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Re: RB Group

Post by kwcat » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:37 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:18 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm
Ifanse was strong and when healthy was impressively agile. But he has the wrong legs for durability which is why he was overlooked by FBS and probably passed on along with accumulated injury by the NFL.
Choate mentioned that Isaiah was a tad too slow for FBS, that’s why he was overlooked. When he came back after his injury though, he looked like he was faster than before.

Here are his pro day numbers.

40-yard dash (4.59), bench press (19) and vertical jump (36.5"), which would have been eighth among running backs at the combine.
Too bad he never found a spot.
Never doubted his heart



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Re: RB Group

Post by AFCAT » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:45 pm

kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:37 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:18 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm
Ifanse was strong and when healthy was impressively agile. But he has the wrong legs for durability which is why he was overlooked by FBS and probably passed on along with accumulated injury by the NFL.
Choate mentioned that Isaiah was a tad too slow for FBS, that’s why he was overlooked. When he came back after his injury though, he looked like he was faster than before.

Here are his pro day numbers.

40-yard dash (4.59), bench press (19) and vertical jump (36.5"), which would have been eighth among running backs at the combine.
Too bad he never found a spot.
Never doubted his heart
Oh, he is still a legend in my mind. Toughest runner I’ve ever seen at MSU.


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Re: RB Group

Post by kwcat » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:52 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:45 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:37 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:18 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm
Ifanse was strong and when healthy was impressively agile. But he has the wrong legs for durability which is why he was overlooked by FBS and probably passed on along with accumulated injury by the NFL.
Choate mentioned that Isaiah was a tad too slow for FBS, that’s why he was overlooked. When he came back after his injury though, he looked like he was faster than before.

Here are his pro day numbers.

40-yard dash (4.59), bench press (19) and vertical jump (36.5"), which would have been eighth among running backs at the combine.
Too bad he never found a spot.
Never doubted his heart
Oh, he is still a legend in my mind. Toughest runner I’ve ever seen at MSU.
I think as he was coming to MSU either Boise State or Washington came after him and offered him. But he stuck with MSU because he said that’s who I’ve been showing him support for months before. That’s a lot of character



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Re: RB Group

Post by AFCAT » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:57 pm

kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:52 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:45 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:37 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:18 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm
Ifanse was strong and when healthy was impressively agile. But he has the wrong legs for durability which is why he was overlooked by FBS and probably passed on along with accumulated injury by the NFL.
Choate mentioned that Isaiah was a tad too slow for FBS, that’s why he was overlooked. When he came back after his injury though, he looked like he was faster than before.

Here are his pro day numbers.

40-yard dash (4.59), bench press (19) and vertical jump (36.5"), which would have been eighth among running backs at the combine.
Too bad he never found a spot.
Never doubted his heart
Oh, he is still a legend in my mind. Toughest runner I’ve ever seen at MSU.
I think as he was coming to MSU either Boise State or Washington came after him and offered him. But he stuck with MSU because he said that’s who I’ve been showing him support for months before. That’s a lot of character
Maybe, I’d be real surprised if he turned down UW. Choate said they had to recruit him again after his first year at MSU. Isaiah was prepared to leave after that year, but was convinced to stay.


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Re: RB Group

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:38 am

AFCAT wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:18 pm
kwcat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:57 pm
Ifanse was strong and when healthy was impressively agile. But he has the wrong legs for durability which is why he was overlooked by FBS and probably passed on along with accumulated injury by the NFL.
Choate mentioned that Isaiah was a tad too slow for FBS, that’s why he was overlooked. When he came back after his injury though, he looked like he was faster than before.

Here are his pro day numbers.

40-yard dash (4.59), bench press (19) and vertical jump (36.5"), which would have been eighth among running backs at the combine.
Pro day sprints will always be faster than combine sprints. They time differently.



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Re: RB Group

Post by SparkCat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:19 am

I’d say Humphrey was quicker to the line of scrimmage than Ifanse, however, both had ,to my eye test, similar top end speeds.

Humphrey his freshman year did not have the greatest vision or patience to find the hole, I remember coaches saying they moved him back a bit and that helped, this year Humphrey greatly improved in this area. However, what I remember of Ifanse is that he was surgical at the line of scrimmage. Extremely patient and at times it was almost a dance routine watching him find the hole, spin through defenders and keep going. I can also remember that Ifanse never had a ‘2nd gear’ in speed, but had a second gear in running with power, where it looked like he’d be forcefully digging into the ground and each stride following was an explosion.



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Re: RB Group

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:30 am

SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:19 am
I’d say Humphrey was quicker to the line of scrimmage than Ifanse, however, both had ,to my eye test, similar top end speeds.

Humphrey his freshman year did not have the greatest vision or patience to find the hole, I remember coaches saying they moved him back a bit and that helped, this year Humphrey greatly improved in this area. However, what I remember of Ifanse is that he was surgical at the line of scrimmage. Extremely patient and at times it was almost a dance routine watching him find the hole, spin through defenders and keep going. I can also remember that Ifanse never had a ‘2nd gear’ in speed, but had a second gear in running with power, where it looked like he’d be forcefully digging into the ground and each stride following was an explosion.
I don't know all the details but from what I saw, Humphrey failed his biggest test. He came off injury with five weeks of rest and didn't produce much vs. USD (11-35-1), then had another 3 weeks of rest and didn't produce vs. NDSU (11-26-1). It's not apples to apples, but when Ifanse went down (twice) he came back with solid performances (vs UCD in 2019 10-77 and vs WSU in 2022 playoffs 10-91), as did Julius Davis vs UCD (13-91) this year.

I'm not saying Humphrey stunk or that he didn't perform well vs some talented teams. He did well vs UNM and Idaho during the regular season. The meat/strong part of MSU's schedule didn't start until the UCD game meaning Humphrey racked up most of his yards vs subpar teams.

As I pointed out a couple weeks ago, Davis' performances in 2023 vs. top competition were off the charts. He's a proven commodity as he runs just as well, if not better, vs top competition. I believe nearly 500 of his 800 yards in 2023 came against SDSU, UM, WSU, SAC, and Idaho, and I think he was around 8.0 per carry.



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Re: RB Group

Post by SparkCat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:57 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:30 am
SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:19 am
I’d say Humphrey was quicker to the line of scrimmage than Ifanse, however, both had ,to my eye test, similar top end speeds.

Humphrey his freshman year did not have the greatest vision or patience to find the hole, I remember coaches saying they moved him back a bit and that helped, this year Humphrey greatly improved in this area. However, what I remember of Ifanse is that he was surgical at the line of scrimmage. Extremely patient and at times it was almost a dance routine watching him find the hole, spin through defenders and keep going. I can also remember that Ifanse never had a ‘2nd gear’ in speed, but had a second gear in running with power, where it looked like he’d be forcefully digging into the ground and each stride following was an explosion.
I don't know all the details but from what I saw, Humphrey failed his biggest test. He came off injury with five weeks of rest and didn't produce much vs. USD (11-35-1), then had another 3 weeks of rest and didn't produce vs. NDSU (11-26-1). It's not apples to apples, but when Ifanse went down (twice) he came back with solid performances (vs UCD in 2019 10-77 and vs WSU in 2022 playoffs 10-91), as did Julius Davis vs UCD (13-91) this year.

I'm not saying Humphrey stunk or that he didn't perform well vs some talented teams. He did well vs UNM and Idaho during the regular season. The meat/strong part of MSU's schedule didn't start until the UCD game meaning Humphrey racked up most of his yards vs subpar teams.

As I pointed out a couple weeks ago, Davis' performances in 2023 vs. top competition were off the charts. He's a proven commodity as he runs just as well, if not better, vs top competition. I believe nearly 500 of his 800 yards in 2023 came against SDSU, UM, WSU, SAC, and Idaho, and I think he was around 8.0 per carry.

I could not agree more. I think Ifanse had a memory of a goldfish and Davis has a tad of a killer instinct. Humphrey, a number of times in the championship game looked frazzled and was not able to shake off a bad run.



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Re: RB Group

Post by Lord Vigo » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:29 pm

I don’t know if he’s good enough for our level, but Landon Walker is the lead back at Colorado School of Mines and has the body type that the RB room is missing— 6’2” 225#.



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Re: RB Group

Post by VimSince03 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:35 pm

SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:57 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:30 am
SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:19 am
I’d say Humphrey was quicker to the line of scrimmage than Ifanse, however, both had ,to my eye test, similar top end speeds.

Humphrey his freshman year did not have the greatest vision or patience to find the hole, I remember coaches saying they moved him back a bit and that helped, this year Humphrey greatly improved in this area. However, what I remember of Ifanse is that he was surgical at the line of scrimmage. Extremely patient and at times it was almost a dance routine watching him find the hole, spin through defenders and keep going. I can also remember that Ifanse never had a ‘2nd gear’ in speed, but had a second gear in running with power, where it looked like he’d be forcefully digging into the ground and each stride following was an explosion.
I don't know all the details but from what I saw, Humphrey failed his biggest test. He came off injury with five weeks of rest and didn't produce much vs. USD (11-35-1), then had another 3 weeks of rest and didn't produce vs. NDSU (11-26-1). It's not apples to apples, but when Ifanse went down (twice) he came back with solid performances (vs UCD in 2019 10-77 and vs WSU in 2022 playoffs 10-91), as did Julius Davis vs UCD (13-91) this year.

I'm not saying Humphrey stunk or that he didn't perform well vs some talented teams. He did well vs UNM and Idaho during the regular season. The meat/strong part of MSU's schedule didn't start until the UCD game meaning Humphrey racked up most of his yards vs subpar teams.

As I pointed out a couple weeks ago, Davis' performances in 2023 vs. top competition were off the charts. He's a proven commodity as he runs just as well, if not better, vs top competition. I believe nearly 500 of his 800 yards in 2023 came against SDSU, UM, WSU, SAC, and Idaho, and I think he was around 8.0 per carry.

I could not agree more. I think Ifanse had a memory of a goldfish and Davis has a tad of a killer instinct. Humphrey, a number of times in the championship game looked frazzled and was not able to shake off a bad run.
Again, Humphrey struggling with breaking tackles was not just a post-injury 2024 thing. It reared its head during his freshman and sophomore seasons in situations you'd expect a back of his talent and strength to break those tackles. I'm intrigued to see how he does at the P4 level where tackling isn't necessarily better but the backers and safeties are BFS (bigger, faster, stronger).


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Re: RB Group

Post by superbobcat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:26 pm

If Davis stays healthy he could easily be league MVP. We will have the best 1 2 3 punch in the conference with Jones, Coon or Henley .



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Re: RB Group

Post by The Butcher » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:56 pm

VimSince03 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:35 pm
SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:57 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:30 am
SparkCat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:19 am
I’d say Humphrey was quicker to the line of scrimmage than Ifanse, however, both had ,to my eye test, similar top end speeds.

Humphrey his freshman year did not have the greatest vision or patience to find the hole, I remember coaches saying they moved him back a bit and that helped, this year Humphrey greatly improved in this area. However, what I remember of Ifanse is that he was surgical at the line of scrimmage. Extremely patient and at times it was almost a dance routine watching him find the hole, spin through defenders and keep going. I can also remember that Ifanse never had a ‘2nd gear’ in speed, but had a second gear in running with power, where it looked like he’d be forcefully digging into the ground and each stride following was an explosion.
I don't know all the details but from what I saw, Humphrey failed his biggest test. He came off injury with five weeks of rest and didn't produce much vs. USD (11-35-1), then had another 3 weeks of rest and didn't produce vs. NDSU (11-26-1). It's not apples to apples, but when Ifanse went down (twice) he came back with solid performances (vs UCD in 2019 10-77 and vs WSU in 2022 playoffs 10-91), as did Julius Davis vs UCD (13-91) this year.

I'm not saying Humphrey stunk or that he didn't perform well vs some talented teams. He did well vs UNM and Idaho during the regular season. The meat/strong part of MSU's schedule didn't start until the UCD game meaning Humphrey racked up most of his yards vs subpar teams.

As I pointed out a couple weeks ago, Davis' performances in 2023 vs. top competition were off the charts. He's a proven commodity as he runs just as well, if not better, vs top competition. I believe nearly 500 of his 800 yards in 2023 came against SDSU, UM, WSU, SAC, and Idaho, and I think he was around 8.0 per carry.

I could not agree more. I think Ifanse had a memory of a goldfish and Davis has a tad of a killer instinct. Humphrey, a number of times in the championship game looked frazzled and was not able to shake off a bad run.
Again, Humphrey struggling with breaking tackles was not just a post-injury 2024 thing. It reared its head during his freshman and sophomore seasons in situations you'd expect a back of his talent and strength to break those tackles. I'm intrigued to see how he does at the P4 level where tackling isn't necessarily better but the backers and safeties are BFS (bigger, faster, stronger).
Guess he won’t have to worry about P4 tacklers more than 2 times next season.



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Re: RB Group

Post by kwcat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:14 pm

superbobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:26 pm
If Davis stays healthy he could easily be league MVP. We will have the best 1 2 3 punch in the conference with Jones, Coon or Henley .
At this point, Coon is ahead of Henley by quit a margin



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Re: RB Group

Post by SparkCat » Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:24 pm

kwcat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:14 pm
superbobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:26 pm
If Davis stays healthy he could easily be league MVP. We will have the best 1 2 3 punch in the conference with Jones, Coon or Henley .
At this point, Coon is ahead of Henley by quit a margin
Just with in game reps maybe, I do think Henley has a much higher ceiling. There is a reason a portion of players were saying in interviews that Henley is a player to watch in the seasons to come.



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Re: RB Group

Post by nanacat » Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:46 am

I think if Davis stays healthy he will be phenomenal and will have serious NFL looks. The one two punch of him and Jones will be really hard to stop.



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Re: RB Group

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:56 am

I think if MSU can work more RBs into the equation it will help out overall. Last year it was Humphrey and Jones seemingly getting 90% of the carries as Mellott was more cautious and Davis on the bench when games were still undecided or tight. If they can work Coon, ULH, and anyone else they may have into the mix it would be helpful JMHO.

I'm not 100% sure what the deal was the last two games but the RBs weren't effective. I don't think it was the OL (per VIM's title game analysis). I just think Jones and Humphrey were worn down a little maybe. So hard to say. I don't think MSU loses to NDSU in 2023 or 2024 if Davis plays. Those games were so close and where MSU lacked in the 2024 game, he may have been the difference. His reps early in the UM game were pivotal in the first drive and same thing vs UC Davis this year. Just seems when they have that one extra guy the odds of someone having the right juice increases in critical games.


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Re: RB Group

Post by VimSince03 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:13 am

Might be something...might be nothing but they just updated the roster on msubobcats.com for 2025 and removed all of the graduates and portal guys. However, one player was still on the roster and it was Jared White. Has Vigen possibly changed his policy on portal entries given the current wild west environment or has the brain child that is msubobcats.com roster management forgot to take Jared off the website? Anyway, he is on there listed as a junior.

Oh and Cole Sain also is still listed.


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Re: RB Group

Post by RockyBearCat » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:38 am

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Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:13 am
Might be something...might be nothing but they just updated the roster on msubobcats.com for 2025 and removed all of the graduates and portal guys. However, one player was still on the roster and it was Jared White. Has Vigen possibly changed his policy on portal entries given the current wild west environment or has the brain child that is msubobcats.com roster management forgot to take Jared off the website? Anyway, he is on there listed as a junior.

Oh and Cole Sain also is still listed.
Cole Sain on there makes me happy. That would be a great deal for the OL.



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Re: RB Group

Post by AFCAT » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:42 am

VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:13 am
Might be something...might be nothing but they just updated the roster on msubobcats.com for 2025 and removed all of the graduates and portal guys. However, one player was still on the roster and it was Jared White. Has Vigen possibly changed his policy on portal entries given the current wild west environment or has the brain child that is msubobcats.com roster management forgot to take Jared off the website? Anyway, he is on there listed as a junior.

Oh and Cole Sain also is still listed.
And they have White listed as a junior, which he would be next year. I'm leaning towards a mistake by whatever assistant is keeping up the roster, but it would be cool to have White back and get him some meaningful touches in a game.


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Re: RB Group

Post by VimSince03 » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:54 am

AFCAT wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:42 am
VimSince03 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:13 am
Might be something...might be nothing but they just updated the roster on msubobcats.com for 2025 and removed all of the graduates and portal guys. However, one player was still on the roster and it was Jared White. Has Vigen possibly changed his policy on portal entries given the current wild west environment or has the brain child that is msubobcats.com roster management forgot to take Jared off the website? Anyway, he is on there listed as a junior.

Oh and Cole Sain also is still listed.
And they have White listed as a junior, which he would be next year. I'm leaning towards a mistake by whatever assistant is keeping up the roster, but it would be cool to have White back and get him some meaningful touches in a game.
The 2025 roster has moved all players to this year so White would be a junior for 2025.


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