FIRE EVERYONE!

[rfischer94]

As a wise man once said “stats are for losers.” At the end of the day, the only stat that matters is the score. MSU hasn’t faired well in this statistical category against the Dakotas. Moral victories are a temporary solution to a larger problem. That’s the point I’m making. Like I said, cats have narrowed the gap in recent years but haven’t been able to break thru when it counts. The receipts are in the final scores.

So if we lost 45-0 and looks years away from building a team good enough to beating them, you’re cool with that?

At least there would be no doubt, coming up short is more frustrating than getting routed out of the building. The complacency of “almost” from the fan base and coaches is getting old.

Why are saying it’s complacency? I don’t see anyone being complacent. Things are just handed to you on a platter. You need to not only analyze the bad but the good. Fans in this situation over think things. I feel strongly that we’re just as good and we will beat them if we stay the course. I don’t think we’ll never beat cuz we’ve lost four close games. I would if we were losing like we did the previous four. What was it 39-18, 38-10, 42-14, 52-10. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. There’s still work to do but we don’t need to reinvent the wheel or just quit.

How many years have we been “staying the course”? How many more will it take? I want to mark my calendar so I know when “staying the course” will result in a national championship. Should I buy my Frisco tickets for 2033 or wait til 2035? Obviously there is a schedule and we’re right on time I’m just impatient.

You acting entitled.

And you are being complacent.

Complacency implies "uncritical satisfaction" with one's achievements (from Lord Google).i don't think that describes the fan base. None of us are satisfied with coming up short to the XDSUs. We are just disappointed and frustrated. Or at least i am.

[rfischer94]

I hope I’m wrong and my frustrations with Vigen are nothing more than small missteps. I hope he’s thinking of all the things to fix this and beat them in the playoffs. I hope all of the people not seeing anything wrong are right. If thats the case it means the plane is gonna be one trophy heavier taking off from Frisco that the plane that left Bozeman. That will be a great day.

If that’s not the case then something has to be done to beat the dsus and the gris in missoula. I think that starts with a new HC. Am I right? Who knows

Either win in which case I’m wrong about Vigen and my skepticism was overplayed or my detractions of Vigen are anccurate and I think a change of leadership is in order.

I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I would hope we can agree that being a Bobcat is great and winning makes it that much sweater. I hope Vigen accomplishes the goals he was hired to achieve. If he doesn’t show him the door.

Jeff Choate was 4-0 against the gris in Missoula but never sniffed the chipper & is looking like hes way out of his depth at Nevada.

And he was a pretty good coach here.

The idea that we are going to replace an 77% win rate coach with a 100% win rate coach is totally absurd.

And he also lost to Idaho State, an indignity Vigen has never allowed to befall the team.

[RKMCMT]

The actual streak soaked up most of 2 decades so probably not close.

[coloradocat]

I wasn't paying attention during the streak so its possible that this is a bad analogy. Is the Bobcats' repeated losses to the XDSUs this generation's "streak?"

We beat SDSU in 2021 so no, it's not the right analogy.

You could maybe make the case for our history against NDSU alone but it's different in multiple ways as well. Besides being shorter (so far), they aren't a traditional rival and they aren't even in the conference. In the other direction, every time we've played them has been a playoff game. One thing that both "streaks" have in common is that each loss ended our season.

[rfischer94]

I wasn't paying attention during the streak so its possible that this is a bad analogy. Is the Bobcats' repeated losses to the XDSUs this generation's "streak?"

We beat SDSU in 2021 so no, it's not the right analogy.

You could maybe make the case for our history against NDSU alone but it's different in multiple ways as well. Besides being shorter (so far), they aren't a traditional rival and they aren't even in the conference. In the other direction, every time we've played them has been a playoff game. One thing that both "streaks" have in common is that each loss ended our season.

[PapaG]

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Didn’t know where else to put this, but I am very impressed with the image that Dan Jackson portrayed in all of the media I saw of him prior to the game and also the interviews at halftime and end of fame. He just seems to get it and have something that will lead him to a decent FCS job in the future.

I know living in Brookings sounds terrible, but to say being HC of SDSU (apparently in the top tier of just 2 teams, according to this thread) isn't a decent FCS job is WILD! (had to poke a little fun at your typo since this thread is a bit heated)

Whoops, meant FBS. My bad!

[Cataholic]

So out of the 40 some posters in this thread, basically 1 or 2 want coaches to be fired. Pretty much sums up just how much grish8 is out of his mind.

[RICO CAT]

[RickRund]

In years past I would be fuming on the way home to Helena about incompetence or poor coaching or players that are not competing. We have enjoyed the last 4 years of the best teams we have ever had at MSU including the championship years (because of how players have been getting better and better).

Last night didn't even bother me. I enjoyed the game immensely. I was disappointed at the fumbles, but the game was fabulous!

SDSU is a great team. That will be proven later on in this year. Vigen has given us some of the best fan experience of my 76 years. That started in 1966 with Jim Sweeney, Dennis Erickson, Jan Stenerud and Don Hass. Just look at the attendance. You are crazy to question our coach. He feels worse than you that the game went as it did. Do you think his coaching made us fumble or kept us from scoring touchdown like Tommy did? Thank the Bobcat gods for Brent Vigen!

Great post!

[catzz]

This entire thread is bogus. Bad look for recruits, parents etc. I think all just put Mr griz lover on block and quit wasting our time. After Cats win this weekend with 300 plus yards of rushing he will be quite for 3 months yet again..

[Catprint]

OMG

1) Vigen as Head Coach

a. Coach of the year – only Bobcat coach to win the Eddie Robinson award and only Bobcat who got coach of the year in last 40 years.
b. FCS Central – Zach McKinnell, the reigning king of FCS knowledge along with his statistical genus, Timothy Rosario - Long podcast in spring of 2025. Top 10 coaches in the FCS - Vigen #1 – no question.
c. Win/Loss Record – Unsurpassed in Bobcat history.
d. Last 4 years
* Semis – 3 times
* Natty Appearances -2 times
* No other Bobcat coach anywhere near that record.

2) FCS Champions Discussion. Yes, everyone wants the golden ring but…

a.129 teams
* Only four current FCS have made Natty in last 5 years;
* Only 7 in last 10.
* It is a very elite group to even get to a Natty (skipping the joke of season 2020).
b. In last 20 years, FCS Champions still in the FCS - NDSU, SDSU, Villanova, Richmond (Fluke), Eastern Washington – 5 teams
c. In last 10 years – Still in FCS - NDSU, SDSU
d. Last 5 years – Appearances and Wins
NDSU – 4 appearances, 3 wins
SDSU – 2, 2
MSU – 2, 0
UM – 1, 0
JMU – 1,0

3) Who are Good teams? Elite? What Tier?
a. Listen to McKinnell’s Podcast today – No question – NDSU, SDSU and MSU are the elite teams
b. Read Herder’s article – No doubt MSU is on the same level of NDSU and SDSU.
c. Follow the other FCS experts. Nearly all say the same thing – MSU is in tier 1.
d. Read the Polls – at 0-2, still number 4.

Finally, every FCS school with anything resembling a decent team (past and present) – NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, SIU, Ill State, MSU, UM, Idaho, Sac State, UC Davis, Villanova, Richmond, Tarleton State, UIW, ad nauseum… They all say when hiring a coach – our goal is to win the conference; make a deep playoff run, be a national champion. If you are top tier team – tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, 4 or whatever; -- that is what you say. But only 2 have done it in the last 10 years. What happens to these unsuccessful coaches who win the conference; go the playoffs, get to the Natty but don’t win a championship?… Hmm, they move up to FBS, to the big bucks… Choate, Eck, Uremovich, Lamb, Clark, Abell, Taylor… ad Nauseum.

Two things can be true at the same time
1) The Bobcats are an elite team and are in the Top FCS Tier
2) The Bobcats have not beaten NDSU in last 5 years and beat SDSU only once in 5 years.

Finally, all this can be true and I can still be disappointed in the results from Saturday; believe we could have done better; wished we had held serve in Bobcat stadium. Doesn't mean I am complacent. When it is all said and done, it is just 20 year old something boys learning to find their place in life where 99% of them are going to take jobs like you and I have every day.

[JoeCatsJoe]

OMG

1) Vigen as Head Coach

a. Coach of the year – only Bobcat coach to win the Eddie Robinson award and only Bobcat who got coach of the year in last 40 years.
b. FCS Central – Zach McKinnell, the reigning king of FCS knowledge along with his statistical genus, Timothy Rosario - Long podcast in spring of 2025. Top 10 coaches in the FCS - Vigen #1 – no question.
c. Win/Loss Record – Unsurpassed in Bobcat history.
d. Last 4 years
* Semis – 3 times
* Natty Appearances -2 times
* No other Bobcat coach anywhere near that record.

2) FCS Champions Discussion. Yes, everyone wants the golden ring but…

a.129 teams
* Only four current FCS have made Natty in last 5 years;
* Only 7 in last 10.
* It is a very elite group to even get to a Natty (skipping the joke of season 2020).
b. In last 20 years, FCS Champions still in the FCS - NDSU, SDSU, Villanova, Richmond (Fluke), Eastern Washington – 5 teams
c. In last 10 years – Still in FCS - NDSU, SDSU
d. Last 5 years – Appearances and Wins
NDSU – 4 appearances, 3 wins
SDSU – 2, 2
MSU – 2, 0
UM – 1, 0
JMU – 1,0

3) Who are Good teams? Elite? What Tier?
a. Listen to McKinnell’s Podcast today – No question – NDSU, SDSU and MSU are the elite teams
b. Read Herder’s article – No doubt MSU is on the same level of NDSU and SDSU.
c. Follow the other FCS experts. Nearly all say the same thing – MSU is in tier 1.
d. Read the Polls – at 0-2, still number 4.

Finally, every FCS school with anything resembling a decent team (past and present) – NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, SIU, Ill State, MSU, UM, Idaho, Sac State, UC Davis, Villanova, Richmond, Tarleton State, UIW, ad nauseum… They all say when hiring a coach – our goal is to win the conference; make a deep playoff run, be a national champion. If you are top tier team – tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, 4 or whatever; -- that is what you say. But only 2 have done it in the last 10 years. What happens to these unsuccessful coaches who win the conference; go the playoffs, get to the Natty but don’t win a championship?… Hmm, they move up to FBS, to the big bucks… Choate, Eck, Uremovich, Lamb, Clark, Abell, Taylor… ad Nauseum.

Two things can be true at the same time
1) The Bobcats are an elite team and are in the Top FCS Tier
2) The Bobcats have not beaten NDSU in last 5 years and beat SDSU only once in 5 years.

Finally, all this can be true and I can still be disappointed in the results from Saturday; believe we could have done better; wished we had held serve in Bobcat stadium. Doesn't mean I am complacent. When it is all said and done, it is just 20 year old something boys learning to find their place in life where 99% of them are going to take jobs like you and I have every day.

Great post. My sentiments exactly!