FIRE EVERYONE!

[coloradocat]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

[Norsky19]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

[RKMCMT]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

Yeah, IIRC last year we rostered around twice as many in-state kids vs NDSU. They've had a national recruiting advantage for quite some time (partly to do with Minnesota being relatively populous).

We're closing the gap, but it's still a relative disadvantage. And one you hate to close entirely. Being a Montanan team is still a priority to balance.

[coloradocat]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

Yeah, IIRC last year we rostered around twice as many in-state kids vs NDSU. They've had a national recruiting advantage for quite some time (partly to do with Minnesota being relatively populous).

We're closing the gap, but it's still a relative disadvantage. And one you hate to close entirely. Being a Montanan team is still a priority to balance.

Other than hoping these coin flip games will flip our way in the future the only thing we can probably do is spend more money on NIL to close the gap on out of state players.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

My dude. The entire FCS has a DSU problem.

This most recent game, championship game, playoff game in Bozeman against NDSU were realistically coin flip games. Could have gone either way. For the most part, before those games, they were just flat better than us. I’m not trying to say it isn’t a problem, but I’d be much more concerned if the games weren’t even competitive. Honestly, a lot of this is just fan talk because we don’t have anything else to talk about. Vigen can, and will, beat them.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

Yeah, IIRC last year we rostered around twice as many in-state kids vs NDSU. They've had a national recruiting advantage for quite some time (partly to do with Minnesota being relatively populous).

We're closing the gap, but it's still a relative disadvantage. And one you hate to close entirely. Being a Montanan team is still a priority to balance.

To be fair to NDSU, they’re basically in Minnesota.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

When you think about it, this is all because more Swedes and Norwegians didn’t relocate here. Instead we got stuck with the damn Dutch.

[RKMCMT]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Dakota schools have some rich fertile grounds for recruiting. They seem to get all those big Minnesota farmer boys. Midwest Hog Mollies.

Yeah, IIRC last year we rostered around twice as many in-state kids vs NDSU. They've had a national recruiting advantage for quite some time (partly to do with Minnesota being relatively populous).

We're closing the gap, but it's still a relative disadvantage. And one you hate to close entirely. Being a Montanan team is still a priority to balance.

To be fair to NDSU, they’re basically in Minnesota.

Somewhat... But no more than Idaho is in Washington. The attraction is probably mostly self-perpetuating at this point from all the success. But I'm guessing in the beginning, there was some strategy to it.

[91catAlum]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

Not quite bro. The griz beat them in missoula with bob frickin stitt as coach, and then also in the semi's in 2023 after we couldn't do it. I think the griz are 2-2 vs. ndsu over the last 15 years, where MSU is 0-6 including 4 blowout losses.

[91catAlum]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

My dude. The entire FCS has a DSU problem.

This most recent game, championship game, playoff game in Bozeman against NDSU were realistically coin flip games. Could have gone either way. For the most part, before those games, they were just flat better than us. I’m not trying to say it isn’t a problem, but I’d be much more concerned if the games weren’t even competitive. Honestly, a lot of this is just fan talk because we don’t have anything else to talk about. Vigen can, and will, beat them.

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.
But I'm not one of the crackpots who wants a coaching change, I'm just wondering out loud why we can't get lucky once in a while and get a win against them.

[RKMCMT]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

They won on a missed conversion and we lost on one.

That's how tight the differences are at this point. Fortune plays its part. That's sports.

[91catAlum]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

They won on a missed conversion and we lost on one.

That's how tight the differences are at this point. Fortune plays its part. That's sports.

Yes, 1 or 2 games can be chalked up to luck. What about 5?

[RKMCMT]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

They won on a missed conversion and we lost on one.

That's how tight the differences are at this point. Fortune plays its part. That's sports.

Yes, 1 or 2 games can be chalked up to luck. What about 5?

It's never only luck. But there get to be enough factors that you can't really parse anymore. Point remains we've built to a place that probably only one program in the country wouldn't trade places with. And the program fundamentals are still trending our way.

It's coming. And you can't bail out based on bad coin flips until it becomes 100% obvious the problem is something else.

[BelligerentBobcat]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

They won on a missed conversion and we lost on one.

That's how tight the differences are at this point. Fortune plays its part. That's sports.

Yes, 1 or 2 games can be chalked up to luck. What about 5?

Like I said, the last couple have been very even. The first few they were a lot better.

[CodyCat]

We almost always almost win against the DSU’s…

[iaafan]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

The Griz haven’t “managed” to beat SDSU since 2021. In fact, the Griz have only managed to play them twice. They lost by 20 and 18 and it wasn’t that close. The Jacks averaged about 7 yards per play and um 3.5 in 2023 and um scored twice in last minutes after being down 35-3.

They’ve only played NDSU twice in the same span. The other game was a 49-26 loss and they scored with about a minute to play to make it look a little closer.

So in their last four games over 4 years they’ve been wiped out three times and beat an unseeded NDSU team in double overtime. MSU has played them five times. Yes, only one win but it didn’t take OT and it didn’t rely on a punt returner. It was by 14 point. It was a second half shutout.

Let’s also keep in mind that we went on the road and beat the #1 seed and also beat a USD team, which beat NDSU a couple weeks earlier by 14.

[HookedOnGriz]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

Beat dsus and the gris in Missoula and I’ll be proven wrong about Vigen. I hope I’m wrong and he smokes the gris and one or both of the dsus in the playoffs. If he doesn’t then a pattern is emerging and it needs to be addressed.

Implying I’m a gris fan when truthfully I’d rather be caught in the gears of a combine because I’m questioning Vigen’s ability to beat a dsu is some impressive mental gymnastics. You can check the evidence on this one but his record against the dsus isn’t very good.

He has beaten a DSU in the playoffs.

Once in 5 tries, and sdsu wasn't even seeded that year, they won two road games to make the semi's that year.

Vigen is a great coach, I hope he stays as many years as he wants. But he seems to have a dsu problem. Even the griz have beaten ndsu once or twice. Could be an anomaly but it keeps happening, so at some point you gotta ask why. I don't think that's unreasonable.

He's got the same dsu problem as everyone else in the country but his teams have probably performed better than any other coach in the country as far as the scores go. He's also beaten a dsu as many times as the griz have in the last 15 years.

The Griz are 3-4 vs the DSUs since 2015. Stitt actually beat NDSU and SDSU in his inaugural year.

[Buckaroo Bonzi]

I remember 17 years of Praying for a win against the Gris ~ we are on a good Trajectory

[tetoncat]

a.129 teams
* Only four current FCS have made Natty in last 5 years;
* Only 7 in last 10.
* It is a very elite group to even get to a Natty (skipping the joke of season 2020).
b. In last 20 years, FCS Champions still in the FCS - NDSU, SDSU, Villanova, Richmond (Fluke), Eastern Washington – 5 teams
c. In last 10 years – Still in FCS - NDSU, SDSU
d. Last 5 years – Appearances and Wins
NDSU – 4 appearances, 3 wins
SDSU – 2, 2
MSU – 2, 0
UM – 1, 0
JMU – 1,0

3) Who are Good teams? Elite? What Tier?
a. Listen to McKinnell’s Podcast today – No question – NDSU, SDSU and MSU are the elite teams
b. Read Herder’s article – No doubt MSU is on the same level of NDSU and SDSU.
c. Follow the other FCS experts. Nearly all say the same thing – MSU is in tier 1.
d. Read the Polls – at 0-2, still number 4.

Finally, every FCS school with anything resembling a decent team (past and present) – NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, SIU, Ill State, MSU, UM, Idaho, Sac State, UC Davis, Villanova, Richmond, Tarleton State, UIW, ad nauseum… They all say when hiring a coach – our goal is to win the conference; make a deep playoff run, be a national champion. If you are top tier team – tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, 4 or whatever; -- that is what you say. But only 2 have done it in the last 10 years. What happens to these unsuccessful coaches who win the conference; go the playoffs, get to the Natty but don’t win a championship?… Hmm, they move up to FBS, to the big bucks… Choate, Eck, Uremovich, Lamb, Clark, Abell, Taylor… ad Nauseum.

Two things can be true at the same time
1) The Bobcats are an elite team and are in the Top FCS Tier
2) The Bobcats have not beaten NDSU in last 5 years and beat SDSU only once in 5 years.

Finally, all this can be true and I can still be disappointed in the results from Saturday; believe we could have done better; wished we had held serve in Bobcat stadium. Doesn't mean I am complacent. When it is all said and done, it is just 20 year old something boys learning to find their place in life where 99% of them are going to take jobs like you and I have every day.

This is why I said it’s really just semantics at this point. Just an opinion of what puts what teams in what tier. I don’t disagree with a single thing you said about the Cats. They have been an elite program over the last half decade. We’re primed to be a very good team for years to come in my opinion.

I’ve already said I think we run the table until the Brawl in which the home team has dominated so that could go either way. Only game that gives me pause is at NAU just cause it’s AT NAU where we never seem to have our A-game. But I think we find a way to win.

So with ALL that being said, and how elite I think this program has been, I still can’t put them in the same tier of the two teams that have won the last 4 national championships and 7 of the last 8. Two teams we can’t beat except for one single time. Which I loved and it was an electric day!

I just simply can’t see how people think we belong in the same group as two teams that win championships and two teams that have beaten us basically every time we’ve played them?

Still love this team. Love the coaching. Hoping I can grow to love the play calling. Love our program and our future. Love our prospects of getting a top seed. Love our chances of making a run at a title. All those things are true in my mind. I’m just of the belief that at some point, we need to show we can beat the Dakotas cause that’s what it’s gonna take to win it all.

Hypothetical for you. If Cats had beaten NDSU last year and lost last weekenddoes that put them on their level. How about if had beaten NDSU the year before,lost to Griz in Semi, and then lost last two. How many wins vs DSUs does it take? Or what if Cats had one championship but got blown out that last time at home vs NDSU and last weekend, re we at their level with a crown.

[91catAlum]

That is true 100%. But like I said even the griz managed to beat ndsu once in the playoffs. It gets frustrating.

The Griz haven’t “managed” to beat SDSU since 2021. In fact, the Griz have only managed to play them twice. They lost by 20 and 18 and it wasn’t that close. The Jacks averaged about 7 yards per play and um 3.5 in 2023 and um scored twice in last minutes after being down 35-3.

They’ve only played NDSU twice in the same span. The other game was a 49-26 loss and they scored with about a minute to play to make it look a little closer.

So in their last four games over 4 years they’ve been wiped out three times and beat an unseeded NDSU team in double overtime. MSU has played them five times. Yes, only one win but it didn’t take OT and it didn’t rely on a punt returner. It was by 14 point. It was a second half shutout.

Let’s also keep in mind that we went on the road and beat the #1 seed and also beat a USD team, which beat NDSU a couple weeks earlier by 14.

Sam Houston was a huge win but that's not a dsu school, which is the conversation currently.

I didn't say we suck, i didn't say Vigen hasnt won any big games. And I didn't say the griz managed to beat sdsu. So I'm not sure what part of my post you're debating.