Beat down!!!!

[JoeCatsJoe]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

[iaafan]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

We lost to SDSU at home.

That’s why I didn’t say better execution.

[iaafan]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

[iaafan]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

Schemes were not good vs Mercyhurst. Not necessarily more talent than SDSU

Wasn’t saying at any specific time. Just better overall.

[iaafan]

I loved it when Vigen said that we still have things to work on defensively.

Our second defense would still be the best defense in the BSC.

They wouldn't. If they were all 2s at every level they are super young. Talented but lack of experience would catch up.

Super young? Super better. Look at the depth chart. Who has a better D than our 2s?

[iaafan]

We had three starters out yesterday and still held EWU to 3 points. Most everyone had them scoring 20. lol. 20. I’ll be surprised if anyone scores 20 on us this year.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

So we don’t have better execution, since they out executed us

[MSU01]

I loved it when Vigen said that we still have things to work on defensively.

Our second defense would still be the best defense in the BSC.

They wouldn't. If they were all 2s at every level they are super young. Talented but lack of experience would catch up.

Super young? Super better. Look at the depth chart. Who has a better D than our 2s?

Last year there was a noticeable drop-off when MSU got up big and brought in the backups on defense. This year, the backups are good enough that they're getting rotated in with the starters at pretty much every position on the field. I have to think a guy like Seth Brock would start for most other Big Sky teams. To my eye the defense definitely has more depth of talent compared to last year's team.

[iaafan]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

So we don’t have better execution, since they out executed us

It’s not that difficult to understand.
We had bad execution in that game.

[iaafan]

I loved it when Vigen said that we still have things to work on defensively.

Our second defense would still be the best defense in the BSC.

They wouldn't. If they were all 2s at every level they are super young. Talented but lack of experience would catch up.

Super young? Super better. Look at the depth chart. Who has a better D than our 2s?

Last year there was a noticeable drop-off when MSU got up big and brought in the backups on defense. This year, the backups are good enough that they're getting rotated in with the starters at pretty much every position on the field. I have to think a guy like Seth Brock would start for most other Big Sky teams. To my eye the defense definitely has more depth of talent compared to last year's team.

DL: Crews, Solano, Marsh and Black
LBs: Taylor or Daily and Krahe
CBs: Williams and Carr
S: Petre and Dolan
NB: Meredith

Backups
DL: Brock, Sharbono, Asiaga and Frederickson
LB: Ahrens and Steel
CB: Boyd and Thomas
S: Ross and Ohalete
NB: Coleman

The rotation would be a little rough but that’s a damn good D.

[TomCat88]

Along with the defense MSU’s cover teams are really good, which makes sense considering they’re mostly defensive players.

[TomCat88]

Go watch Lamson’s first pass. Moving left, just before he gets hit he throws on the money to Steel who is doubled. Next level stuff.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

So we don’t have better execution, since they out executed us

It’s not that difficult to understand.
We had bad execution in that game.

So your claim is that we have better execution than a team that we played and out executed us at home, under the lights, with a record crowd? I just don't buy it.

[iaafan]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

So we don’t have better execution, since they out executed us

It’s not that difficult to understand.
We had bad execution in that game.

So your claim is that we have better execution than a team that we played and out executed us at home, under the lights, with a record crowd? I just don't buy it.

No. My claim is that we didn’t have good execution in that game. Or…yes, we needed to have better execution. I mean we literally had poor execution on two punts and that resulted in two tds. One a 21-yard drive and the other about. Execute those punts and we most likely wins.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I knew before I opened this thread that it would start out with some high fives, then slowly begin to devolve into a how bad EWU is I thought EWU did a pretty good job offensively, relatively speaking. Statistically, they were screwed by that -24 bad snap. Take that out and they're about the same as every FCS team MSU has played:

SDSU - 65 plays, 297 yards (4.6)
USD - 52-209 (4.0)
MH - 59-263 (4.5)
EWU - 64-255 (4.0)
(All without starting LB Daily and starting safety Uluilakepa; C. Dowler was out for most of yesterday's game)

MSU is incredibly consistent on defense so far, regardless of opponent. The style of defense they use is supposed to look like the above stats if it has the players and they're disciplined. Some defenses are high risk and get a lot of big plays and sacks, especially against lower-level teams, but it turns out to be fool's gold when they run into a team with the same or better physicality. MSU stuffs the run and gets pressure with four rushers. When it doesn't, the coverage is good enough to keep teams from getting into any kind of run.

Defensively, EWU isn't good but was victimized by its punter giving MSU good field position. Were it not for one of the best passes I've seen covering MSU at the end of the first half, EWU might've only been down 24-0 and would've pitched a shutout in the second quarter. Again, not saying EWU is a good defense but it had a lot working against it. The fake FG, their punter, MSU's pass game.

If their punter was good, MSU might have scored less, but would’ve had a lot more yards. Talent difference was notable.

We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.

And SDSU. Kind of an important omission

Didn’t execute in that one.

So we don’t have better execution, since they out executed us

It’s not that difficult to understand.
We had bad execution in that game.

So your claim is that we have better execution than a team that we played and out executed us at home, under the lights, with a record crowd? I just don't buy it.

No. My claim is that we didn’t have good execution in that game. Or…yes, we needed to have better execution. I mean we literally had poor execution on two punts and that resulted in two tds. One a 21-yard drive and the other about. Execute those punts and we most likely wins.

I think they would say the same tho. If they lose, they feel like they didn’t execute, since they also missed a field goal, had a punt blocked for a TD, and a TO. I’m just not sure how to try and claim that we are a team that generally executes better than anyone else in the country when we got out executed in a game and lost.

[iaafan]

This is what I said:
“We’ve had more talent, better coaching, better schemes, than everyone we’ve played and everyone we’re going to play except Oregon.”

I didn’t mention execution because we haven’t always executed well. But we do have more talent, better coaching and better schemes. If we’re executing well, we won’t lose.