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Whether it was AI or someone in the sports information department, it would be asinine to not get some input or assistance for a public apology like that after the interaction had it's Internet moment.
Agree with D-Wreck. I am from a pre-historic time before the dawning of the “Age of AI”. Had to write a lot of difficult letters to employees or friends over the years….or draft technical or position papers for a company. I always would try to reach out to a trusted confidante for a read so any blind spot I had would be covered. And when I was a staff assistant, supervisors would give documents to me to read and comment before they finalized…guess I would be called the AI of the day!! I had an OUTSTANDING administrative assistant once and I could sit down with her to explain that I would like an article or letter to say….. the key things I would like to say/emphasize…she would put it together and I would say “wow, you got that right!”. And of course my wife would often give me “constructive critique” before I sent something. In the olden days when we had things called “newspapers” there was an “editorial staff” for a reason.
The key point…..I just appreciate Julius getting this out there quickly and I believe his intent was sincere.
I am on the complete other side of this issue. I grew up in Bozeman, practiced from 85-88 (note: not "played much" hahaha), and I and my wallet bleed Blue-n-Gold.
This is Coach Vigen's fault. And he should come out with a statement clarifying that and anything else that he wants to clarify as the Leader.
Give me Vigen and Davis every day of the week, and twice on Saturday. I want that fire, passion, and energy all the time. If it costs me a few yards now and then, well I'm good with that. The player will spend time after Tuesday practice pumping bear crawls, however, but at least we have an understanding amongst men.
The film shows Davis joking with #3 and #4, and high-fiving. #3 (I believe) was the backup QB at Wisconsin when they both played there. Julius was heading to congratulate #8 when Vigen made contact with him.Vigen came over and pulled him away to go to the song/prayer circle. Vigen was animated and adamant about Julius going to the prayer circle, when Julius said screw it and headed the other way. He had every right to congratulate the other team and meet up with the old teammates. The video clearly shows it was cordial and brotherly. The moment Vigen puts his hands on Davis, Davis has a right to disagree with that treatment. In addition, he just walked off the fieid after 3 hours of intense physical and emotional battle.
My only caveat: once done with football, JD has no area to place this passion and energy. May need some help in his transition because if not, this fire could get him in some real-world hot water.
I ran scout team under Kramer (DB coach), Dunn (DL coach), etc. Let's call it a great learning situation that I will never forget and am thankful for as I raise my kids. We experienced this passion every practice.
Yeah definitely feels like Vigen was trying to mitigate/prevent a situation and it blew up.
Assumptions, miscommunication, heat of the moment... all of it contributed to what happened.
Not a good look all around but it feels like Vigen kind of exacerbated it.
Regardless, good on Davis for posting something and it sounds like they are good and have moved on.
We should too.
People have commented on vibes feeling “weird” at this game. Nanacat mentioned in an earlier post that #7 looked like he wanted to fight many plays…and I observed the same…it wasn’t just a once off occurrence. There was a “chippiness feel”.
I commented to my wife watching the post game “congrats and good game” exchange on the field among opposing players looked “off” and just observing….told her it looked like some tenseness was there in some areas…I actually thought there might be some blows exchanged. It felt to me that Yale assistant coaches were trying to push Yale players back towards the locker room….their team captain #7 Pitsenberger was out rounding up players from the middle of the Bobcat players waving them or encouraging them back towards the Yale locker room. And there was effort to coax the Bobcat players back also. It was just “different” from a typical game.
Now Vigen has been around a few years and I trust him to know when to intervene and help prevent escalation even though Julius may not have been in a confrontation at the time. And he probably knows the folks on our team who could escalate quickly if things went south a bit. He is the head coach not Julius Davis.
And there must be more to it than just Julius when the after game comment from Adam Jones mentioned this is “not who we are”.
Coach has my complete support in this situation. And as many have said it will get handled in the locker room and by the staff without my input. Davis has been a firebrand and protector of his teammates all season and I love him for it. He will be there when some of our guys take a cheap shot. One side of me says that if handled right, Julius Davis might the maddest meanest toughest guy on the field against SFA….because he wants it.
Bottom line is we as a team did not handle the emotions of the game very well. We will never know what all took place or why it happened but we were definitely off our game. I would fully expect a much cleaner, more focused, tighter effort on Friday night.
I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
That's exactly what I saw too. Our CBs talk alot of trash but I haven't seen the cheap shots physically like I saw #7 doing. Hands to the face over and over. They even moved him to the other side of the field and he still did it. Should have been made to sit down imo.
I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
Not sure if it was 7 but one player went up to Fleischmann and squeezed his tricep like he was feeling his muscles. no idea what that was about.
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I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
Not sure if it was 7 but one player went up to Fleischmann and squeezed his tricep like he was feeling his muscles. no idea what that was about.
It was #6 I think. I couldn't tell if he was giving Titan a hard time about the penalty or doing something innocent after Titan ripped the officials a new one.
My biggest fear in all of this, is that any team we play from here on out is going to try and get Julius to lash out and do something dumb. I just really hope we can control his composure and just play the game.
My biggest fear in all of this, is that any team we play from here on out is going to try and get Julius to lash out and do something dumb. I just really hope we can control his composure and just play the game.
Of course they will. He should be fine. And if he cant handle it, then he sits.
My biggest fear in all of this, is that any team we play from here on out is going to try and get Julius to lash out and do something dumb. I just really hope we can control his composure and just play the game.
Of course they will. He should be fine. And if he cant handle it, then he sits.
This isn't the first time Davis has had an emotional outburst. It was just happened after the game this time so it was easy for ESPN to focus on it without another play to move on to. I don't know how easy it is for opposing teams to scout for this kind of thing but I would almost guarantee that the griz already knew he's someone to target. Now SFA knows but the next game is the least likely to be an issue.
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I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
It’s a position where you have to be very, very, high confidence if you want to be good. A little attitude there doesn’t bother me at all. Don’t like it, then shut em up. That’s the beauty of football!
The officials will pre-game this very circumstance and will be cognizant of not only Julius but the opposing players trying to taunt or goad him into a reaction, which in itself is a violation and should be regarded as such via yellow laundry.
I am on the complete other side of this issue. I grew up in Bozeman, practiced from 85-88 (note: not "played much" hahaha), and I and my wallet bleed Blue-n-Gold.
This is Coach Vigen's fault. And he should come out with a statement clarifying that and anything else that he wants to clarify as the Leader.
Give me Vigen and Davis every day of the week, and twice on Saturday. I want that fire, passion, and energy all the time. If it costs me a few yards now and then, well I'm good with that. The player will spend time after Tuesday practice pumping bear crawls, however, but at least we have an understanding amongst men.
The film shows Davis joking with #3 and #4, and high-fiving. #3 (I believe) was the backup QB at Wisconsin when they both played there. Julius was heading to congratulate #8 when Vigen made contact with him.Vigen came over and pulled him away to go to the song/prayer circle. Vigen was animated and adamant about Julius going to the prayer circle, when Julius said screw it and headed the other way. He had every right to congratulate the other team and meet up with the old teammates. The video clearly shows it was cordial and brotherly. The moment Vigen puts his hands on Davis, Davis has a right to disagree with that treatment. In addition, he just walked off the fieid after 3 hours of intense physical and emotional battle.
My only caveat: once done with football, JD has no area to place this passion and energy. May need some help in his transition because if not, this fire could get him in some real-world hot water.
I ran scout team under Kramer (DB coach), Dunn (DL coach), etc. Let's call it a great learning situation that I will never forget and am thankful for as I raise my kids. We experienced this passion every practice.
I disagree. It seems like there are 2 issues. The fact there was some talking before game that made coaches really watching after and expectation to go join teammates for song and prayer. Vigen may have told him to get going first and when he went toward 2nd player Vigen grabbed him. Full in his right to do that. Davis avoids that and everything else once he is told to go.
I can see the where possibly a lot of this chipiness that started pre game and carried over post game .Listen to the post game with Yales coach McGowan towards the end of this post game presser where coach refers to his players studying for finals and going "to a real school".
My biggest fear in all of this, is that any team we play from here on out is going to try and get Julius to lash out and do something dumb. I just really hope we can control his composure and just play the game.
Of course they will. He should be fine. And if he cant handle it, then he sits.
If this is the first time they've seen him lose his temper, they aren't scouting.
My biggest fear in all of this, is that any team we play from here on out is going to try and get Julius to lash out and do something dumb. I just really hope we can control his composure and just play the game.
Of course they will. He should be fine. And if he cant handle it, then he sits.
If this is the first time they've seen him lose his temper, they aren't scouting.
I think it was in 2023 Sac State had a player spit on him and I thought Julius was going to unalive that clown.
I’ll say this: if you guys don’t like the antics of #7 from Yale, then you must really hate how the majority of the CB’s act.
I personally don't like the way most CBs act. Williams celebrating a drop which he had nothing to with, like he had a PBU is stupid. CBs do that regularly and it looks dumb. #7 for Yale was head and shoulders above any of our guys, and anyone we've played this season when it comes to trash talking and chipiness. He wanted to start something every play there was a player within 5 yards of him when the play ended. Face mask to face mask regularly, putting hands on guys. He was a clown above the rest.
It’s a position where you have to be very, very, high confidence if you want to be good. A little attitude there doesn’t bother me at all. Don’t like it, then shut em up. That’s the beauty of football!
I agree, but I think the seat belt and thumbs down should be reserved for a situation in which a guy was good in coverage, not when they get beat and the ball is overthrown, or a slant is dropped and the CB was 2 yards behind the WR.
no idea what that was about.
