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2025 Path to the Playoffs WEEK 9 – Part 1 - Will the Marker erase one of the DSUs from the TOP 2? Who we want to Lose!

Post by Catprint » Thu Sep 25, 2025 11:02 pm

2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 5 (or is it Week 1??)

Welcome to another series of the Path to the Playoffs. This is my sixth year of writing these weekly posts. This year I took off the dual title of “Path to the Natty” since it seems I was overly optimistic last year and don’t want to oversell the theme! I still have no time in my schedule for the 6-8 hours it takes me each week to read, listen and put thoughts on paper. But there is nothing better to do at midnight.

I started late this year for a few reasons – all lame. ](*,)
1) We did not play in Week 0.
2) I knew the Oregon game would be nothing to write home about (and I went with my wife and took a 6-day vacation which leads to reason #3.)
3) I had no time before the SDSU game between work and getting back from Oregon.
4) Finally, I just got behind and game #4 (MH) did not thrill me.

For anyone new, here is a quick reminder of what “Path to the Playoffs (PTTP)” is and is not:

What PTTP is not:
• Not an examination of play calling and players strengths and weaknesses. I am not that smart of a football guru and I really don’t know much about zone read; inside zone; 4-3-4 defenses; etc. Just enough to be dangerous. I leave position assessments and play calling analysis to others.
• Not an in-depth analysis of the Cat’s strengths and weaknesses and how they should execute their game plan on even given week or what exactly they need to do the following week. I do provide overviews.
• Not focused just on the Cats in terms of the details. I leave that to excellent Bobcat focused podcasts and many posts by fans more knowledgeable than me.

What PTTP is:
• An aggregation of articles; podcasts; and game footage from knowledgeable journalists, podcasters, writers, and influencers. PTTP includes my thoughts and musings on playoff positioning; seedings; strength of schedule, etc. I try to listen to 3-5 podcasts a week about other conferences and general FCS game summaries as well as read 5-15 articles a week as well as watch 3-5 Big Sky and/or FCS games each Saturday (at least skim some of the important games that might be on ESPN +).
• A synopsis of other teams; their rankings and strengths; how teams in the playoff hunt did and how it might affect the Cats in the playoff hunt.
• A weekly set of statistics from the top teams with regard to overall ranking as well as offensive and defensive rankings in the FCS relative to the Cats.
• The goal is to understand the best way for the Cats to win the Big Sky title; get a high seed in the playoffs and get to the national championship.
• Occasional ramblings; predictions; evaluations; and random thoughts regarding performances of The Cats; other Big Sky teams and the top teams in the FCS.

Weekly Components: Typically, each week will contain most but not all of these assorted topics. Some topics will not start with my first post but later in the season when enough data is available.

1) Who was Impressive and who was not in last week’s game:
Look at the top ranked teams and how they did on that particular Saturday.
2) Who we want to lose each week.
As the season progresses, which teams do we want to win and lose in order to improve the Cats overall seeding (which we definitely need help this year.)
3) A Summary of last week’s games in the Big Sky
4) Big Sky Game predictions for the following week based on nothing but random feelings and a few statistics.
5) As we get further into the season,
.....a. Chart of Offense/Defense rankings
.....b. Aggregate Rating System chart – after week 4 or so weeks. (The CAT-P!)
.....c. Discussion of top teams in the FCS and playoff seeding predictions – A much bigger deal this year as we start up in a big hole!
6) Overview of this week’s game for the Cats.

Let’s get started – even though we are at already at Week 5. Oh, one more caveat/adjustment. For the next 2-3 weeks I will skip some sections due to lack of time and lack of clarity about who are really good teams. Too many teams with similar records or situations.

Big Sky Preseason Polls

Well, if we didn’t start off with the kiss of death by being voted #1 in the coaches and media poll. Sure, it seems we have a good team; even elite (wrote this part after week 2). But as I pointed out last year, being picked as the #1 team in the preseason poll almost guarantees you will not be #1 at the end of the year. Call it superstition; call it poor prediction capability by the media; call it gremlins; call it dumb luck. Last year was no exception. Gris picked as #1 and ended up in the 5th spot. In fact, in the last five years, the #1 preseason pick in the Big Sky has NEVER finished #1 and on average they finish 3.5 spots below -- meaning being picked #1 results in ending the season as the fourth or fifth best team in the conference. What a slide from grace every year.

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Initial Evaluation of Possible Top 8 Seeded Playoff Teams

Let’s jump on this topic right out of the gate. I know it is early but all the podcasts talk about “national title contenders” and “Top 8 seeds” almost every week. Seems like fun. My list is the teams of interest right now with respect to the Cats securing a Top 8, if not a Top 4 seed in the playoffs. I don’t include the middle and lower tier of the Big Sky which we will examine each week due to their large influence on the top tier Big Sky team records and how our SOS stacks up against other potential seeded teams.

Listed here are my Top 10-15 teams who as of this week have a strong, reasonable or possible chance of getting a Top 8 seed in the playoffs. I will flip the list into a chart in the next week or two to track as the season progresses. My assessment is not necessarily based on the best 8 teams but rather how I see the teams working their way through the season with strength of schedule, home field advantage, starting spot in the polls, etc. The list will shift as the year goes on but I feel comfortable this initial group will include at least 5 of the top 8 teams come Selection Sunday. A few comments on each team with a lot more elaboration coming after each week.

Almost Certainly Top 8

NDSU: Hard to see them slipping up. Truly a powerhouse. They have crushed their first three inferior opponents. This week’s game against South Dakota will speak volumes but I imagine the Yotes will be going home with their tail between their legs.
SDSU: No FBS game; have looked strong in every game; by beating MSU at home they have a tie breaker for any Top 4 seed. (Both NDSU and SDSU team could be 11-1 or 12-0. Few roadblocks in their way).
Tarleton State: Crushing all opponents. How Good? 10-2 seems the floor. Maybe too easy of a schedule but averaging 47 points a game, giving up 13 and beating Army puts them in rarified air. They might end up undefeated or with only 1 loss.

Likely

MSU: Why not in the “almost certainly”? Partially out of caution, partly out of fear that some weaker teams will have better on paper resumes; and partly it seems possible we could be 8-4. More on that later.
Ill. State: Tough MVFC schedule may kick them down the path. Their QB is the real deal but it has been years since Ill. State has challenged for a top seed.
Gris: 8 home games? Road games at ISU, Sac St, Weber and PSU? More later but 11-0 going into The Brawl is entirely possible. The UND game might be one of the toughest games the Gris will face (the other being Idaho) before the Brawl. If Griz win this weekend, they will pass the Cats in the polls and stay a solid 3rd/4th for weeks.

50-50
UC Davis: Lost a ton of offensive fire power. Did not look great in their 2 games and 1 “non-game”. Still not enough info.
Rhode Island: Someone outside of the MVFC/Big Sky other than Tarleton State has to get a seed. But without a stronger scoring offense Rhody may end up 9-3 which is not going to get you a Top 4 or Top 8 seed this year.
Idaho: Needs some defense; lots of defense. Hard to see them as good as they were last year. I am skeptical they nab a Top 8 but still very early.
Southern Illinois: DJ Williams, the Saluki’s dynamic QB, is lighting up the opposition. They could go 9-3 with a couple of big wins in the Missouri Valley.

Outliers
South Dakota: One bad coaching call from Ed Lamb keeps them from 1-3. Not sure they will recover. They may drop out of the Top 25 if they have a bad showing in the Fargo Dome
Monmouth: Seriously? Well, look at their record (3-1 with only a close FBS loss); their points per game (44) and their QB (1,640 yards passing or 410 ypg). Sure, not against top competition, but they could easily be 11-1 and win the CAA. They would get a Top 8 seed in that scenario.
Tennessee Tech: True dark horse for Top 8. Averaging 60 points a game and another team with great QB Play (no less than Visperas of Eastern Washington last year). I need to see more from them though.

Finally, teams that could win 10 Plus games this year (More about schedules for some rather than saying they are a top 4 team).
• NDSU
• SDSU
• Monmouth
• Tarleton State
• Rhode Island
• Gris
• Tennessee Tech

WHO WE WANT TO LOSE
Welcome to the first installment of “Who we want to Lose”, the sidebar where we take more of a vindictive, revengeful look at the games focusing on the teams we want to lose. While all in fun, the main focus is on teams that improve the Bobcats playoff seeding by losing key games. This year with the Cats starting at 2-2, the Who We Want to Lose (WWWL) segment may take on additional meaning. Landing a top 4 or even top 8 seed may be much harder if teams like Tarleton State or the Griz rack up a 11-1 or lord forbid a 12-0 season with a low SOS.

Each week I pick games I believe have a chance of going our way. I am not predicting nor do most of these games break our way. But it is fun to see the ones that do break our way and the impact lady luck has on the final seeding. You only have to look at the first season of the Cats rise in 2018 and see how nearly a dozen games broke our way in the last two weeks to allow us to get in the playoffs at 7-5. Ok, let’s look at the week.

A combination of conference and non-conference games this week. Most of the MVFC on a bye but a couple of good games. Here are the best ones that impact seeding at the end of the season.

1) Rhode Island @ W Michigan – Even though this is an FCS/FBS game, Western Michigan is not particularly good. Rhode Island might pull it out. But we don’t like URI (See 1984) and we want fewer bids from the CAA. URI TO LOSE.
2) South Dakota @ NDSU – This is a key early game. Rather surprisingly, USD has beaten NDSU more times in the last 10 years than any other team than SDSU. But this year is not last year. But we always want NDSU to lose.
3) ACU @ UIW – UIW was thought to be so good this year. They will be a top 5 or top 3 team this year. If they lose to ACU, UIW will be 1-4 and basically out of the playoffs UNLES they win the Southland outright. UIW to lose.
4) Mercer @ ETSU – These are two of the top competitors for the championship of the Southern conference. Both of these teams have had a rough start to the season but the whole Southern conference has lost a ton of non-conference games. I think Mercer is the biggest threat right now for a top 8 seed so Mercer to Lose.
5) Idaho @ Gris – Our premier WWWTL game this week. There are reasons for either team to lose. We don’t play Idaho so if they win this game, who is going to beat them? But I don’t think Idaho is very good so we need them to pull off an upset to keep the Gris down. But can I really ask for the Gris to win a game this early? Never. Gris to Lose.

Evaluations of Big Sky Teams

Hopefully, I will have posted my chart of Big Sky game predictions by Saturday morning. Last year, I was 38-10 over the 9 weeks of conference play. I don’t bet on games but it seems like that would be a pretty good track record (80%). But of course, not much money to be made if I am not predicting the spread since betting on winners is not the most challenging task and pays little if you can even find a line and a place to bet in Montana.

My initial evaluation is based on the team’s last year play, their place in the polls, the performance on the field in their first 3-4 games; game film I watched and just plain best guess. Because frankly none of us know how it will gel over the season and there are always surprises. Where I know little, I admit it. The order here is a rough predicted order of finish but I am not yet inserting the Cats into the list.


Gris – Really don’t mean to produce any fodder for eee-Gris. In any case, I doubt any Gris fans read through my posts as they are longer than 4-5 sentences! LOL. I watched some of their games. I think Gris are better than we think they would be. Gillman is a great running back and frankly, I thought he should have been BSC Preseason Offensive Player of the Year. Already, he has 400 yards rushing and 6 TDs. Now, given the Gris schedule, (they don’t play Davis or NAU) and they have 8 home games, I believe the worse record they will have going into the Brawl is 9-2 and more likely 10-1 or 11-0. This is going to firmly put them into Top 4 seed discussion. I think UND might be pretty good and if Gris get by Idaho this week (even in a bizarre game that Bobby pulls out of his hat at the end), they will likely go undefeated until 11/22. They simply don’t play anyone. But I will say, that also doesn’t mean they are a great team due to their soft schedule. Time will tell.

Davis – Davis was the victim of a stupid decision to declare their first game persona non-grata. Maybe for the better? First half they looked great, second half not so much. Mercer might have won based on them driving. Then against their next two FCS opponents (Utah Tech and Southern Utah), Davis didn’t exactly cruise. They struggled against Utah Tech and had to come from behind to win. SUU was close midway in the 3rd before Davis pulled away. I do think their signal caller, Pinnick, has a great arm and decent skills. But he is young and makes mistakes. I think Davis will be good but they really haven’t played a decent FCS team so knowledge is limited. Their first couple of games against Weber and Cal Poly may not show us much of anything as well. It might be mid-season before we know if Davis is a competitor for the BSC crown.

NAU – The Jacks are 3-1 and look pretty darn good. Losing to #11 Arizona State was no shame there. Then NAU squeaked out a victory against Utah Tech at home and then beat Southern Utah on their home field. Finally, their win against UIW was a ranked win against a team that has perennially been in the Top 10 (although this year is a big question mark.) NAU was projected to be 4th or 5th in the Big Sky in most polls and started at #19 and have moved up only to #15. Sure seems to me this is early voter bias. Ty Pennington is the real deal and I am concerned about the Cats game at NAU in early October. But glaringly, what sticks out like the Jolly Green Giant in a field of wheat is NAU’s defense and it is lacking. They gave up 300 yards to Utah Tech (no garbage time yards in that game), nearly 450 yards to SUU and 436 to UIW. I watched the SUU game late into the night and it really came down to who had the ball last because defense was an afterthought for both teams. It seems Coach Wright’s approach is we will simply outscore the opponent regardless of the point total. This will work against the Utah Tech and Portland State’s of the FCS but far less sure how it holds up against Davis, Idaho and the Cats. But I think NAU could prove to be a wildcard with their offense.

Idaho – At 2-2, some see Idaho as a strong team well positioned to make a run for the BSC title. While they performed well against Washington State and San Jose State and could have won either game, their other two games at home against inferior opponents were underwhelming. ST Thomas had an honest chance to beat Idaho and just lacked some defensive stops. Utah Tech hung around for the entire game until about 6 minutes left. I watched most of Idaho’s two FCS games and I was somewhat unimpressed. Their offense looks ok and somewhat balanced but the Taters defense needs some work. Some of the question marks about their record must be measured against the quality of opponents. WSU beat San Diego State but San Diego is predicted to be at the bottom of the Mountain West. WSU was crushed by North Texas who was ranked 8th in the middling AAC. This weekend against the Gris will be the truth serum. What a draw to start the season.

Sac State – Run and Gun? Go-Go offense? Really? One week I read a headline from the Sacramento area saying something like “The Go-Go offense found it groove against…. Mercyhurst?”. Sac State was ahead by only 1 score up to the last 3 minutes when they scored twice. Their first two games generated 3 and 17 points (against Nevada which is like one of the worst FBS teams west of the Mississippi. (Sorry Coach Choate! – 25 FCS teams ranked ahead of you in Sagarin). But then they dumped their 4-star QB and moved on to #2, which is a solid improvement. But just when I am criticizing Sac, they handle Central Arkansas easily last week and put up 600 yards of offense. Even Sac’s defense looked better. But again, UCA does not seem to have its act together this year. Sac benefits from not playing MSU but I think something like 8-4 might be the ceiling. And as of today, Sac State has 2 games scheduled for 2026. Where goeth all those hot 3- and 4-star recruits when they find out their schedule is filled out next year with Chadron State, Lincoln (Ca); and Eastern Oregon. Cause no one else is going to schedule them – out of spite; out of fear; out of their minds…Seems like they have put themselves in a box.

UNC – Wow, is this team for real? Only a terrible referee call at the end of the Colorado State game and Lamb’s decision to run three times up the middle and then kick a field goal at end of regulation against USD kept UNC from being 4-0 with an FBS victory. Now they are 2-2 after beating Houston Christian. Is this really your dad’s Oldsmobile? Could be a fluke and UNC could end up 3-9 come the snow flies. But they do play EWU and PSU so maybe they get to 4-8… unless they really a team on the rise. Won’t know until about week 6.

Weber State – We know nothing about Weber. Lost big to two mediocre FBS teams and squeaked by McNeese State who was picked 6th in the Southland just above a quartet of bottom feeders. Not sure Weber has made any significant improvements. They face a horrid conference schedule facing the top 6 teams in the Big Sky preseason poll. Hard to see anything better than 5-7 or 6-6. Mickey Mental is on the ropes for sure.

ISU – Don’t know what to think about Idaho State and their direction. Made some strides last year as the 4th year of Coach Hawkins. So far this year, they lost to two FBS teams and Southern Utah and then beat Lincoln (CA) 90-0. Not sure that score makes any sense. Read about Lincoln (CA) on the net and decide if they should even be fielding a team. It is disturbing that ISU can call this a win. NAU played them last year. So that said, we know nothing about ISU and they have no legitimate wins yet. Maybe they are 6-6 this year… maybe
(https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2 ... 320308007/).

EWU – Sadly, Eastern is a shell of its former shelf. What happened? Best speculation lays with the lack of funding at Eastern and the narrow vote a few years ago to keep the football program at the FCS level. Then their top QB leaves for Tenn. Tech and the wheels are already off the bus. I see maybe 3 or 4 wins by year-end and even that requires some 50/50 games to go their way. Defense is non-existent (where are all the stout Big Sky defenses of the past?) and their offense looks anemic although they put up points last week. Maybe I won’t think so anemic after this weekend. EWU always seems to play the Cats tough.

Cal Poly – Poly is 2-2 with a DII win and a win over San Diego. Their first four conference games are Sac State, Davis, Gris and the Cats. High probability they will be 2-6 moving into their last four games. Not much more to say – still not on the upswing.

PSU –What can be said about PeeSU? They might just be the true bottom feeder replacing Northern Colorado who actually seems ok. PSU played in week 0 so they got the benefit of being the first team to 0-4. Now that is a trophy I would like to see in the Trophy case! It doesn’t get much easier for PSU and I could see an 0-8 start and even a winless season. Maybe the powers to be will shutdown the program this year claiming they need the soccer field for 8th grade soccer leagues. Would be more fans there for sure.

BIG SKY SEASON PREDICTIONS

Ok, changed my mind and stayed up late Thursday Night after 5 day vacation (Thought I said I was too busy at work the last few weeks??) and did my entire season Big Sky Conference predictions – team by team; game by game. Not much for comments except I expect the Cats to drop EITHER NAU or Gris game. I also went with few upsets but reserve the right to make changes as the season goes on. I make predictions about playoff chances in the chart as well. More comments later.


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Who are the Cats?

Ok, my assessment is just my observation after attending all four games in person, listening to over 20 podcasts over the summer and last four weeks and watching about 20 FCS games the last 2-3 weeks. As I have expressed many times, I am cautious by nature (that means glass half full) when it comes to football (exactly the opposite when it comes to investing – go figure).

MercyHurst - In the MercyHurst thread, there was a reference to FCS Central’s weekly article by Timothy Rosario on Success Rate. I have been reading these weekly posts by Rosario since he started them a year or so ago. The premise is all statistically based and tied to offensive success. The Cats had the #6 success rate last week as measured by Rosario. When I left the MH game, I thought the offense was poor and the defense was great. I mean, the defense pitched a shutout and the offense only had 17 points. But when you dig into the numbers, it is all about opportunities. The offense really only had 5 possessions and scored on 3 of them and should have scored on 4 out of 5. Rosario points out that in a normal game with normal number of possessions, the score would have been 37-0. So really, the offense did pretty darn well and the defense was the weak spot of the game even though they pitched a shutout. The defense couldn’t get off the field and it didn’t give the offense an opportunity to put points on the board.

#1 O-Line? Sam Herder of Hero Sports rated the Cats as the #1 Offensive Line in the FCS. Pretty sure I don’t think that is the case. I don’t know enough about football but clearly the line is young and misses Wehr and Moore. The run game is a disappointment. If we erase the Oregon game from the stats, we have 216,220 and 233 YPG subtracting out sacks. This is 223 per game. Last year in the first four games, we had 325 YPG. This is over 100 YPG difference. While 223 is not a bad number, it is not elite and no breakaway plays.

QB – Lambson is accurate but scrambles too much and holds the ball too long. As many posters and podcasters have pointed out, Lambson is likely a more accurate passer than Tommy was. However, he is no real threat to pull and run. Given that, I am sure why we run so many QB designated runs. Most of his passes, as we have all seen, are mid-range and we have not seen much in terms of successful deep balls. Here’s hoping he is growing into the position this week.

Overall Offense – Last week our 17 points in the game was the lowest of any Big Sky team last week (tied with Cal Poly). In fact, it was way lower than the average points scored last weekend (44 points average. Even if you take away the Bengals game against the Oakland JVs, the average was 38). Last time the Cats scored only 17 points or less against an unranked non-conference FCS team was 2007 when they beat Southern Utah 7-3 when SUU was not part of the Big Sky. That was 18 years ago.

Defense – Hard to say. Seems like our defense is solid but still unknown if they are as elite as some say. 24 total points in regulation or 8 ppg. This is certainly an elite statistic. We have created 4 turnovers, which is much better than at this time last year. Yards per game are fairly low as well. And certainly, a couple of great red zone results. But our ability to get QB pressure and sacks is not up to par. But what do I know?

My overall take this early? Offense is struggling to find its identity. Big Sky teams are going to stack the box and dare us to throw down field. They see we don’t have the explosive play potential we had last year and sense our O-line is not as elite as advertised. On defense, the opponents will throw the ball as often as possible. EWU knows they can’t run a ton against our front seven but they see weakness in the secondary. I would not be surprised if Eastern throws the ball 30-40 times. They figure the best chance they have is to outscore us because our offense is not going to put up 40-50 points like last year. NAU will have the same strategy regardless of the outcome this weekend.

This week’s game? Cats – 27, Eastern – 24. Our defense holds them off in the critical situations.

Go Cats! \:D/
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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 5

Post by 94VegasCat » Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:52 pm

If we need them to win for it to benefit the Cats, I’ll never root for them bums over the hill. I might cheer for their opponent to suck more though.


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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 5

Post by damnyoutuesday » Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:49 pm

I just want to point out with Tarleton that they are 5-0 while their opponents have a combined 3 wins. I'm not horribly impressed with them until they beat somebody with a pulse (Army doesn't look good this year)



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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 5

Post by Catprint » Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:02 am

damnyoutuesday wrote:
Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:49 pm
I just want to point out with Tarleton that they are 5-0 while their opponents have a combined 3 wins. I'm not horribly impressed with them until they beat somebody with a pulse (Army doesn't look good this year)
I will grant the schedule for Tarleton State is soft but NDSU opponents have only 3 wins as well and no one is saying they are not dominate. NDSU averages 46 ppg while Tarleton is averaging 47.8 ppg. On defense, NDSU allowing 5.7 ppg and Tarleton 12.8. Scoring does not say everything about a team but this early in the season it is a decent measure. Certainly says something vis via MSU, SDSU or Idaho in their games against inferior opponents. Has to be some measure for ranking teams 1-25 this early in the season.



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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 6 -Elite teams; Top Seeds; Big Sky Surprises

Post by Catprint » Sat Oct 04, 2025 9:29 am

Week 6 – Path to the Playoffs: Elite teams; Top Seeds; Big Sky Surprises

The Elite FCS Teams

This week I wanted to take a look at elite teams as defined by final poll rankings. Last year all the major podcasters and FCS writers would refer to the DSUs and the Montana teams as the elite teams. I built a nice table of the last four years of rankings and it showed that over the four-year time frame indeed NDSU, SDSU, MSU and UM appeared to be consistently the best teams. This year I have extended the chart to five years. I include any team that had a Top 10 end of season ranking in any of the last five full years (I never count the Covid year for anything). The results are fairly consistent. When we look at Top 25 appearances, only the Montana schools and DSUs have been in the Top 25 every single year. In fact, NDSU, SDSU, the Cats and the Gris own the top four longest streaks of being ranked.

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When we look at Top 10 final rankings, NDSU, SDSU and MSU all have 5 and the Gris are the only team with 4 Top 10 rankings in the last 5 years. No one else has more than 2. When we drill down to Top 5 rankings, NSDU is the only team to hold a Top 5 rank every single year. SDSU and MSU have been ranked in the top 5 four separate times in the last five years. UM has 1 Top 5 finish. However, when I aggregate the total of a) appearances; b) Top 10 and c) Top 5, the four highest scores still remain the same teams.

In addition, if we look at championship game appearances, the only current FCS teams who have played in the Natty in the last five years are still the same four teams. NDSU 4 appearances, 3 wins; SDSU 2 appearances, 2 wins; MSU 2 appearances; Gris 1 appearance. (the last spot was JMU in 2019). So at least for now, the most consistently good FCS teams are NDSU, SDSU, MSU and UM. Not to say that someone like Tarleton State or Idaho couldn’t begin to creep into the mix or even one of these elite teams could drop out of the top four. But these measures are all about being good year in and year out and not just having one excellent year (like uAlbany in 2023 who was #5 and this year might have to stretch to even be 4-8.)

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Ongoing Evaluation of Possible Top 8 Seeded Playoff Teams

Almost Certainly Top 8

NDSU: Hard to see them slipping up. Truly a powerhouse. They crushed their first three inferior opponents. Last week’s game against South Dakota was supposed to be a challenge – NOT. I predicted the Yotes would be going home with their tail between their legs and it was a worse beat down than even that. Expect Illinois State to learn this week they are not the #6 team in the nation.

SDSU: Cats struggled against MercyHurst (our lowest scoring non-conference FCS opponent output in like 20 years); SDSU crushed them. On any head-to-head ranking, SDSU has the better resume and by beating MSU at home they have a tie breaker for any Top 4 seed. However, the Jack’s win against Sac State has not aged well.

Tarleton State: Bye week last week. Massey has them at #4 with a future SOS of 31 (with MSU’s future SOS at #3). I feel like it all depends on how strong the UAC is. The Texans have the meat of their conference schedule coming up but right now other than West George at 5-0 and Austin Peay at 3-2, the rest of the conference has losing records. I still think Tarleton could end up 11-1 or even 12-0. Until someone steps up and stops their mojo, they are a top 4 team regardless of SOS.

Likely Seed

MSU: Cats beat the spread by a lot in addition getting win against EWU. But it is possible Eastern is the worst team in the BSC. This week’s game is make or break for the Cats and a top seed. More later.

Gris: What to say? Idaho was supposed to be good. Crud, didn’t look so. Game was not nearly as close as the score.

UC Davis: Nice win against Weber. A top 8 seed still in the mix. I moved Davis up from 50-50 to Likely. For now. Their Future SOS is 8; they have a lot of tough games – NAU, MSU, Idaho and Sac.

50-50

Ill. State: NDSU’s crushing victory over USD makes me think that the game this week with NDSU may be a killer. I have moved Ill. State from Likely to 50-50. As I look at their schedule, they could easily drop 2 or 3 more games. Lose only 2 more games and maybe Top 8 is possible at 9-3 with an FBS loss. More losses in conference play than that Ill State cannot have happened and still rise to the top.

Rhode Island: Loss to FBS Western Michigan was Ugly. But Rhody still has a weak CAA schedule and could stay in the mix. 10-2 is still quite likely in the joke of a conference called the CAA (Coasting & Atrophying Association)

Southern Illinois: Bye Week – No new news: DJ Williams, the Saluki’s dynamic QB, is lighting up the opposition. They could go 9-3 with a couple of big wins in the Missouri Valley.

Outliers

Monmouth: Bye week, still on a path for 10-2 or 11-1 and win the CAA. They would get a Top 8 seed in that scenario.

Tennessee Tech: Haven’t lost yet but SOS is 118 out of 129. Even a single loss in conference may sink TT’s chance for a bye and Top 8 seed but they should get the auto bid. Such is life in the lifeless OVC/Big South – where teams like Western Illinois go in hopes of winning a game or two.

Idaho: Needs some defense; lots of defense. Hard to see them as good as they were last year. I am skeptical they nab a Top 8 but still early.

DROPPED OUT

South Dakota: USD is NOT a Top 8 seed team. They have no chance of winning out and could easily be 7-5 at the end of the season. They have to play SDSU, SIU, Ill State and UND. They might win 2 of the 4 but would not surprise me if they drop 3 out of 4 and end up 6-6 on the year. Another example of portal decimation.

Who we Want to Lose

LAST WEEK
1) Rhode Island @ W Michigan –URI TO LOSE. – GOT IT. URI did not look great. Totally lame performance against a weak MAC team. I will never understand how the MAC is FBS. If these teams were in an FCS conference, they might get 2 bids each year and we would never see one in the semi-finals. Year in and year out, every single team is marginal at best and most are horrible. They regularly dominate ESPN’s bottom 10 listing. (https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... -continues) But Rhody still 4-1.
2) South Dakota @ NDSU –NDSU to lose. NOPE - USD looks really bad. Even though still in the Top 25, I expect them to hang around during the soft middle of their schedule (Murry State; Indiana St; Northern Iowa) but then to completely flame out against the top teams.
3) ACU @ UIW –UIW to lose. NOPE, New QB has changed UIW. They look half decent.
4) Mercer @ ETSU –Mercer to Lose. NOPE – ETSU was projected to with the Southern conference. Going to be a tough road. Mercer could be 10-2.
5) Idaho @ Gris –Gris to Lose. I think Gris look pretty darn good. 11-0 going into the Brawl is still a strong possibility. Idaho not so much.

THIS WEEK

1) NDSU @ ILL STATE –Ill state is ranked #6. It is a road game. Most teams visiting in this situation would be vulnerable. But NDSU is not most teams? Could NDSU lose – not likely I would say. Ill State will drop to #15 or so after being hammered at home. But we can still have hope for NDSU TO LOSE
2) Southern Utah @ Tarleton State – I was hopeful Southern Utah would have some legs after beating Idaho State in the opener. But after 4 straight losses given up an average of 40 points a game, the game against Tarleton looks to be lost cause. But someone has to trip up Tarleton. Are they really that good? Tarleton TO LOSE
3) SDSU @ Youngstown State – Hmmm. Lots of mixed feelings. On one hand, if SDSU keeps winning, that improves the Cats resume and SOS. This helps us at playoff seeding almost as much as wins against lower competition. On the other hand, the odds of getting a Top 4 seed, much less a Top 2 seed, is significantly decreased if NDSU, SDSU and Tarleton keep winning. So I will say YSU to LOSE.
4) Gris@ Idaho State – GRIS TO LOSE.
5) West Georgia at Austin Peay – Why do we care? West Georgia is not eligible for the playoffs. But if they win the UAC or take second, they may force the UAC to be a 1 or 2 bid league instead of 3 bids, opening up another at-large bid for the Big Sky. So Austin Peay to LOSE.
6) NOVA@ New Hampshire – Nova is ranked; New Hampshire is getting votes. Neither team is very good. We want the CAA to be a bunch of 8-4 teams at the top of the conference (aside from Monmouth perhaps) NOVA to LOSE.


Big Sky Predictions

Last Week

I was 4-2 for the week. No one saw Cal Poly over Sac State – not anywhere. Not one beat writer or any FCS podcasters. Is this a one-off for Cal Poly? They have already won the same number of games they won last year. I think they could be a team that causes issues in the Big Sky even if they can’t compete for the title. As for Sac State, I suspect they are in store for a long season. They could easily be 4-4 or even 3-5 in conference play. I would love to seem them implode just to counter the huge hubris the University President and the coach. Then they can build their 200-million-dollar stadium at the horse track because that is where they belong!

Idaho State was the other surprise. With only a win over D5 Lincoln (CA), they did not look strong. UNC looked like they would have legs this year and cause some disruption in the BSC. Not so sure now. Maybe still the doormat. Or ISU is really good? Too early to tell which is which.

Everything else went chalk so not much to say yet. I do think NAU did not exactly burn down the burn against hapless PSU. Part of me says if you can only put up 31 points against the Vikes and are only leading by a single score going into the fourth quarter, I question your resume. But maybe it was the Lumberjacks MercyHurst game?


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This Week in the Big Sky

I have made some changes in my predictions based on last week’s results like I will do each week. There are a lot of BYEs in the BSC this week – Idaho, Sac State, UNC, and Weber. I have swapped out the MSU loss to NAU with a loss to the Gris. I have NAU beating Idaho now based on what I saw of Idaho in the Gris game. I also think it looks like UNC is going to compete with EWU and Portland State for the race to the bottom. Finally, I have EWU losing to Cal Poly and ISU beating Weber. Still early for teams to make a mark but EWU and PSU are fighting for last place while there are still 5 teams with a shot at the conference title.

Gris vs ISU – I am afraid this game will not be very competitive. I just don’t see how Idaho State’s lackluster start to the year will be anything of trouble for the Gris. Normally, this game would not be on the “WWWTL” schedule (see above). But a) it is the Gris; b) they are all on their high horse and c) ISU’s dome is a little like the Skydome – odd things happen. Boy, will I be pissed if Cats lose and Gris win a squeaker. It is difficult for me to see ISU holding back the Gris offense. The secret sauce will be Cooke slinging the ball up and down the field and the Bengals getting lucky with a couple of special teams play. If it is a grind it out game, it will be a long day for the stripes. Gris 34-17

Davis vs Cal Poly – Suddenly, this might be a game. It is at home for Cal Poly and they are 3-2 on the year with the surprising win at Sac State. Cal Poly used to be known for its triple Option type of ground and pound offense. This year they are 94th in rushing yards per game even with a DII game on the list. But they are 14th in total passing ypg. Just about a complete flip from the typical Poly team. We still don’t know much about Sac State so CP’s win over Sac last week may not carry much water. Still, I think they will score some points but Davis should handle it easily. If not, all of us have to be prepared for the worst in terms of a topsy-turvy Big Sky race. Davis 27-Poly 14

PSU @ EWU – What is there to say. Loser is going to be #1 in the bottom of the Big Sky and they may be difficult to dislodge them. I have wondered for years how even PSU has a D-1 football team and how they can afford it. The second question may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back in the Portal Era. I wouldn’t bet on this game with a 10-foot pole. One of these two teams could explode for some longer plays and get the momentum and run away with the game. But I don’t see any defense in this game. EWU – 42 – PSU 34


Cats vs NAU – I am a ninny when it comes to having a positive attitude about playing NAU in Flagstaff. If there ever was a place that could convince me about the existence of gremlins, poltergeists, ghosts and spirts from the dead, it is the Skydome. That place conjures up the oddest games with the most bizarre endings (sometimes even in the visitor’s favor – See Cats vs NAU in 2022). All the FCS experts (Hero Sports; FCS Central; FCS Edge; FCS Nation; 406 Sports) are picking the Cats. And rightfully so. I will leave the details with the other posters and the prediction thread. The Cats will have to score at least 30 points; the run game needs to start strong and get at least 1 or 2 explosive plays; the defense can’t let Pennington have multiple 40–50-yard bombs and we need to limit NAU’s 3rd/4th down conversion rate to 40% or below. Finally, I have called up Samantha to wrinkle her nose and put on a spell that spells victory for the Cats. Leave no stone unturned.

GO CATS!



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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs - Week 7 - First Run of Top 8 Seeds; Best Offense and Defense

Post by Catprint » Sat Oct 11, 2025 1:42 am

WEEK 7 Path to the Playoffs: First Run of Top 8 Seeds; Best Offense and Defense

This Week I introduce my own version of best Top teams on offense and defense; take a deep dive into committees’ first likely top 8 seeds; continue our WWWTL segment with a couple of possible games to lift the Cats and finish with my Big Sky games and playoff chance evaluation for all teams.

OFFENSE/DEFENSE CHART

From here on out, I will rate the teams who I believe have a reasonable chance of snagging a Top 8 seed in the playoffs. The list will fluctuate each week as teams might enter or fall out. Right now, I am holding 13 teams in the list although I think a couple are on the cusp of falling into the abyss. In addition, there are a couple on the edge of joining (Harvard and Austin Peay). At this point, the names closely match the top 13 teams in the poll but not by any means in the same order.

I made some changes this year for two reasons. Partly out of pure Cat-fishness, I decided that not every game should be a counter when doing my statistical comparison. I removed any non-counter game from the stats (DII or NAIA team). Nearly every team was padding their overall ranking by having superior results against a non-D1 team. Secondly, I made the decision to exclude any FBS games against P4 teams. When I looked at the results of the first few weeks, it was apparent most of the games were blowouts. Yes, exceptions exist like UND vs Kansas State. But I do include all other Group of 6 conferences. Why? Because nearly all upsets happen against these teams. Please FCS teams even do well in losses like Idaho against San Jose State.

So calculating and tracking is a little more difficult because I have to take raw stats; take out the non-counters and P5 games and then reallocated my totals. Doing this forced me into my second decision and that was replace offensive pass efficiency with total Passing yards. The reason was simple – I do not have the time or knowledge to reconfigure passing efficiency by taking out a game. I am already spending more time readjusting the baseline.

As you can see, these decisions forced me to change teams’ rankings to range from 1-13 rather than 1-126 – the number of teams in the FCS. This results in rewarding teams who may be 82nd in rushing defense and put them numerically at the worst a number 13. I realize this compresses the eval numbers and may not be statistically sound. But hey, I am not Massey or Jeff Sagarin. I am not running a computer model. I am merely making a poor man’s RPI or power index. I may add a SOS component in the coming weeks if I can ever find the time to stop working 50-60 hours a week. Take it for what it is, warts and all. It does provide a bird’s eye view into how teams compare in this top tier.

OFFENSE

I will provide my observations in bullet points. The chart says it all. Remember, the numbers are the rank of each team in the various categories.

• There are some serious points being scored at the top of the FCS. Tennessee Tech and SIU are both averaging 50 points a game! Everyone in the top 13 averages over 30 ppg except Idaho.
• The Cats are just about in the middle of the aggregate offensive categories. The exception is we are 4th in rushing, even with our less than dynamic rush attack.
• Monmouth scores a lot of points but nearly all through the air.
• The Gris, while appearing to be strong offensively, actually rank fairly low on the aggregate average – 12 out of 13. In addition, the Gris rushing attack is the worst amount FCS top teams.
• SDSU is not exactly an offensive juggernaut. They rank near the bottom of every measure. Only average around 400 yards per game. More about whether this is good or bad for the Cats.
• Some of these rankings are inflated by the low number of conference games. Expect teams like SIU and Monmouth to slow down the prolific offenses as tougher opponents appear on the schedule.

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DEFENSE

• Looking at the Aggregate Defense score, NDSU and MSU stand above nearly all other teams. This matches up with consistent comments from FCS experts like McKinnell, Rosario and Herder. The Cats defense appears to be legit.
• Tennessee Tech is a clear surprise ranking high not only offensively but also on the defensive scale (#1 in rushing D only giving up 45 something yards per game)
• Gris defense is 2nd to last. Only Monmouth, who has an open fish net for a defense has a lower Defensive average.
• Not sure if Idaho belongs with these groups as they are near the bottom of offense and defense.

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This is my personal Power Index, something akin to the committee uses. Here are my current rankings. Doesn’t match the polls to the slightest degree. I will say it does not yet incorporate SOS and I am trying to figure out how to do that without AI, a supercomputer and a couple hundred of hours of work

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TOP 8 SEEDS

It is halfway through the season for most teams so time to get serious about who might land a top 8 seed and where the Cats might land. Hero sports had a nice podcast where they talked about various scenarios where there are a number of undefeated FCS teams or teams undefeated against FCS opponents. It’s a good listen. FCS Central/Bluebloods on si.com just released on Tuesday a podcast on “All To Early Look at Playoffs”. Pretty long. However, here are some of my thoughts. 1) It always seems that way more teams suffer losses down the stretch than we initially imagine. Last year there was only one undefeated team and only 3 or 4 teams with only 1 FCS loss. What happens though is often there just tends to be upsets and games that don’t go chalk and. However, this year there are still at least 17 teams that are undefeated or have only 1 FCS loss. No way they are all Top 8 playoff seed caliber. But what does the Selection Committee do with a 12-0 Tarleton State vs a 10-2 Bobcat team? Or a 12-0 NDSU, Gris, Tarleton State and Tennessee Tech? The options are not great.


END OF SEASON GUESS

Due to the strong interest in how the Cats can climb to the highest possible seed, next week I will layout some of the options and look at the criteria the committee uses. The existing post “Top 2 Path” by @prodigalCat is eliciting tons of comments (my post this year is definitely less interesting) but there are many misleading and downright wrong comments on how the process works. While not totally scientific and certainly has subjectivity to it, there are guidelines.

Suffice it to say, the path to a Top 2 is exceptionally low – maybe 5% or less. A top 4 seed is maybe 50/50 while a Top 8 seed might be as high as 80/20. I will see if I can lay out a specific scenario next week or two (since it is the bye week) on exactly what has to happen, however unlikely, for the Cats to get a Top 2.

This week I am putting together a first stab at the Top 8 seeds and how they will look at the end of the season. Not based on where the teams are now but where I see them in 6 more weeks. Sure, it is just a WAG but has some basis in observation and analysis on how the committee works.

1) NDSU: 12-0 is quite possible. So far, can be challenged but not broken. Two down (USD, ISU); four left (SIU, SDSU, UND and YSU). This week goes a long way to #1. I see no upset.
2) Tarleton State: This might be a stretch but I think SDSU falters and Tarleton could be 12-0 as well and snag #2. Do they deserve it? No but just how it goes.
3) MSU: Putting them here for now. Means I really believe they will beat the Gris in West Bonner.
4) Gris: 11-1 will give them a top 4 seed.
5) SDSU: Not looking as sturdy as I hoped. A loss to NDSU and Illinois State or UND is possible.
6) Southern Illinois: Just my feeling they could end up with a loss to NDSU and go 10-2. They don’t play SDSU, so big break for them.
7) Monmouth: Weak CAA gives them solid chance to go 11-1 and undefeated in the FCS. Even then, I don’t see them in top 4.
8 ) UC Davis: If they beat NAU, otherwise maybe Tennessee Tech slips in here.


All others still in the conversation….

50-50
Ill. State: held their own against NDSU for nearly a half. Need some quality wins and generate more offense. Defense only goes so far in the MVFC. Super tough schedule.

Tennessee Tech: FSC scoring leader. Plays piss poor schedule (119th currently). Even if 12-0, they would be questionable for top 8 seed.

Idaho: Needs some defense; lots of defense. Hard to see them as good as they were last year. I am skeptical they nab a Top 8 but still early. I think they are more likely 10-14 seed.

Outliers
Lehigh – Now that would be a hoot. Holy Cross has gotten a Top 8 seed once so suppose a Patriot League team could do it again. They are 6-0 and beat a good Yale team last week. Not sure they will be underdog in any remaining games. But an SOS of nearly 90 and no ranked wins is going to make it difficult for the committee to give them a Top 8 seed even at 12-0.

UND – Might sneak into the conversation. Brutal schedule though makes me think just not realistic. But their defense is outstanding. The Alerus Center is one of the best home fields in the FCS.


Dropouts from my previous lists
Rhode Island: Loss to FBS Western Michigan and then to Brown (Picked last in the Ivy League) leads me to believe even if the tie for CAA title, they are marginal.

South Dakota: They may be lucky to get into the playoffs this year.

Who We Want to Lose

Our weekly look to see how the Cats playoff seeding could be improved by a specific team losing. Didn’t get much help this week. Most disappointing was Southern Utah not being able to keep up their effort against Tarleton State. Tarleton State is a huge threat to keep the Cats from getting a Top 4 seed much less a Top 2 seed.

LAST WEEK – How did games go?

1) NDSU @ ILL STATE – NDSU TO LOSE – NOPE. ILL. State put up a fight for about 2 quarters but overall, Cole Payton and NDSU looked dominant in the second half. Regardless of how Cats fans want to see it, NDSU sure looks like the dominant team of the past.
2) Southern Utah @ Tarleton State –Tarleton TO LOSE. NOPE. Oh, so close. Hoping SUU could actually finish off a game. Southern Utah has to be one of the best and unluckiest 1-5 teams in the FCS. They lost 4 of their 5 games by a total of 19 points and all of them in the 4th quarter.
3) SDSU @ Youngstown State –YSU to LOSE. YEP, got this one. Did we really want it? I think the right call. We want SDSU to stay near the top, with maybe only loss to NDSU. Just a thought. Only other choice is for them to lose 2 or 3, which just seems hard to see happening. More next week on what scenario is the best.
4) Gris@ Idaho State – GRIS TO LOSE. NOPE. Just when we think finally Gris will drop one, ISU finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! Will see this week how Jordan Cooke stacks up against a great defense.
5) West Georgia at Austin Peay –Austin Peay to LOSE. Another case where maybe my choice didn’t make sense but the UAC could try to grab 2 or 3 playoff spots. Need them to beat up each other.
6) NOVA@ New Hampshire –NOVA to LOSE. NOPE, Nova could possibly win out and be 10-2 and tie for the CAA title. That would be bad because the committee might give more credence to CAA teams than I think deserved. Maybe they really aren’t that good.

THIS WEEK

Not much on the slate this week to help us out. Southland had lots of Byes; MVFC not enough Marquee matchups; Same with the CAA and UAC. Hard to imagine some upsets…. So maybe it will be the weekend for them. Let’s roll the dice and put the Cats in better position for a Top 4 seed.

1) Mercer@ –Princeton Why do we care about this game? Mostly just want to have the Southern Conference cannibalize itself. Mercer making a run causes issue in the Top 8 seed options for the Cats. MERCER TO LOSE
2) Furman@ Western Carolina – Another Southern Conference possible elimination game. The QB for WCU who was academically ineligible for 3 games has torn up the record books the last three weeks. WCU need to lose a couple of games so they drop off the radar even if Furman looks strong. WCU TO LOSE
3) SIU@ NDSU– Another one of those conundrums. I don’t like NDSU. Always want them to lose but given where we are at, I see almost no path for the Cats to be #1 or #2 (there is a path but very narrow and too early). SIU is good so could be 10-2 and compete for a seed in the 5-8 lane. So, I am going with the odds to reduce the confusion for seeds #3 and #4. SIU to LOSE.
4) YSU@ UND – These two teams are fighting for some of the remaining at-large bids. The winner will be in good position to maybe get an at-large bid. I personally would like UND’s loss to the Gris to age poorly and for UND to miss the playoffs. Don’t know if that will happen but UND TO LOSE.
5) Abilene Christian @West Georgia – It helps the Cats for the UAC to beat each other up and for West Georgia to keep knocking off other teams. If Cats have to get an at-large at 7-1/9-3, then we need to have fewer 9 or 10 UAC teams. ACU to LOSE.
6) Tarleton State@ Utah Tech –Keep on picking in hopes of a miracle. Without a loss on their resume, Tarleton nabs a Top 4 seed with no issues. Utah Tech has lost 4 of their 5 games by a total of 35 points or just over a touchdown. They have led a number of games early on, blazing a trail that flamed out. Maybe we get lucky this week. Then again maybe not. Texans to LOSE.
7) Monmouth @ Towson – The Hawks may not be the fighting type of UND but they sure can take flight. Led by Derek Robertson, Monmouth just overpowers teams who can’t stop his arm. They continue to climb up in the polls. We need to New Jersey train to come to a halt – Monmouth to Lose


BIG SKY TEAMS

Almost Full slate of games this week under the Sky. Last week I went 4-0 but a couple of those games could have gone the other way. Already 2 teams eliminated from the playoff picture and 2 more will be soon. I think we probably are not going to see any upsets this week but I would be most concerned about UNC @ Idaho. The Bears have played pretty well on the road. Not sure NAU-DAVIS game would be an upset no matter who wins.

UNC @ Idaho

Both of these teams are still an enigma. Is UNC a doormat still? Were their close games against USD and Colorado State just flukes? The Bears offense still looks pretty anemic – still ranked near the bottom of the Big Sky in scoring, total offense and rushing. Lots of their close games relied on special teams or turnovers. In that regard, UNC’s defense is #1 against the pass and right up there with the Cats. Hmmm.

Idaho is still in the discussion for a playoff spot and maybe even competing for the title. Their problem is we don’t know who they are either. Two close FBS losses (mind you to two teams rated 99 and 101 by Sagarin which is below the 7 best FCS teams. But their schedule is very favorable now – if they split Davis or NAU, they could be 6-2 in conference and 8-4 overall. The problem is their offense has been fairly anemic. They need to figure that out or they will go 5-3 and a seven-win BSC team with no ranked wins is not getting into the playoffs. Because the game is in Moscow, I think the Vandals play up to potential and show UNC was just lucky. A loss here pretty much eliminates Idaho. IDAHO TO WIN – 31-17

NAU @ DAVIS

Huge game for both teams. NAU has Davis and Idaho still to play and they need to split these games to be 6-2 and get to 9 wins. But lose this game to Davis and suddenly they are in a slump and maybe they don’t recover. Davis has a little more slack but a much tougher schedule. Davis has NAU, Idaho, MSU and Sac State. They can afford 2 losses but 3 would put them on the bubble. Given I have them losing to MSU, if Davis loses to NAU they have a narrow window for a solid playoff spot. Having the Mercer game cancelled still stings.

Two really good quarterbacks going at each other. They both average over 200 yards passing and have good efficiency ratings. Both have decent ability out of the pocket but Pinnick just seems more elusive. If he stays in the Big Sky, he will have an impact in the next few years. Both teams will pass more than they run and don’t have much explosive run plays in their playbook. The problem for NAU is they are on the road and Davis is attracting around 13,000 fans. I am hopeful NAU can make it a game and maybe pull off the upset. But my brain says Plough is a better coach than Wright and will have the better game plan. NAU can win if they can establish some sort of run game and Pennington can make some longer throws. Against the Cats, he didn’t have a pass over 20 yards. He is not accurate enough to march down the field in repeated long drives. DAVIS TO WIN – 38-27

Sac State @ Weber State

I have Sac State over Weber State. The loser of this game is effectively out of the playoff race although technically if the loser wins their final 6 games, they could reach the magic 8 D-1 wins. But that is not going to happen. Neither of these teams are particularly good. Weber is consistently mediocre while Sac State is like GO-STOP-GO-STOP. Depends on whether they can find a quarterback who can play a full game. Playing in Ogden might normally give Weber State an advantage against a weak team. But Sac State’s defense has played better the last couple of weeks (did really well on the bye week!). I don’t think Weber can score any points. SAC STATE TO WIN – 28-10

Cal Poly @ Montana

Why do we even bother talking about Gris? Seems like they pull the rabbit out of the hat repeatedly. Their offense is the go-go offense of the Big Sky. Ah Yat is clicking – most of the time – and making some great throws. Gillman leads the Big Sky by a huge margin after only 5 games – nearly 40 yards more a game than the nearest back (Brooks of ISU). My guess is that Cal Poly is beat down after almost pulling off the upset against Davis last week. I don’t see any path to victory for Cal Poly in WaGris. And I don’t think it will even be close. I will leave it at that. Doesn’t mean Gris are the greatest but the matchup is not good. GRIS TO WIN – 44 -17.

So where does this leave the Sky for playoff chances? Still sitting at four teams likely in and maybe 2 teams on the bubble (or maybe only one) My reading of the tea leaves is 4 teams in for the Big Sky with maybe a 5th but with the Ivy joining this year and the CAA and Southern doing everything can do to increase their bids, I think 6 bids not even possible.

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THE CATS

A rainy day plays to the Cats strengths? Maybe not so much anymore. Averaging 230 ypg passing and 218 rushing in our FCS games. Hard to be more balanced. Rain is supposed to be light till maybe 3 or 4. Gives us enough time to come out strong?

Cooke and his receivers are something to pay attention to and not get cocky. Even aside from the 90-0 slathering of the Lincoln (CA) sausage makers, Cooke has thrown for a butt load of yards. Last week against the Gris he dumped out 421 yards airing out the ball. Just need 19 more yards to win the game.

I am never comfortable with gunslingers with strong arms with tall 50-50 ball receivers. (Think Michael Shulikov at maybe 6’ 6” and going up for those balls Cooke flings up in the air for anyone to grab. Our secondary has performed very well but the opposition has been marginal the last 4 weeks except NAU last week. Gave me lots of confidence at least for the time being. Hope the rain holds off as I hate rain way more than snow. Plus there are only 7 home games a year plus playoffs. Each one is special. Cats D should hold strong rain or shine.

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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs -First Run of Top 8 Seeds; Best Offense and Defense

Post by JoeCatsJoe » Sat Oct 11, 2025 8:13 am

Thanks for the breakdown! I enjoy getting a picture of the upcoming week of games and what results we want.



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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs -Week 8 – BYE, BYE the Bye? Short Week – Playoff Committee Top 10

Post by Catprint » Sat Oct 18, 2025 11:35 am

Week 8 – BYE, BYE the Bye? Short Week – Playoff Committee Top 10

Will be a shorter post due to the BYE week and being under the weather and too much work and the playoff committee release of Top 10. We will look WWWTL and the 3 Big Sky matchups this week. I will also update the best offense and defense stats for D-1 non-P4 games among the top 12 or so teams.


OFFENSE/DEFENSE RANKING

Reminder, I am merely creating a poor man’s RPI or power index. I have not had time to add a SOS component but hope to by next week. For the most part, not a ton of surprises.

OFFENSE

• Points still going through the roof – six teams averaging more than 40 points and the other six scoring more than 30 points. Offense definitely important.
• Cats continue to be in the middle of the pack in points and total offense. However, we are #2 in rushing per game after the 374 last week.
• NDSU is a strong #2 in offense and they have three ranked wins. They are definitely #1 offense as Tenn. Tech’s number 1 position is heavily inflated by low SOS.
• Gris are about even with the Cats on the offense side - #2 in passing yards per game.
• Last week’s loss by SIU to NDSU dropped the Dog’s down in the offensive stats. Not as good as we think

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DEFENSE

• NDSU and MSU continue to be #1 and #2 in total defense.
• Cats are in the Top 4 in very category. Would have thought our pass defense would be our weakness but so far holding up. But we still have to face the #4, #13, #14 and #27 rated passing offense in all of FCS. Sure, looks like our secondary is going to show its mettle for the rest of the season.
• Gris defense is still marginal. Ranked 10th out of 12. Their pass defense is a sieve.
• I still think Tenn. Tech and Lehigh’s high rankings are overinflated due to playing no one.

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This is my personal Power Index, something akin to the committee uses. Here are my current rankings. Doesn’t match the polls to the slightest degree. I will say it does not yet incorporate SOS and I am trying to figure out how to do that without AI, a supercomputer and a couple hundred of hours of work

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JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WEB SITE….

Here is a sidebar. Not all sites are created equally. A number of sites I look at for FCS information don’t do their homework. In particular, DRratings.com, FloSports and FCScollegefootballmadness.com all have serious mistakes in last week’s articles or rankings. DRratings lists Montana State as the Autobid but then in their bracket they rank MSU as 5th and Gris as 4th. There really is no way for MSU to be the auto bid without beating the Gris and that win clearly would put us ahead of the Gris in the seeding – most likely #2 or #3. In addition, the verbiage on their site says there are only 10 Auto bids (there are 11); says the Ivy League opted out of the playoffs (This year they opted in for the first time 79 years.); and more egregiously is they have the CAA with 3 bids and UCC with only 1. This is not going to happen. UAC will get 2, maybe 3 and CAA 2 at the most.

Flofootball.com has a playoff bracket site on their site. The writer, Matt C, says MSU will get the auto bid but will be ranked behind the Gris in the seeding. Again, simply would not happen and makes no sense. It’s like these sites just take the polls and extend them to the end of the year. Meanwhile, collegesportsmadness.com has the still has the MVFC with 6 bids and that includes South Dakota. Currently, USD is 3-3 and has still has UND, SDSU, SIU and Ill. ST on their schedule. Even though 3 of those 4 at home, I would be surprised if the Coyotes go 2-2. This puts them at 7-5 which will NOT get them in the playoffs. A 6-6 record is more likely.

Point is simply that lots of FCS experts don’t do their homework; don’t understand schedules and just parrot some ridiculous party line they saw otherwise!


TOP 8 SEEDS OR…. TOP 10 or TOP 12 or Topsy Turvey.


Anyone reading my post most certainly knows the committees Top 10. My prediction got 9 out of 10. I just don’t see Lehigh worthy of a Top 10 with an SOS of 86 and not blowing out everyone like Tennessee Tech but they are undefeated. I got the order right except Gris at 5 instead of 3 and Lehigh ahead of UND. I had Monmouth and Tennessee state swapped. I was going to have a more detailed set of scenarios for the Cats this week but that will have to wait. Here is my END OF SEASON guesstimate with game results considered and mentioned.

1) NDSU: 12-0; beats SDSU in the marker but only by one score. No doubt in anyone’s mind.
2) Tarleton State: Still hard to see the Texans losing any games. Would they be ahead of a 10-2 Cats team? Yes. Playoff committee thinks so now. No losses won’t change their mind.
3) MSU: We win out with almost all strong games.
4) SDSU: Lose the Marker and then fans revolt and tear down the suites at Dykhouse Stadium. Forced to play in a high school stadium the rest of the year, the Jack’s lose to ISU (or UND at the Horror Dome).
5) Gris: 11-1 at best. Week schedule, poor showings. Lands them the 5 seed and another trip to SDSU for the quarters.
6) UC Davis: Lose to the Cats but win out otherwise. Strong showing.
7) UND – Maybe can’t happen. They would have to lose to NDSU and then win out. The last game of the season against SDSU will make or break them.
8 ) Monmouth: Weak CAA gives them solid chance to go 11-1 and be undefeated in the FCS. Even then, I don’t see them in top 4.

All others still in the conversation….

MAYBE STILL
Ill. State: really tough schedule

Tennessee Tech: if they win out, maybe replace Monmouth or even UND?

Lehigh : There would have to be lots of upsets in Big Sky and MVFC, but a 12-0 Lehigh even with a horrible SOS could nab number 8.

SIU: Need to beat UND. IF not, they will drop off my list.

Outliers

Harvard : Not likely with only 10 games

Abilene Christian: Only if they beat Tarleton State and win out.

Rhode Island: Such an easy schedule, moved them back into the outliers.

Dropouts from my previous lists
Idaho: After the UNC debacle, no way Idaho will get a Top 8 seed. In fact, an at-large bid at 7-5 with two FBS losses is unlikely. They may be toast.
South Dakota: 3-3 now. Ahead on schedule is

Who We Want to Lose

Our weekly look to see how the Cats playoff seeding could be improved by a specific team losing. Didn’t get much help this week. Most disappointing was Southern Utah not being able to keep up their effort against Tarleton State. Tarleton State is a huge threat to keep the Cats from getting a Top 4 seed much less a Top 2 seed.

LAST WEEK – How did games go?
1) Mercer@ –Princeton NOPE MERCER played well.
2) Furman@ Western Carolina – NOPE WCU and Taren Dickens are lighting it up
3) SIU@ NDSU– GOT IT. We wanted SIU to lose for two reasons. 1) We need to reduce the MVFC from a total of 7 possible teams to 5 or even 4 in order to leave more at-large spots. 2) NDSU is not going to lose twice and may not lose once. It is best they stay at the top.
4) YSU@ UND– NOPE
5) Abilene Christian @West Georgia –NOPE – Wonder if West Georgia is over its mini-miracle run.
6) Tarleton State@ Utah Tech –NOPE. Texans seem a lot like the Gris. Pulling games out of the fire.
7) Monmouth @ Towson – NOPE

THIS WEEK

Definitely some games on the schedule that might help out the Cats in a scenario where we drop 1 more game. Even though if we win out, this exercise is of limited value, I do it each week for 2 reasons. It is certainly possibly the Cats lose one more game along the way (or god forbid 2) in which case we will need some help to still be seeded in Top 8. Second, the playoffs are all about matchups and home field. We are all acutely aware we don’t want to face NDSU in the Fargodome, would rather play the Gris in Bobcat stadium, etc. While wishful thinking for unthinkable upsets is not this list, on any given Saturday some results can flow our way (Just look at the last interception in Louisville’s upset of #2 Miami last night!)

1) YGU@ Ill. State – some FCS experts still have MVFC getting 6 or even 7 teams into the playoffs. Based on schedules, I only see 4 or maybe 5 as teams knock each other out. Given their schedules, this is a game for ISU to get knocked back. The future schedule of Youngstown will almost certainly land them out of the playoffs with 5 losses so ISU TO LOSE.
2) UND @ SIU – Same storyline here. I see one of these teams will be on the ropes. SIU has YSU, USD and ISU at the end of the season. The Fighting Hawks still have USD, NDSU and SDSU a much harder schedule. They might not make it in even with a win today but better to knock back SIU a notch now - SIU TO LOSE.
3) Stony Brook @ Monmouth – What to make of Monmouth? They have the best passing offense and 4th best overall offense of my Top 12 RPI (ranked power index) but they have NO defense ranking dead last (and among all FCS teams they are 117 out of 129 in Total Defense). CAA is a mess of weak teams at the top so let’s make it messier – MONMOUTH TO LOSE
4) URI @ UAlbany – Sticking with the same story line here as well. But even with URI’s limp offense and ok defense my personal bias will always pick URI TO LOSE.
5) Tennessee Tech @ Lindenwood – 6-0 are the Golden Eagles (not to be confused with the Flying Eagles of the Nigerian U-20 football team (real football to the rest of the world) and they have an unstoppable offense. But then maybe up and comer Lindenwood will clip their wings – TT TO LOSE.
6) WCI @ The Citadel – Maybe should not be on our WWWTL list but Western Carolina is super-hot with Taron Dickens unworldly performances. WCI always seems to fail at the end of the year but this year already lost 3 before Dickens showed on the stage. WCI TO LOSE.
7) West Georgia @ Tarleton State – Somewhere there joy in Mudville but will mighty Gabalis be on the bench still today? We can hope so because that is West Georgia’s only real hope. Still, Cats need a loss by the Texans to ever get a Top 2 or even Top 3 seed. UTTS TO LOSE. (OR IS TSU? OR UTT?)
8 ) Abilene Christian @ Southern Utah – Just to mess with another Texas-based team; besides SUU is still the best 1-5 team in the FCS. They just have to win sometimes so ACU TO LOSE


BIG SKY TEAMS

Last week I was 4-1 in the Big Sky. I should have gone with my gut when I expressed I was concerned UNC could beat Idah and picked UNC. Won’t make that mistake again. Only 3 BSC games this week. I am picking one upset.

Weber @ PSU – Why even mention this game? No spoiler roles. PSU is looking at a 0-12 season as a real possibility. Weber has to win out to even be on the bubble of the bubble. Not going to happen with games against Sac State and the Cats and NAU on the horizon. But I still would like to see how they play on the road. I think they can win. Weber TO WIN – 24-17

Idaho @ Eastern- Now this is an interesting game. Have the Vandals to win all along but after last week, I’m not sure what to say. Idaho is dead last in defense in Big Sky Games. UNC tore them apart. Are the Bears that good? Is Idaho that bad? I don’t think anyone knows. Idaho takes two different FBS teams to the wire; barely beats two weak FCS teams and then pretty much crushed by Gris and UNC. My gut says Eastern is really horrible and the Vandals get some defensive stops. IDAHO TO WIN – 31-28

UNC @ Sac State – Really scary what UNC did to Idaho last week on the road no less. The Bears are 3-3 but they are ONLY TWO PLAYS from being 5-1 (at the 28 of CSU in the last 20 seconds; at the 2-yard line of USD with a first and ten in the last 30 seconds and couldn’t punch it in. – Don’t go for the tie! Go for the win!) However, besides the Vandals, their wins are DII Chadron State and Houston Christian who are the 2nd worst team in the Southland. The question is was the Idaho game just a one-off victory? I listened to an interview with Ed Lamb and he is a class act. I like him way more than Brennan Marion. Sac continues to be an enigma at 3-3. Both of these teams need the win to stay technically eligible to be in the playoff conversation. I am going with my gut - UNC TO WIN – 35-28.


So where does this leave the Sky for playoff chances? Three pretty much a given (MSU, Gris, Davis) and one more likely (NAU or Sac State) but it looks like 5 like last year is not going to happen. Unless the rest of the FCS beats itself up. The FCS is still loaded with teams undefeated against the FCS or with only one loss.

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Post by TomCat88 » Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:42 am

Chase Mason injury might have an impact on this. He’s believed to either have turf toe or an ankle injury.


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Post by ZebraCat » Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:44 pm

@Catprint Pulling a small piece from your latest breakdown here. "more egregiously is they have the CAA with 3 bids and UCC with only 1. This is not going to happen. UAC will get 2, maybe 3 and CAA 2 at the most."

The bolded seems to be a very bold statement. There's a good chance there are 3 CAA teams with at least 9 wins. They don't all get in? At this point, what UAC teams other than Tarleton get in?



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Re: 2025 Path to the Playoffs 2025 Path to the Playoffs -Week 8 – BYE, BYE the Bye? Short Week – Playoff Committee Top 1

Post by Catprint » Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:15 pm

ZebraCat wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:44 pm
@Catprint Pulling a small piece from your latest breakdown here. "more egregiously is they have the CAA with 3 bids and UCC with only 1. This is not going to happen. UAC will get 2, maybe 3 and CAA 2 at the most."

The bolded seems to be a very bold statement. There's a good chance there are 3 CAA teams with at least 9 wins. They don't all get in? At this point, what UAC teams other than Tarleton get in?
Definitely a fluid situation. Some FCS "experts" do have the CAA with 3 bids. There are three reasons it might happen.

1) The problem with the CAA is the very unbalanced schedule and the resultant weak SOS of the top teams. Future SOS is 53 for Nova, 74 for Monmouth, 79 for Rhode Island. Yes, they could all end up with 9 wins and maybe they do get in. But the future SOS is really bad for at-large teams. URI doesn't play Nova or Monmouth so they have yet to beat a team with a winning record. It is totally possible that URI gets in the playoffs, maybe even at 10-2!, without winning a single game against a team with a winning record. That has got to be a travesty. Imagine if the Cats played that schedule?

2) The Big Sky and to an extent the MVFC are beating each other up. In the Big Sky, Idaho is basically out of the picture and NAU is holding on just barely and needs to string together some wins. If the Big Sky only gets 3 spots, those 2 extra we got last year have to go somewhere.

3) Finally, the UAC and Southland are stronger conferences than the CAA but they need to get at least 3 bids each to keep a third CAA team out. Its looking less likely that Abilene Christian gets in with their latest loss. A do think UAC will get 2 bids (Tarleton and Austin Peay) and it is possible the Southland gets three (Lamar, SELA and SFA) but it is not a given.

I haven't put together a rough bracket yet as I am concentrating on the Top 8 Seeds for another week or two. But maybe after last week's results where Idaho lost, ACU lost and SIU and Ill State lost, (all teams expected to be in the 24 team field); it is more probable 3 CAA teams get in because none of the top 3 teams have a remaining games against a decent teams. Like cake walks. Actually, kinda of sad when you think about it.



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Post by Montanabob » Wed Oct 22, 2025 11:01 pm

Catprint wrote:
Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:15 pm
ZebraCat wrote:
Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:44 pm
@Catprint Pulling a small piece from your latest breakdown here. "more egregiously is they have the CAA with 3 bids and UCC with only 1. This is not going to happen. UAC will get 2, maybe 3 and CAA 2 at the most."

The bolded seems to be a very bold statement. There's a good chance there are 3 CAA teams with at least 9 wins. They don't all get in? At this point, what UAC teams other than Tarleton get in?
Definitely a fluid situation. Some FCS "experts" do have the CAA with 3 bids. There are three reasons it might happen.

1) The problem with the CAA is the very unbalanced schedule and the resultant weak SOS of the top teams. Future SOS is 53 for Nova, 74 for Monmouth, 79 for Rhode Island. Yes, they could all end up with 9 wins and maybe they do get in. But the future SOS is really bad for at-large teams. URI doesn't play Nova or Monmouth so they have yet to beat a team with a winning record. It is totally possible that URI gets in the playoffs, maybe even at 10-2!, without winning a single game against a team with a winning record. That has got to be a travesty. Imagine if the Cats played that schedule?

2) The Big Sky and to an extent the MVFC are beating each other up. In the Big Sky, Idaho is basically out of the picture and NAU is holding on just barely and needs to string together some wins. If the Big Sky only gets 3 spots, those 2 extra we got last year have to go somewhere.

3) Finally, the UAC and Southland are stronger conferences than the CAA but they need to get at least 3 bids each to keep a third CAA team out. Its looking less likely that Abilene Christian gets in with their latest loss. A do think UAC will get 2 bids (Tarleton and Austin Peay) and it is possible the Southland gets three (Lamar, SELA and SFA) but it is not a given.

I haven't put together a rough bracket yet as I am concentrating on the Top 8 Seeds for another week or two. But maybe after last week's results where Idaho lost, ACU lost and SIU and Ill State lost, (all teams expected to be in the 24 team field); it is more probable 3 CAA teams get in because none of the top 3 teams have a remaining games against a decent teams. Like cake walks. Actually, kinda of sad when you think about it.
well now it is time for the at large CAA teams to have a play in game week 1. see how they like what happens out west....


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Post by RockyBearCat » Thu Oct 23, 2025 10:44 am

Catprint wrote:
Sat Oct 18, 2025 11:35 am
BIG SKY TEAMS
Last week I was 4-1 in the Big Sky. I should have gone with my gut when I expressed I was concerned UNC could beat Idah and picked UNC. Won’t make that mistake again. Only 3 BSC games this week. I am picking one upset.

Weber @ PSU – Why even mention this game? No spoiler roles. PSU is looking at a 0-12 season as a real possibility. Weber has to win out to even be on the bubble of the bubble. Not going to happen with games against Sac State and the Cats and NAU on the horizon. But I still would like to see how they play on the road. I think they can win. Weber TO WIN – 24-17

Idaho @ Eastern- Now this is an interesting game. Have the Vandals to win all along but after last week, I’m not sure what to say. Idaho is dead last in defense in Big Sky Games. UNC tore them apart. Are the Bears that good? Is Idaho that bad? I don’t think anyone knows. Idaho takes two different FBS teams to the wire; barely beats two weak FCS teams and then pretty much crushed by Gris and UNC. My gut says Eastern is really horrible and the Vandals get some defensive stops. IDAHO TO WIN – 31-28

UNC @ Sac State – Really scary what UNC did to Idaho last week on the road no less. The Bears are 3-3 but they are ONLY TWO PLAYS from being 5-1 (at the 28 of CSU in the last 20 seconds; at the 2-yard line of USD with a first and ten in the last 30 seconds and couldn’t punch it in. – Don’t go for the tie! Go for the win!) However, besides the Vandals, their wins are DII Chadron State and Houston Christian who are the 2nd worst team in the Southland. The question is was the Idaho game just a one-off victory? I listened to an interview with Ed Lamb and he is a class act. I like him way more than Brennan Marion. Sac continues to be an enigma at 3-3. Both of these teams need the win to stay technically eligible to be in the playoff conversation. I am going with my gut - UNC TO WIN – 35-28.

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Post by catscat » Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:14 pm

Check the date on his predictions. 18th - before the games last week. Haven't seen any from him for this week.


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Post by RockyBearCat » Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:53 pm

catscat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:14 pm
Check the date on his predictions. 18th - before the games last week. Haven't seen any from him for this week.
My bad. I actually double checked and thought I saw the 19th.

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Post by catscat » Thu Oct 23, 2025 7:11 pm

RockyBearCat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:53 pm
catscat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:14 pm
Check the date on his predictions. 18th - before the games last week. Haven't seen any from him for this week.
My bad. I actually double checked and thought I saw the 19th.

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Post by Catprint » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:24 pm

catscat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 7:11 pm
RockyBearCat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:53 pm
catscat wrote:
Thu Oct 23, 2025 1:14 pm
Check the date on his predictions. 18th - before the games last week. Haven't seen any from him for this week.
My bad. I actually double checked and thought I saw the 19th.

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WEEK 9 – Part 1 - Will the Marker erase one of the DSUs from the TOP 2? Who we want to Lose

Post by Catprint » Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:47 pm

WEEK 9 – Part 1 - Will the Marker erase one of the DSUs from the TOP 2? Who we want to Lose!

This week I divide the post into two parts – partially due to time and partly because I wanted to get my NDSU-SDSU game thoughts out. I exam who we want to lose the Dakota Marker and who else we want to lose this week. Later I will update the Top 8 seeds, other playoff seeds.

MARKER GAME

I am not going to make any predictions or analysis of The Dakota Marker. There are tons of podcasts and posts and articles all over the internet. What I am going to do is look at who the Cats want to lose and the consequences of various scenarios this weekend. Because I value my opinion so much, I have not read the existing post by @MSUcat44 until I finish my write up and post! Only then will I see what is the consensus. Probably the worst part of the whole deal is The Marker is on at the exact same time as the Cats game. What are the odds? We almost never play a night game mid-season unless against a UC Davis or the like. Not sure if I will try to watch both or only the Cat game. The problem with recording the game is the ESPN+ commentators may show or discuss the status of the NDSU/SDSU game during the MSU-Cal Poly game. At least there won’t be a rolling headline at the bottom of the screen showing the scores.

I will say there is a huge set of competing factors at play this Saturday with regard to the Cats and our seeding in the playoffs. Since we lost the head-to-head to SDSU, that is a reason to want SDSU to win. But SDSU is #2 in the polls, so maybe we want them to lose as they might drop further. NDSU is a strong #1 so if they lose, that may not move them more than a few votes behind SDSU. The committee may very well put NDSU at #2. But we all hate NDSU more than SDSU – or at least I think we do. Let’s look at the 4 options for the game and Saturday and then make a call. I list these in my view of most likely to least likely – at least in my opinion. All of discussion and projects after each scenario is based on the following assumptions:
1) MSU wins handily at Cal Poly.
2) Gris win at Sac State (regardless of how poorly they perform) and
3) Tarleton State continues to roll (winning their FCS games by an average margin of 29.4 points!).
If one of those changes on Saturday, they all bets are off and the consequences of the Dakota Marker may vary.

#1 – NDSU wins in a close or OT game – maybe by 10 points or less.

Scenario: The game is back and forth all night. No one is dominating. But NDSU seems to be making more plays. Cole Payton has an outstanding game with the pass and with his legs. The Bison control the time of possession. In the end, the Bison score late and/or hold off SDSU from a last-minute score on the strength of their defense.

Monday’s Poll: Obviously, NDSU is #1. However, I think it is highly unlikely that SDSU drops. I give them a 90% chance of still being #2. When SDSU beat the Cats, we simply changed positions and only by a few votes. This leaves 3,4, and 5 the same – UTT, Gris and Cats. No real change.

Playoff Seeding: This is a little more nuanced result and depends on what happens down the road. Assuming SDSU wins out and performs decently in their games, it is hard to imagine them dropping from number 2. I think there would be some chance for Tarleton State or the Gris to sneak into the #2 seed. But that only happens if one of them wins out. In this scenario, there is NO chance the Cats get the number 2 seed even if we win out and Tarleton State loses say to ACU or Austin Peay on the last day of the year.

Conclusion: Not the best results for the Cats. We likely get the #4 seed if we win the Brawl and earn a trip to the Fargo Dome where we are like 0 for nothing.


#2 – NDSU wins by 2 scores or a little more – not a true blow out but a statement win.

Scenario: The game stays close for a half. But then Cole Payton starts to show off his running skills and Bryce Lance makes some out of this world catches. Chase Mason is worn down some due to his injury and simply under performs. SDSU defense starts to show some weaknesses and loses the time of possession as they can’t stop NDSU. NDSU scores twice in the fourth quarter and pulls out a 31 – 17 victory.

Monday’s Poll: Bison #1. Now this result is a little more exciting. What happens to SDSU? I think a number of the voters are tired of the MVFC dominance and see this a reason to drop the Jack’s to number 3 or even 4. If Tarleton looks strong EKU (who made the playoffs last year) and wins by 25 or 30, they could easily be #2. Gris may or may not slip into #3 spot. I suppose it depends on how the Panda’s do against the Clownbees. But CATS will find themselves still at number 5. I mean, we lost to SDSU, how are the voters to put us above them? Not going to happen.

Playoff Seeding: It is the actual committee and final seeding where this scenario has some juice. Mason didn’t play well. Maybe the Jacks are not that hot of a team. Maybe they stumble down the line – lose at UND? Play poorly a couple of times? Clearly, there is a load of speculation about where the bus is going but if SDSU plays poorly in the Marker at home, what do the remaining games look like – against USD, Ill. State and UND? My thought is this scenario shows some holes in the Jacks armor and they could lose another game.

Conclusion: Could see NDSU #1, Tarleton State #2; MSU #3; SDSU #4 --- maybe. Seems like a good spot for the Cats come Nov. 23. Only scenario where we don’t play a DSU in the semis. If, a BIG if, the marker game is a reflection of things to come. I realize it assumes SDSU plays poorly in a couple of games.

#3 – SDSU wins in a close game; very close

Scenario: Cole Payton seems a little out of rhythm. Mason’s injury really was not that bad and he throws some excellent passes. The Jacks are juiced by their crowd and their home winning streak of 33 games (always a sore spot on my butt!). The game stays close but Jacks make the winning drive this year instead of the Bison. Jacks win 28-27.

Monday’s Poll: SO, Jacks #1 – clearly. NDSU? Still number 2 and maybe not very far behind. On a neutral field like in Nashville many voters will say NDSU wins the next round. The rest of the spots don’t change.

Playoff Seeding: One advantage of this scenario for the Cats is our loss to SDSU looks even better as a “Quality Loss”. Only FCS loss is to the #1 team in 2OTs. That is all good and well. However, NDSU has a high probability to take vengeance on the rest of their schedule and finishes at 11-1. As many have point out (in @Prodigalcats post on the Top 2), the history of NDSU and the MVFC bias will almost certainly land NDSU in #2 spot. Tarleton at #3 and Cats at #4. We likely end up in the semis at Brookings (Again, pretty huge assumptions along the way but gotta go with the flow). But even if Tarleton stumbles, we get the #3 and go to Fargo.

Conclusion: Maybe the best we can expect. If we still grab the #4 seed out of this mess and don’t have to go to the Fargodome.

#4 – SDSU wins by 10 or more points. Nothing close to a blowout.

Scenario: The crowd is into the game. Jacks score quickly. Get a couple of stops. Go up 10-0 early in the second. NDSU regroups and Payton bust through for a 65-year scramble TD. But the teams trade scores and NDSU simply can’t get the stops. Game flirts around 38-28 near the end. The Bison are not so might after all.

Monday’s Poll: SDSU #1, Tarleton State #2, NDSU #3, Panda’s and Cats follow. Could happen. But game might need to be more a blow out for this poll result. Voters, rightfully so, have too much respect for the Bison for them to drop too far.

Playoff Seeding: Not sure much different result. A poor showing by NDSU at Brookings will not likely reflect their drop off the rest of the season. Very possible seeding goes SDSU-1; NDSU -2; UTT-3; Cats-4; Gris-5. I throw this out because it is possible we match up again with the Gris only this time at home.

Conclusion: This option doesn’t give us much chance for a #2 seed and the #3 seed in this scenario is a trip to the Fargo Dome.

What would be Best Result? Honestly, even with the head-to-head loss, I think the best thing is for an NDSU blow out that reflects SDSU is not as strong as people think. Sure, that makes the Cats rely on a second stumble by the Jacks but it is the ONLY solid path to a #3 spot or even a very unlikely #2 seed. An SDSU victory will leave NDSU and Tarleton State ahead of the Cats in most scenarios.

WWWTL

Overall, we are not getting much help from upsets or upstarts. Got a couple last week. These next couple weeks are critical for the Cats moving up in the playoff seed conversation.

Last Week

1) YGU@ Ill. State –ISU TO LOSE. Got this one. Brings ISU closer to elimination but still leaves Youngstown on the brink as well. Each need one or two more losses. YGU has one for sure against NDSU and maybe against Southern Illinois.
2) UND @ SIU – SIU TO LOSE. Got it. The downside is that UND is hot and maybe they could knock off the winner of the Marker and result in another 3-way tie in the MVFC?? -
3) Stony Brook @ Monmouth –– MONMOUTH TO LOSE - NOPE
4) URI @ UAlbany – URI TO LOSE. Nope and URI actually had an offense for a chance. Looking more possible for 3 CAA teams in the playoffs.
5) Tennessee Tech @ Lindenwood – TT TO LOSE. NOPE
6) WCI @ The Citadel –WCI TO LOSE. NOPE.
7) West Georgia @ Tarleton State –UTTS TO LOSE. NOPE – really needed this one. Maybe the Texans are a top 4 team? They have offense AND defense every game.
8 ) Abilene Christian @ Southern Utah –ACU TO LOSE – GOT IT, Now we need to ACU to exchange the favor down the road when they play Tarleton State.

This Week – Who we want to lose.

There are number of possible upsets. Reminder, I don’t list just any old game. For example, the odds of Bryant upsetting Rhode Island this weekend are nearly zero. Sure, it would be great but isn’t going to happen.

1) William & Mary @ New Hampshire – Both of these teams technically in the running for a playoff spot. Need both of them to have at least 4 if not 5 losses. UNH already has 4 losses and they still play Monmouth so W&M TO LOSE.
2) Illinois State @ South Dakota – This is like a playoff elimination game. The loser will have 4 losses and will almost certainly lose another game. ISU still has to play SDSU and SIU while USD has UND, SDSU, and SIU. Given the lighter schedule of ISU, it seems USD could easily drop 2 of their next three so we want ISU to LOSE.
3) SEMO @ Tenn. Tech – At this point, I only see one bid coming out of the OVC/Big South and it will be Tenn. Tech but even so someone needs to knock these guys down the ladder. It is frightening to think they could get a Top 8 or even Top 6 seed so TT to LOSE.
4) SFA @ East Texas A&M – It is best if the Southland only has 2 bids. SFA is the best candidate out of Lamar, SELA, and SFA. SFA still has to play Lamar but even then, they still might be 8-4 but they would only have 7 DI wins so SFA to LOSE.
5) Tarleton @ Eastern Kentucky – This is one of three games Tarleton has a chance of losing (other two being Abilene Christian and Austin Peay). Their schedule was front loaded with the easy conference games. EKU suffered a bad loss last week so maybe they will be motivated to play their A game. Regardless, UTT to LOSE.


Friday night or Saturday morning for part 2 including Big Sky games ... Oops forgot about the Friday nite under the California sky...

Pandas @ Clown Bees – Sac State seems to have found at least some buzz with their offense. They are generating points. Since their opening 2 losses, they average 42 points a game. That is respectable but until you realize no ranked wins and everyone they played has a losing record. The QB play has been inconsistent while the run game has been good. However, not sure Sac State has anything like a defense giving up 28 points a game in the same stretch. I have watched two of their games and I am not sure how they stop anyone. This will be a problem against the Gris. Even though I am not totally convinced Gris are number 4 in the country, they certainly are good. The combination of Ah Yat, Gillman and Wortham is difficult to stop. The Gris defense will give up some points (20 plus for sure) but there seems to be no way in hell that Sac State is going to keep the Gris from scoring at least 35 points. Sure, an upset would benefit the Cats (mostly but then maybe Sac State goes on a run?) but I don’t see it happening. Take the Black and White Bears 41 to 24 over the Stingerless Bees. (and it may not be that close)

Rest of it tomorrow. GO CATS!



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