a beast at LB. MVFC POY. His dad(?) is the DC.
Niekamp sounds familiar.....wasn't he an assistant at UM under Bob Stitt?

(maybe this is old news...I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere)
Yes, and their strength coach was at UM under Stitt. Pretty sure Niekamp was their LB coach. Semore was their DC. He’s now the DC at Southern Miss.
Strength and conditioning coach was let go by.....Bobby Hauck.
If I'm remembering correctly... according to Schmidt the strength coach chose to leave because Bobbi kept meddling in the strength program.
That was his first tenure.
Copy that... My bad


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by kwcat » Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:03 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:39 pm
seataccat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:52 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Maybe it's because UCD has the better offense.
NDSU had 407 yards and averaged 8.1 yards per play in the first game. 179 and 3.9 in the playoffs. What happened?
ISU threw five interceptions and had two losses on downs. The offense did not need to produce a lot for north of the state and did even less as ISU did a really good job containing Peyton on the line.



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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:10 am

kwcat wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:03 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:39 pm
seataccat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:52 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Maybe it's because UCD has the better offense.
NDSU had 407 yards and averaged 8.1 yards per play in the first game. 179 and 3.9 in the playoffs. What happened?
ISU threw five interceptions and had two losses on downs. The offense did not need to produce a lot for north of the state and did even less as ISU did a really good job containing Peyton on the line.
They contained everything after NDSU’s first play. The question is how?

Ndsu only completed 6 passes for 120 yards and 78 came on the first offensive play of the game. After that they had 42 yards passing, 59 rushing (2.2 per rush) and 101 yards of total offense.

Ndsu had 9 out of 13 possessions with 4 plays or less. 7 punts, 2 fumbles. Longest drive of that set was 15 yards.

Two touchdown drives were 1 play drives with one set up by INT on the 4-yard line. Other 2 TDs were punt and INT returns.

The #1 offense (7.3 per play) in the nation with the #1 QB (193.7) is completely shut down after its first play by the #5 defense in the MVFC. The same defense that allowed 455 yards and lost to S. Illinois 37-7 two weeks earlier at home and gave up 533 yards a week later.


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by RyeCat » Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:18 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:10 am
kwcat wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:03 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:39 pm
seataccat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:52 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Maybe it's because UCD has the better offense.
NDSU had 407 yards and averaged 8.1 yards per play in the first game. 179 and 3.9 in the playoffs. What happened?
ISU threw five interceptions and had two losses on downs. The offense did not need to produce a lot for north of the state and did even less as ISU did a really good job containing Peyton on the line.
They contained everything after NDSU’s first play. The question is how?

Ndsu only completed 6 passes for 120 yards and 78 came on the first offensive play of the game. After that they had 42 yards passing, 59 rushing (2.2 per rush) and 101 yards of total offense.

Ndsu had 9 out of 13 possessions with 4 plays or less. 7 punts, 2 fumbles. Longest drive of that set was 15 yards.

Two touchdown drives were 1 play drives with one set up by INT on the 4-yard line. Other 2 TDs were punt and INT returns.

The #1 offense (7.3 per play) in the nation with the #1 QB (193.7) is completely shut down after its first play by the #5 defense in the MVFC. The same defense that allowed 455 yards and lost to S. Illinois 37-7 two weeks earlier at home and gave up 533 yards a week later.
Fine. I’ll watch both the NDSU and UCD games again :lol:

Payton may have been hobbled even if it wasn’t visibly obvious. He didn’t try to move outside the pocket much and there was no rhythm on offense at all. It kind of had the same vibe as MSU/Yale…with 5 interceptions tossed in for fun. What was puzzling is that there seemed to be no offensive in game adjustments made. Granted, NDSU had led by 7 or 14 the entire game and been winning the defensive battle enough to offset their offensive woes.
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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by 2015cat » Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:39 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:50 pm
According to their depth chart it looks like a 3-4-4.
Looking at the players they had on the field vs Nova it looked like that as well. One OLB always lined up to the boundary and was the one that walked up to make a 4 man front more often. The Field LB would walk up if the slot motioned away. I could see them lining up in a 5 man front vs our 12 and 13 personnel sets.



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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:52 am

RyeCat wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:18 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:10 am
kwcat wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:03 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:39 pm
seataccat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:52 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Maybe it's because UCD has the better offense.
NDSU had 407 yards and averaged 8.1 yards per play in the first game. 179 and 3.9 in the playoffs. What happened?
ISU threw five interceptions and had two losses on downs. The offense did not need to produce a lot for north of the state and did even less as ISU did a really good job containing Peyton on the line.
They contained everything after NDSU’s first play. The question is how?

Ndsu only completed 6 passes for 120 yards and 78 came on the first offensive play of the game. After that they had 42 yards passing, 59 rushing (2.2 per rush) and 101 yards of total offense.

Ndsu had 9 out of 13 possessions with 4 plays or less. 7 punts, 2 fumbles. Longest drive of that set was 15 yards.

Two touchdown drives were 1 play drives with one set up by INT on the 4-yard line. Other 2 TDs were punt and INT returns.

The #1 offense (7.3 per play) in the nation with the #1 QB (193.7) is completely shut down after its first play by the #5 defense in the MVFC. The same defense that allowed 455 yards and lost to S. Illinois 37-7 two weeks earlier at home and gave up 533 yards a week later.
Fine. I’ll watch both the NDSU and UCD games again :lol:

Payton may have been hobbled even if it wasn’t visibly obvious. He didn’t try to move outside the pocket much and there was no rhythm on offense at all. It kind of had the same vibe as MSU/Yale…with 5 interceptions tossed in for fun. What was puzzling is that there seemed to be no offensive in game adjustments made. Granted, NDSU had led by 7 or 14 the entire game and been winning the defensive battle enough to offset their offensive woes.
Thanks, this is more along the lines of what I was looking for.

If Payton was injured coming into the game that would explain some things. Also, your assertion that NDSU was content doing what it was doing due to being in the lead and making plays on defense is understandable. I agree it's puzzling that they didn't seem to make any in game adjustments on offense.


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by technoCat » Tue Dec 30, 2025 10:59 am

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:11 pm
RyeCat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:00 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:12 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Matchups for one and football is an emotional game number two
Hmm, they gave up 179 to ndsu and 533 to UC Davis. What were the matchup issues?
Payton is pretty much a pure pocket passer. Pinick, as we know, is super slippery and mobile.
Cole Payton ran for just shy of 800 yards this year.
Yeah were did this Payton doesn't run thing come from? Its ALL he did last year. The main concern coming into this year was if he could throw. It’s why I think everyone was so surprised his completion percentage was so high.


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by cats2506 » Tue Dec 30, 2025 11:30 am

technoCat wrote:
Tue Dec 30, 2025 10:59 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:11 pm
RyeCat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:00 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 5:12 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:21 pm
I’m baffled that ISU played so well defensively vs NDSU and didn’t do well vs UC Davis. :shrug:
Matchups for one and football is an emotional game number two
Hmm, they gave up 179 to ndsu and 533 to UC Davis. What were the matchup issues?
Payton is pretty much a pure pocket passer. Pinick, as we know, is super slippery and mobile.
Cole Payton ran for just shy of 800 yards this year.
Yeah were did this Payton doesn't run thing come from? Its ALL he did last year. The main concern coming into this year was if he could throw. It’s why I think everyone was so surprised his completion percentage was so high.
This is pretty much what I thought of Peyton too. but their ISU game was weird, he didn't seem like the same QB


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by RickRund » Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:06 pm

SLC_Cat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 8:24 pm
lutecat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 7:41 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:38 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Dec 29, 2025 3:14 pm
Jake Anderson, 6-5, 295 is a good DT. He was honorable mention this year and second team last year. They had three players on the first and second team from their defense.

Niekamp is a beast at LB. MVFC POY. His dad(?) is the DC.
Niekamp sounds familiar.....wasn't he an assistant at UM under Bob Stitt?

(maybe this is old news...I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere)
Yes, and their strength coach was at UM under Stitt. Pretty sure Niekamp was their LB coach. Semore was their DC. He’s now the DC at Southern Miss.
Strength and conditioning coach was let go by.....Bobby Hauck.
If I'm remembering correctly... according to Schmidt the strength coach chose to leave because Bobbi kept meddling in the strength program.
Hauck was meddling, please say that isn’t true…


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Re: ISU uses the 3-3-5 D

Post by SLC_Cat » Tue Dec 30, 2025 4:24 pm

I remember the playing surface being such a problem in Frisco and was happy to see that FirstBank Stadium has artificial turf.

After rewatching last year's championship game it reminded me that they had team specific painted enzones and NCAA logos. I wonder how they will accomidate those details on the field turf, or are we going to see "Vanderbuilt" in the endzones.


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