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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by OldGriz » Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:00 pm

seataccat wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 7:45 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
Whatever the line is the gris aren't going to be a 10 point favorite like you said in the other thread. If you're willing to stand behind that prediction I'll take that bet for as much as you're willing to lose.
Well, what I said was, no more than 10 points and maybe even as close as 7 points. Seven points is a tight game. Wouldn’t you agree Montana is right now the underdog to be the underdog (aka, Montana is the likely favorite)?



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by bobcatfan123 » Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:22 pm

OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:00 pm
seataccat wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 7:45 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
Whatever the line is the gris aren't going to be a 10 point favorite like you said in the other thread. If you're willing to stand behind that prediction I'll take that bet for as much as you're willing to lose.
Well, what I said was, no more than 10 points and maybe even as close as 7 points. Seven points is a tight game. Wouldn’t you agree Montana is right now the underdog to be the underdog (aka, Montana is the likely favorite)?
I think you’re asking the wrong crowd. Biased or not, I’ll take MSU to score more points in four quarters than the Griz will in the half their offense decides to show up for. When the Griz prove they can play a full game, then maybe they’ll be the favorite — but right now, that level of play won’t cut it against us.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tdub » Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm

OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by OldGriz » Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:09 pm

tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I agree with your last sentence. Sportsbooks won’t look to the overall records, to the coaches’ poll, or the writers’ poll to pick their favorites. They will set their straight money line bets and point margins based on their best grasp of relative strength.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:45 pm

tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I think EWU’s QB got hurt. UM should destroy them.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by RickRund » Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:49 pm

This is how a VERY pathetic gris fan answers the “how do the CATS stack up against the gris”. They are a couple of doozy gris fans on facelessbook. I kept asking them to give me their prediction since they hate the CATS with such a passion.

Eric Rund I already told your incomprehensible brain. Griz 42-20 over the ****** scats.

Gotta love those gris fans.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tetoncat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 8:37 am

RickRund wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:49 pm
This is how a VERY pathetic gris fan answers the “how do the CATS stack up against the gris”. They are a couple of doozy gris fans on facelessbook. I kept asking them to give me their prediction since they hate the CATS with such a passion.

Eric Rund I already told your incomprehensible brain. Griz 42-20 over the ****** scats.

Gotta love those gris fans.
Normal fans who really follow the team will not predict a blow out, and haven't the last 4 years. But the game will play out and due to the emotions of it, a few plays here and there can turn the score lopsided. Then those casual fans on both sides will waive their prediction and say ,I told you so.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:13 am

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:45 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I think EWU’s QB got hurt. UM should destroy them.
If Bell is unable to go or not close to 100% it will be a blowout for um, but in all fairness when we played EWU they were still trying to figure out who was their QB.

Regardless of if Bell plays or not, Bobby will let him know that if he jumps in the portal he will be um's #1 transfer in Jan.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by WalkOn79 » Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:25 am

OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:09 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I agree with your last sentence. Sportsbooks won’t look to the overall records, to the coaches’ poll, or the writers’ poll to pick their favorites. They will set their straight money line bets and point margins based on their best grasp of relative strength.
I would be shocked if the line opened at anything more than 2.5 either way.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by PortlandCat90 » Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:53 pm

cats2506 wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:13 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:45 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I think EWU’s QB got hurt. UM should destroy them.
If Bell is unable to go or not close to 100% it will be a blowout for um, but in all fairness when we played EWU they were still trying to figure out who was their QB.

Regardless of if Bell plays or not, Bobby will let him know that if he jumps in the portal he will be um's #1 transfer in Jan.
Hahaha....quote of the week! I don't follow the Gris/Pandas but it only took me a second to research your jab and figure it out. Hauck has gone from developing players - portal reliance - portal reliance of arch enemy players. What comes next?

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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by hilinegrizfan » Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:17 pm

anyone who says they know what will happen and is confident is either lying, stupid, or will be lucky.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:57 pm

hilinegrizfan wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:17 pm
anyone who says they know what will happen and is confident is either lying, stupid, or will be lucky.
I’m confident, but also arguably stupid, so fair point.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Nov 04, 2025 5:03 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:57 pm
hilinegrizfan wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:17 pm
anyone who says they know what will happen and is confident is either lying, stupid, or will be lucky.
I’m confident, but also arguably stupid, so fair point.
What if you know but don’t say?


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by 91catAlum » Tue Nov 04, 2025 5:20 pm

WalkOn79 wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:25 am
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 9:09 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:50 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:18 pm
tdub wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:08 pm
OldGriz wrote:
Mon Nov 03, 2025 1:42 pm
How do the Cats stack up against Griz? There is always a possibility that the Cats could upset the Griz. But there’s a reason the FCS coaches and the FCS writers believe the Griz are better than the Cats. Granted, the majority of Bobcatnation believes it knows more than the coaches and beat writers. The Brawl will settle it and it’s gonna be fun.
Some savvy trolling by continuing to slide in the word “upset”. Usually you combine it with a point spread you pulled out of your a$$. The reason the pollsters and coaches (let’s be honest, interns) have them ranked ahead is due to the “0” in the loss column. Which is fine. Guarantee you swap OOC schedules and that wouldn’t be happening. The committee, yes 11 very interested administrators, that actually spends the time analyzing the teams, says it is not an upset. But you do so it’s the truth!!
Good food for thought. Thank you. But may I ask — how do the Cats end up giving points in this game? In other words, are you predicting that the Cats will actually be the sportsbook (betting line) favorite in The Brawl? I guess I never envisioned any disagreement there. But that’s big news if you’re predicting the Griz will be underdogs at home.
I’m not very well-versed in gambling, so don’t know what Vegas will do. I know only enough to be dangerous and lose money. The line will open with a spread that will entice the most money to come into the game. One thing is for sure, Vegas knows way more than the polls you continue to pass on as gospel. I’ve seen you say 7 to 10 point favorites for the gris. I would be absolutely blown away if the spread between the #2 and #3 teams would indicate more than a one score victory. If this game was at MSU, I could see the line opening at something like MSU -4.5. But in Missoula? I’d be surprised if it was +/- 1.5. I’d actually guess the Cats -1.5. That line will draw money in on both sides, but especially gris money, and be justifiable. So at this point, I’d say yes, the Cats will open as favorites. Two weeks worth of game results, and injuries can change all of that.

I’ll be very transparent and say by watching both play, I firmly believe the Cats are a much stronger and deeper overall team. So in my mind the Cats winning would be anything but an upset. Evidence lies in margins of victory, common opponents, driven by the large gap in the two defenses. The Cats haven’t struggled with any conference opponents to date. Your boys definitely have, especially the two common opponents of ISU and CP. Your EWU game is an important factor in this. Signs of struggle would validate my line of thinking all 3 games vs. common opponents. Vegas would notice that. Blow them out, Vegas will note that too and swings the pendulum back towards Missoula.

One thing I know for sure, Vegas won’t be influenced by “11-0 vs. 9-2” or some polls to set the line.
I agree with your last sentence. Sportsbooks won’t look to the overall records, to the coaches’ poll, or the writers’ poll to pick their favorites. They will set their straight money line bets and point margins based on their best grasp of relative strength.
I would be shocked if the line opened at anything more than 2.5 either way.
On a neutral field I’d expect the Cats to be favored by about 4-5 points. But Missoula gives them a big home advantage, somewhere between 7-10 points. So my guess is that the line will open about griz -4.

Then it will quickly move down as money goes in on the Cats getting 4 points.
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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by RockyBearCat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 5:53 pm

@Prodigal Cat --- What is the gris record against the spread this year. Same question for CATS?



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:10 pm

Regarding title of the thread, MSU and UM have two common opponents so far. Cal Poly and Idaho State. Here are how the two teams have fared comparatively.

MSU offensively:
Passing: 180 yards per game
Rushing: 337 yards per game.
Total: 517 yards per game.
YPP: 6.7
PPG: 41

MSU defensively:
Passing: 279 YPG
Rushing: 43 YPG
Total: 332 YPG
YPP: 5.6
PPG: 15.5

UM offensively:
Passing: 328 YPG
Rushing: 147.5 YPG
Total: 475.5 YPG
YPP: 5.8
PPG: 35

UM defensively:
Passing: 323 YPG
Rushing: 93.5 YPG
Total: 416.5 YPG
YPP: 6.2
PPG: 23.5

Now we’ll look at in conference play.

MSU Offensively:
Passing: 242 YPG
Rushing: 270 YPG
Total: 512 YPG
YPP: 7.6
PPG: 45.6

UM Offensively:
Passing: 286 YPG
Rushing: 167.8 YPG
Total: 454 YPG
YPP: 6.3
PPG: 39.6

MSU Defensively:
Passing: 210 YPG
Rushing: 71.8 YPG
Total: 281.8 YPG
YPP: 4.2
PPG: 10.2

UM Defensively:
Passing: 291.6 YPG
Rushing: 110 YPG
Total: 401.6 YPG
YPP: 5.8 YPP
PPG: 25.8

Of particular importance, MSU has allowed 5 TD’s on 11 RZ attempts, UM has allowed 12 TD’s on 18 attempts. 45% vs 66%. Justin Lamson leads the conference in TD passes thrown (13) and has 0 interceptions. KAY is tied for 3rd in TD passes thrown (8) while also throwing 3 picks.

There really isn’t a category where they’re better than MSU. So, that’s how things are stacking up.



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by bobcatfan123 » Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:20 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:10 pm
Regarding title of the thread, MSU and UM have two common opponents so far. Cal Poly and Idaho State. Here are how the two teams have fared comparatively.

MSU offensively:
Passing: 180 yards per game
Rushing: 337 yards per game.
Total: 517 yards per game.
YPP: 6.7
PPG: 41

MSU defensively:
Passing: 279 YPG
Rushing: 43 YPG
Total: 332 YPG
YPP: 5.6
PPG: 15.5

UM offensively:
Passing: 328 YPG
Rushing: 147.5 YPG
Total: 475.5 YPG
YPP: 5.8
PPG: 35

UM defensively:
Passing: 323 YPG
Rushing: 93.5 YPG
Total: 416.5 YPG
YPP: 6.2
PPG: 23.5

Now we’ll look at in conference play.

MSU Offensively:
Passing: 242 YPG
Rushing: 270 YPG
Total: 512 YPG
YPP: 7.6
PPG: 45.6

UM Offensively:
Passing: 286 YPG
Rushing: 167.8 YPG
Total: 454 YPG
YPP: 6.3
PPG: 39.6

MSU Defensively:
Passing: 210 YPG
Rushing: 71.8 YPG
Total: 281.8 YPG
YPP: 4.2
PPG: 10.2

UM Defensively:
Passing: 291.6 YPG
Rushing: 110 YPG
Total: 401.6 YPG
YPP: 5.8 YPP
PPG: 25.8

Of particular importance, MSU has allowed 5 TD’s on 11 RZ attempts, UM has allowed 12 TD’s on 18 attempts. 45% vs 66%. Justin Lamson leads the conference in TD passes thrown (13) and has 0 interceptions. KAY is tied for 3rd in TD passes thrown (8) while also throwing 3 picks.

There really isn’t a category where they’re better than MSU. So, that’s how things are stacking up.
Well done! I’m surprised our offense is surpassing the UM categories. Guess we’re less flashy but very effective



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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tetoncat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:38 pm

bobcatfan123 wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:20 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:10 pm
Regarding title of the thread, MSU and UM have two common opponents so far. Cal Poly and Idaho State. Here are how the two teams have fared comparatively.

MSU offensively:
Passing: 180 yards per game
Rushing: 337 yards per game.
Total: 517 yards per game.
YPP: 6.7
PPG: 41

MSU defensively:
Passing: 279 YPG
Rushing: 43 YPG
Total: 332 YPG
YPP: 5.6
PPG: 15.5

UM offensively:
Passing: 328 YPG
Rushing: 147.5 YPG
Total: 475.5 YPG
YPP: 5.8
PPG: 35

UM defensively:
Passing: 323 YPG
Rushing: 93.5 YPG
Total: 416.5 YPG
YPP: 6.2
PPG: 23.5

Now we’ll look at in conference play.

MSU Offensively:
Passing: 242 YPG
Rushing: 270 YPG
Total: 512 YPG
YPP: 7.6
PPG: 45.6

UM Offensively:
Passing: 286 YPG
Rushing: 167.8 YPG
Total: 454 YPG
YPP: 6.3
PPG: 39.6

MSU Defensively:
Passing: 210 YPG
Rushing: 71.8 YPG
Total: 281.8 YPG
YPP: 4.2
PPG: 10.2

UM Defensively:
Passing: 291.6 YPG
Rushing: 110 YPG
Total: 401.6 YPG
YPP: 5.8 YPP
PPG: 25.8

Of particular importance, MSU has allowed 5 TD’s on 11 RZ attempts, UM has allowed 12 TD’s on 18 attempts. 45% vs 66%. Justin Lamson leads the conference in TD passes thrown (13) and has 0 interceptions. KAY is tied for 3rd in TD passes thrown (8) while also throwing 3 picks.

There really isn’t a category where they’re better than MSU. So, that’s how things are stacking up.
Well done! I’m surprised our offense is surpassing the UM categories. Guess we’re less flashy but very effective
Well Griz beat everyone so bad they don't have to score at end of games and sub down. :-^


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by tetoncat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:39 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:10 pm
Regarding title of the thread, MSU and UM have two common opponents so far. Cal Poly and Idaho State. Here are how the two teams have fared comparatively.

MSU offensively:
Passing: 180 yards per game
Rushing: 337 yards per game.
Total: 517 yards per game.
YPP: 6.7
PPG: 41

MSU defensively:
Passing: 279 YPG
Rushing: 43 YPG
Total: 332 YPG
YPP: 5.6
PPG: 15.5

UM offensively:
Passing: 328 YPG
Rushing: 147.5 YPG
Total: 475.5 YPG
YPP: 5.8
PPG: 35

UM defensively:
Passing: 323 YPG
Rushing: 93.5 YPG
Total: 416.5 YPG
YPP: 6.2
PPG: 23.5

Now we’ll look at in conference play.

MSU Offensively:
Passing: 242 YPG
Rushing: 270 YPG
Total: 512 YPG
YPP: 7.6
PPG: 45.6

UM Offensively:
Passing: 286 YPG
Rushing: 167.8 YPG
Total: 454 YPG
YPP: 6.3
PPG: 39.6

MSU Defensively:
Passing: 210 YPG
Rushing: 71.8 YPG
Total: 281.8 YPG
YPP: 4.2
PPG: 10.2

UM Defensively:
Passing: 291.6 YPG
Rushing: 110 YPG
Total: 401.6 YPG
YPP: 5.8 YPP
PPG: 25.8

Of particular importance, MSU has allowed 5 TD’s on 11 RZ attempts, UM has allowed 12 TD’s on 18 attempts. 45% vs 66%. Justin Lamson leads the conference in TD passes thrown (13) and has 0 interceptions. KAY is tied for 3rd in TD passes thrown (8) while also throwing 3 picks.

There really isn’t a category where they’re better than MSU. So, that’s how things are stacking up.
1st half stats would be interesting or 1st 3 quarters.Cats D has been lights out.


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Re: How do Cats stack up against Griz

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:41 pm

tetoncat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:39 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:10 pm
Regarding title of the thread, MSU and UM have two common opponents so far. Cal Poly and Idaho State. Here are how the two teams have fared comparatively.

MSU offensively:
Passing: 180 yards per game
Rushing: 337 yards per game.
Total: 517 yards per game.
YPP: 6.7
PPG: 41

MSU defensively:
Passing: 279 YPG
Rushing: 43 YPG
Total: 332 YPG
YPP: 5.6
PPG: 15.5

UM offensively:
Passing: 328 YPG
Rushing: 147.5 YPG
Total: 475.5 YPG
YPP: 5.8
PPG: 35

UM defensively:
Passing: 323 YPG
Rushing: 93.5 YPG
Total: 416.5 YPG
YPP: 6.2
PPG: 23.5

Now we’ll look at in conference play.

MSU Offensively:
Passing: 242 YPG
Rushing: 270 YPG
Total: 512 YPG
YPP: 7.6
PPG: 45.6

UM Offensively:
Passing: 286 YPG
Rushing: 167.8 YPG
Total: 454 YPG
YPP: 6.3
PPG: 39.6

MSU Defensively:
Passing: 210 YPG
Rushing: 71.8 YPG
Total: 281.8 YPG
YPP: 4.2
PPG: 10.2

UM Defensively:
Passing: 291.6 YPG
Rushing: 110 YPG
Total: 401.6 YPG
YPP: 5.8 YPP
PPG: 25.8

Of particular importance, MSU has allowed 5 TD’s on 11 RZ attempts, UM has allowed 12 TD’s on 18 attempts. 45% vs 66%. Justin Lamson leads the conference in TD passes thrown (13) and has 0 interceptions. KAY is tied for 3rd in TD passes thrown (8) while also throwing 3 picks.

There really isn’t a category where they’re better than MSU. So, that’s how things are stacking up.
1st half stats would be interesting or 1st 3 quarters.Cats D has been lights out.
I agree. If I get really bored and have time I’ll try to dig into those, but no promises.



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