How do Cats stack up against Griz

[TomCat88]

You can end two old wives tales in one swat regarding falling behind at WGS with 'first Cat-Game ever' Chris Murray in 2016. A just turned 18-year-old true freshman 'playing his first game at WGS' was sacked on his first pass attempt on MSU's opening possession, went three-and-out, and 'fell behind 7-0 right off the bat.' Then watched as UM scored on its first play of the game. He led MSU to 24 unanswered points and ended up with 142 yards rushing, two touchdowns on 5.5/carry.

You can 'fall behind' in Missoula AND 'win with a first-time starter' even it's an 18-year-old.

MSU also trailed there in 2012 and 2018. And 1984. Travis Lulay and DeNarius McGhee both won there as freshman. Andersen won there as a sophomore. All first-time starters.

[nanacat]

You can end two old wives tales in one swat regarding falling behind at WGS with 'first Cat-Game ever' Chris Murray in 2016. A just turned 18-year-old true freshman 'playing his first game at WGS' was sacked on his first pass attempt on MSU's opening possession, went three-and-out, and 'fell behind 7-0 right off the bat.' Then watched as UM scored on its first play of the game. He led MSU to 24 unanswered points and ended up with 142 yards rushing, two touchdowns on 5.5/carry.

You can 'fall behind' in Missoula AND 'win with a first-time starter' even it's an 18-year-old.

MSU also trailed there in 2012 and 2018. And 1984. Travis Lulay and DeNarius McGhee both won there as freshman. Andersen won there as a sophomore. All first-time starters.

I like it! Thanks Tom!

I do recall a period of time where the road team got the win, like 3 or 4 years in a row I think. Maybe it's time, this time, to go back to that. Just for this game of course

[MTnative]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You disagree because it fits your broken ignorant narrative.

If Ahyat goes out on Saturday, are you going to say the same thing? No, you aren’t. Because it’s stupid.

[Hell's Bells]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You disagree because it fits your broken ignorant narrative.

If Ahyat goes out on Saturday, are you going to say the same thing? No, you aren’t. Because it’s stupid.

SDSU will be back. Honestly Iam amazed they were as good for as long as they have been this year

[tetoncat]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You disagree because it fits your broken ignorant narrative.

If Ahyat goes out on Saturday, are you going to say the same thing? No, you aren’t. Because it’s stupid.

SDSU will be back. Honestly Iam amazed they were as good for as long as they have been this year

New coaching staff, lost a lot of players to portal. I think studs who stayed held it together but with so many of them out, the lack of depth and experience really showed.

[Hell's Bells]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You disagree because it fits your broken ignorant narrative.

If Ahyat goes out on Saturday, are you going to say the same thing? No, you aren’t. Because it’s stupid.

SDSU will be back. Honestly Iam amazed they were as good for as long as they have been this year

New coaching staff, lost a lot of players to portal. I think studs who stayed held it together but with so many of them out, the lack of depth and experience really showed.

Exactly. They will be able to rebuild

[TomCat88]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.
(Henry) 45-75-3, 393, 2 TD passes 104.8 passer rating.
(M/H combined) 86-146-5, 885, 6 TD passes 112.9

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

It's not about how good Mason is, it's about the drop off between Mason and Marble/Henry. When the gap between one player and another at quarterback is this big there's going to be a drop off in play for the whole team. SDSU is now on its third QB (Henry). Very few teams lose their full-time starting QB (not to mention their other losses) to injury in the middle of the season and then make a seamless transition to the backup. There's a passer rating drop off of 44.5.

SDSU was already showing signs of weakening before he left due, in part, to player losses (O'Groske was out after the 4th game and has played just once since) but when Mason went down the dam broke.

Others who are out injured for SDSU, linebacker Chase Van Tol, defensive linemen Aaron Wolfcale-Holsten and Mason Broussard and running backs Corey Blair and Brendan Begeman.

It's not as much about all the players and the coach they lost as it is the injuries they've had during this season.

[ilovethecats]

You can end two old wives tales in one swat regarding falling behind at WGS with 'first Cat-Game ever' Chris Murray in 2016. A just turned 18-year-old true freshman 'playing his first game at WGS' was sacked on his first pass attempt on MSU's opening possession, went three-and-out, and 'fell behind 7-0 right off the bat.' Then watched as UM scored on its first play of the game. He led MSU to 24 unanswered points and ended up with 142 yards rushing, two touchdowns on 5.5/carry.

You can 'fall behind' in Missoula AND 'win with a first-time starter' even it's an 18-year-old.

MSU also trailed there in 2012 and 2018. And 1984. Travis Lulay and DeNarius McGhee both won there as freshman. Andersen won there as a sophomore. All first-time starters.

That was a GREAT day. I can think of a couple examples off the top of my head where they jumped on us right away and never looked back.

I'll be there Saturday. It's not like if the griz go up 7-0 I'm leaving my seats and walking to the car because there isn't a way the Cats can win after that. But I'd prefer if we didn't get down early and let that already rowdy crowd get even rowdier. Especially with a qb who has never stepped foot in that place.

[MrGoodKat]

One thing that really helps MSU is that they just had to face a QB who is better than Ah Yat. UCD has a good front and Pinnick is a better overall player than KAY. They also had to deal with Ty Pennington, who probably isn't as good as KAY, but is still one of the best QB's in the conference. The defense really limited both guys.

Pinnick Minus MSU: 148/209, 71%, 1987 yds, 9.5 YPA, 20 TD, 6 INT, 79 carries, 237 yds, 3.0 YPC, 3 TD
Pinnick @ MSU: 22/36, 61 %, 234 yds, 6.5 YPA, 2 TD, 2 INT, 22 carries, 70 yds, 3.2 YPC, 0 TD

Pennington Minus MSU: 201/295, 68%, 2611 yds, 8.9 YPA, 17 TD, 2 INT, 73 carries, 166 yds, 2.3 YPC, 2 TD
Pennington Vs. MSU: 28/47, 60%, 210 yds, 4.5 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT, 10 carries, 9 yards, 0 TD

If MSU's defense has a similar impact on Ah Yat, then his passing line would look something like this:

20/34, 59%, 204 yds, 6.0 YPC, 2 TD, 1 INT

On the other hand, the best QB that the Griz had to play in-conference was probably Jordan Cooke, but the way ISU plays offense is so different from MSU that it isn't really that comparable. You could make a case for Cardell Williams, but he's a guy whose passing production is set up by his running ability. He also had a really productive day Vs. UM through the air.

OOC, Kaminski is easily the best guy they've seen. He's not the efficient passer that Lamson is, but he's a good, big dual threat. He had a really good day @UM, though it was so long ago that it's hard to know how relevant it is.

Bottom Line: The four best passers in the BSC are Pinnick, Lamson, Ah Yat, and Pennington. MSU has played two of them and been highly successful. UM hasn't seen any.

[MrGoodKat]

On the other side, Ah Yat is going to be faced with head and shoulders the best passing defense he has seen all year.

MSU allowed 5.72 YPA (6th in FCS), 9.48 YPC (1st in FCS), 198 yds/gm (33rd in FCS)

The next best unit that UM has seen is UND:

6.43 YPA (17th in FCS), 10.94 YPC (21st in FCS), 200 yds/gm (36th in FCS)

The next best in conference than UM has seen is SAC:

6.93 YPA, 11.35 YPC, 209 yds/gm

[Cataholic]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

[Cataholic]

Montana’s red zone defense ranks 1st in the conference and 16th in the nation (Cats rank 37th).

Montana ranks 1st in the conference (and 2nd in the nation) in turnovers gained (Cats are tied with nine teams for the 16th rank in the nation).

Montana ranks 1st in the conference (and 2nd in the nation) in passes intercepted (Cats are tied with seventeen teams for the 24th rank).

Montana ranks 6th in the nation in total offense (Cats are rank 16th).

Montana ranks 2nd in the nation in scoring offense (Cats rank 10th).

Ah Yat ranks 1st in the conference (3rd in the nation) in passing yards (Lamson ranks 31st).

Ah Yat ranks 1st in the conference (6th in the nation) in passing TDs (Lamson is tied with three others for the 21st rank).

Wortham is 3rd in the nation in all-purpose yards and Gillman is 20th (no Cats are in the top 50). Gillman is 6th in the nation in rushing yards (Davis is 38th).

As previously mentioned, the OOC schedule numbers radically skew your statistical analysis. If you can’t accept the apples to apples opponents,(or as close as it can be with an unbalanced conference schedule) at least grasp that your info is taken with a dose of “so what” and discounted as wishful drivel. If you insist on fantasy because it’s shaded the way you like, don’t expect anyone to take you seriously.

Totally expecting you to discount the information and take it with a dose of “so what.” I’m not pretending that this information predicts a Montana victory, but I think it’s funny how you and others believe there is some kind of empirical formula that concretizes “SOS” data and deletes “OOC” data and miraculously comes up with anything more meaningful than the above.

By excluding OOC games, you make the samples more comparable and therefore more meaningful.

What’s the point in comparing a game against Oregon to a game against Central Washington?

They are just cumulative stats kept by the FCS for all games played to date. It’s fair to view them as meaningless if that’s your view. There must be a few people who find them at least interesting, because otherwise they wouldn’t be maintained and published. To each his own.

I’m just asking if you see my point?

I don’t dispute that every team plays a different schedule. So if I was saying the stats mean Montana is a better team, I get your point. But I wasn’t. I just laid them out there without comment or intended analysis.

I see the Cats opened up as a 2.5 point favorite. You were way off base. Didn’t you say the Gris would be a 7 to 10 point favorite? I am sure you have some flimsy excuse like those oddsmakers don’t know anything.

You are right on … I was predicting Griz -7. It opens with Cats -2.5. It will be fun to see where it closes Saturday morning before kickoff. I’m 9.5 points off the mark as of today.

So the oddsmakers believe the Cats are 2.5 points better than the Gris playing in Missoula. They are giving 2.5 points just to entice people to bet on the game. Are you saying they don’t know what they are doing? You do realize that the odds then adjust based on the bets. That is how Vegas makes money whether either team wins. I agree that there are a ton of stupid Gris fans that will bet the house on their undefeated team and move the spread.

Pretty amazing at the lack of support by bettors for the Gris. Virtually no change in the lines at MT Sportsbet. It appears very few people are willing to take the Gris even with the Cats giving 2.5 points.

[OldGriz]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

[Cataholic]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

[OldGriz]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

[85CatGrad]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

You will be-moaning after a belly full of humble pie on Saturday. Hope you can muster the courage to revisit this board post game. Bye-bye little bear.

[iaafan]

Chase Mason went out during the Murray State game.
SDSU with Chase Mason starting:
7-0 record
(Mason) 111-168-1, 1,419 yards, 11 TD passes 157.4 passer rating.
60-165-4, 2.8 rushing, 4 TD runs

SDSU w/o Mason:
0-4 record
(Marble) 41-71-2, 492, 4 TD passes 128.9 passer rating.

Maybe it's just me, but they've obviously missed Mason greatly. They're also without WR Lofton O'Groske, who has 27-347-4 (12.9) in 4.5 games, and one of their best defensive players. O'Groske played hurt vs NDSU but didn't play in the 3 games prior to that. They could easily be 10-1 had Mason and O'Groske et al not gone out. At least 9-2.

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

[DriftCat]

I think I disagree. I mean, it hurts any team to lose a starter. But Mason’s 11 TD passes over 7 games was hardly spectacular, especially considering that 6 of them came against Montana State and Mercyhurst (3 TD passes in each of those two games). Yes, he was a significant factor in MSU’s loss. But a good team would have been able to survive his departure. SDSU didn’t.

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

That’s exactly what he’s saying but he’ll likely deny it. Not even sure why anyone responds to him. He’ll say SDSU shouldn’t drop off just because they lost their QB and they’ve always been bad and then turn around and act like EWU suddenly became a juggernaut when a RS freshman QB entered the game.

He’s the self-proclaimed greatest football mind to grace the earth because he played football in the early 1900s but has the worst takes I’ve ever seen…all slanted and distorted to fit whatever narrative he wants. I’m actually embarrassed for him.

[Cataholic]

You think you disagree? So you are trying to give yourself room to argue the other way later on if it suits your purpose? Mason averaged 2 TD's per game between his passing and rushing. The team clearly was far weaker without him at QB. You are the only one arguing that the team was not crippled on offense without him and their top WR O'Groske, who is probably the best WR MSU has faced this year outside of the Oregon game. Fact is, SDSU was undefeated until they lost Mason. Had he not been injured, they would at the very least, not be in danger of missing the playoffs.

If UM lost Keali'i Ah Yat and Michael Wortham, they would also be in a lot of trouble as the passing game would no longer be viable and teams would focus on just shutting down Eli Gillman. You are either willfully being obtuse or simply trolling and either way, the drivel you spew is par for the course.

Good news for you is that your most important players are not injured and UM will make the playoffs regardless of how badly MSU beats UM this weekend.

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

That’s exactly what he’s saying but he’ll likely deny it. Not even sure why anyone responds to him. He’ll say SDSU shouldn’t drop off just because they lost their QB and they’ve always been bad and then turn around and act like EWU suddenly became a juggernaut when a RS freshman QB entered the game.

He’s the self-proclaimed greatest football mind to grace the earth because he played football in the early 1900s but has the worst takes I’ve ever seen…all slanted and distorted to fit whatever narrative he wants. I’m actually embarrassed for him.

This is exactly why he should keep posting! It shows how little he knows about football! You would think self awareness would kick in when many people actually know who the person is behind the “anonymous” account. What a tool.

[seataccat]

You have built a nice narrative that sounds good if you say it fast about how SDSU was a strong team before they lost some players. In reality, though, Mason’s passing touchdown proficiency was mediocre except against Mercyhurst and Montana State. In his other five games he averaged one passing TD per game (woo hoo!). When I said I think I disagree, that’s called listening and having an open mind, rather than calling Tom an idiot or a buffoon. He is neither. But that nice little narrative about how SDSU was a force to be reckoned with back when MSU took them to overtime isn’t holding water.

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

That’s exactly what he’s saying but he’ll likely deny it. Not even sure why anyone responds to him. He’ll say SDSU shouldn’t drop off just because they lost their QB and they’ve always been bad and then turn around and act like EWU suddenly became a juggernaut when a RS freshman QB entered the game.

He’s the self-proclaimed greatest football mind to grace the earth because he played football in the early 1900s but has the worst takes I’ve ever seen…all slanted and distorted to fit whatever narrative he wants. I’m actually embarrassed for him.

This is exactly why he should keep posting! It shows how little he knows about football! You would think self awareness would kick in when many people actually know who the person is behind the “anonymous” account. What a tool.

This guy is so perplexing to me. He played football for Miles City High School back in the day. He's also native American. I played against Miles City Cowboys back in the day. I think it would have been easier to beat the Dallas Cowboys. He was obviously a great player in his day. Also being a native American that became so successful should give him cred. Then he went on to play football at Dartmouth. In those days Dartmouth was a legit top 25 team in major college football. He was most certainly a super achiever to be playing at that level in those days. He's ivy League educated with a law degree from Stanford I believe. This guy was definitely an over achiever for any time period. I want to like and respect him.
But damn, he must have been dropped on his head late in life. He is absolutely shameless in his grandiose bragging, name dropping and self promotion. He has no ties to grizzly athletics or the University of Montana outside of being a sponsor and jock sniffer. It's obvious he doesn't really understand how to break down and analyze defensive schemes by the stupid things he says, despite being a high level player from back in the day.
It's actually kind of scary to see what happens when you've invested so much of your life into something for nostalgia and cannot let go of your glory days and evolve. It's really quite pathetic and actually illustrates that this rivalry has been taken to far for some people.