MSU Fundraising - Facilities vs NIL Collective

[PapaG]

Would it be somewhat forward-thinking to slow down the facilities ‘arms race’ and instead put that money toward NIL $$ for student-athletes? It seems like facilities are a never-ending game of One-upmanship while money may be better served in going to recruiting players. By the time a facility project is complete, somebody else is improving on it elsewhere.

MSU does need some sort of inside practice facility IMO, which doesn’t need to cost a fortune, but why a costly stadium expansion in this new era of paying players?

It is just a thought on where college football is heading. I’m not advocating for it but rather am wondering how others think MSU should navigate the NIL era.

[Cat Grad]

NIL Collectives can't be associated with the college. They have to be separate entities from outside the school.

[coloradocat]

NIL Collectives can't be associated with the college. They have to be separate entities from outside the school.

I assume there's a significant overlap between people funding the Collective and people donating to the program directly or via QBC.

[coloradocat]

Would it be somewhat forward-thinking to slow down the facilities ‘arms race’ and instead put that money toward NIL $$ for student-athletes? It seems like facilities are a never-ending game of One-upmanship while money may be better served in going to recruiting players. By the time a facility project is complete, somebody else is improving on it elsewhere.

MSU does need some sort of inside practice facility IMO, which doesn’t need to cost a fortune, but why a costly stadium expansion in this new era of paying players?

It is just a thought on where college football is heading. I’m not advocating for it but rather am wondering how others think MSU should navigate the NIL era.

I'm not sure we are losing, or will lose, many recruits due to NIL competition. These guys still want fancy locker rooms and training facilities and don't want to practice outside in the winter/spring. Once we can give them that and take away some of the reasons not to come here we might need more NIL opportunities to pull ahead but I don't think that's the top priority at this point.

[kennethnoisewater]

Would it be somewhat forward-thinking to slow down the facilities ‘arms race’ and instead put that money toward NIL $$ for student-athletes? It seems like facilities are a never-ending game of One-upmanship while money may be better served in going to recruiting players. By the time a facility project is complete, somebody else is improving on it elsewhere.

MSU does need some sort of inside practice facility IMO, which doesn’t need to cost a fortune, but why a costly stadium expansion in this new era of paying players?

It is just a thought on where college football is heading. I’m not advocating for it but rather am wondering how others think MSU should navigate the NIL era.

I'm not sure we are losing, or will lose, many recruits due to NIL competition. These guys still want fancy locker rooms and training facilities and don't want to practice outside in the winter/spring. Once we can give them that and take away some of the reasons not to come here we might need more NIL opportunities to pull ahead but I don't think that's the top priority at this point.

I think you're right. We tend to think MSU is losing recruits because Texas is offering $1M NIL deals. MSU was never competing for those same players, so that's irrelevant. MSU--and we as donors--has to figure out who they're competing with for recruits, and then what disadvantages they have when compared to THOSE schools, and not Texas and Michigan and Georgia. If we're talking about coming up with $5k a year per player, is that really enough to move the needle? Maybe not. Maybe a great stadium and practice facilities make a bigger difference, I don't know.

[Cat Grad]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

Facilities (indoor practice space) should be the top priority. As mentioned before, I’m not so sure we are losing out on recruits due to lack of NIL.

[AFCAT]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

I always thought full cost of attendance would have to be funded by the school through donations or other means and not with taxpayers money. The BOR would have to approve FCOA but they don’t have anything to do with funding.

[Cat Grad]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

I always thought full cost of attendance would have to be funded by the school through donations or other means and not with taxpayers money. The BOR would have to approve FCOA but they don’t have anything to do with funding.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2015/1/18/aut ... ships.aspx

With my son, he had five years provided whether he got hurt or cut even though he graduated within three years because of dual enrollment coursework in high school. His stipend was pretty decent too.

[AFCAT]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

I always thought full cost of attendance would have to be funded by the school through donations or other means and not with taxpayers money. The BOR would have to approve FCOA but they don’t have anything to do with funding.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2015/1/18/aut ... ships.aspx

With my son, he had five years provided whether he got hurt or cut even though he graduated within three years because of dual enrollment coursework in high school. His stipend was pretty decent too.

How is FCOA funded?

[Cat Grad]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

I always thought full cost of attendance would have to be funded by the school through donations or other means and not with taxpayers money. The BOR would have to approve FCOA but they don’t have anything to do with funding.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2015/1/18/aut ... ships.aspx

With my son, he had five years provided whether he got hurt or cut even though he graduated within three years because of dual enrollment coursework in high school. His stipend was pretty decent too.

How is FCOA funded?

Depends on the school and state and how that school receives the athletic program's funding. MSU's prior football coach got pretty upset over the lack of funding for it.

[AFCAT]

In order to compete with the four Dakota schools (and Incarnate Word but their donor is somewhat unique to FCS schools) MSU needs to improve their facilities and step up the NIL offerings as long as the BOR will not fund FCOA and provide for stipends to the kids.

I always thought full cost of attendance would have to be funded by the school through donations or other means and not with taxpayers money. The BOR would have to approve FCOA but they don’t have anything to do with funding.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2015/1/18/aut ... ships.aspx

With my son, he had five years provided whether he got hurt or cut even though he graduated within three years because of dual enrollment coursework in high school. His stipend was pretty decent too.

How is FCOA funded?

Depends on the school and state and how that school receives the athletic program's funding. MSU's prior football coach got pretty upset over the lack of funding for it.

I remember him getting upset that the BOR wouldn’t approve FCOA unless both schools did the same thing. Finding the cash is also a huge issue.

[wbtfg]

Team success first

Individual profit second.

[PapaG]

NIL Collectives can't be associated with the college. They have to be separate entities from outside the school.

The same big donors support both factions. I’m wondering where the $$ is best spent. NILs from donors that help cover tuition/board costs for players basically circumvent the scholarship restrictions and increase the depth of talent. Even $5k/semester goes a long way in swaying decisions and would help attract in-state players who rarely get full-ride scholarships.

[PapaG]

Team success first

Individual profit second.

Those aren’t mutually exclusive. I see them as totally connected in a chicken-egg way.

[PortlandCat90]

Kinda sorta related but my daughter participated in an Indoor High School Track Meet in Norman over the weekend and the athletes warmed up in the IPF for OU. We need one. I was jealous. I can't help but think that the (true) additional practices that would be held in an IPF would greatly benefit us mixed with the one or two "make us men" practices in the snow.

Great topic, by the way. I think if we want to remain competitive the way we are now serious money needs to keep flowing, regardless of the source. Seems as if there is a golfer nearby riding the University's coat tails for some additional press that could grab a few buddies and chip in (pun intended). Would really boost recruiting in my mind. Plus that would be a long-term investment to the program.

[allcat]

Kinda sorta related but my daughter participated in an Indoor High School Track Meet in Norman over the weekend and the athletes warmed up in the IPF for OU. We need one. I was jealous. I can't help but think that the (true) additional practices that would be held in an IPF would greatly benefit us mixed with the one or two "make us men" practices in the snow.

Great topic, by the way. I think if we want to remain competitive the way we are now serious money needs to keep flowing, regardless of the source. Seems as if there is a golfer nearby riding the University's coat tails for some additional press that could grab a few buddies and chip in (pun intended). Would really boost recruiting in my mind. Plus that would be a long-term investment to the program.

They send me fundraising emails fairly often, do you think they haven't approached him. Maybe you would pay a bunch of money to golf with him.

[AFCAT]

Kinda sorta related but my daughter participated in an Indoor High School Track Meet in Norman over the weekend and the athletes warmed up in the IPF for OU. We need one. I was jealous. I can't help but think that the (true) additional practices that would be held in an IPF would greatly benefit us mixed with the one or two "make us men" practices in the snow.

Great topic, by the way. I think if we want to remain competitive the way we are now serious money needs to keep flowing, regardless of the source. Seems as if there is a golfer nearby riding the University's coat tails for some additional press that could grab a few buddies and chip in (pun intended). Would really boost recruiting in my mind. Plus that would be a long-term investment to the program.

They send me fundraising emails fairly often, do you think they haven't approached him. Maybe you would pay a bunch of money to golf with him.

To be fair, he already helped raise a bunch of scholly money in the Blue and Gold gala last Fall.

[PortlandCat90]

Kinda sorta related but my daughter participated in an Indoor High School Track Meet in Norman over the weekend and the athletes warmed up in the IPF for OU. We need one. I was jealous. I can't help but think that the (true) additional practices that would be held in an IPF would greatly benefit us mixed with the one or two "make us men" practices in the snow.

Great topic, by the way. I think if we want to remain competitive the way we are now serious money needs to keep flowing, regardless of the source. Seems as if there is a golfer nearby riding the University's coat tails for some additional press that could grab a few buddies and chip in (pun intended). Would really boost recruiting in my mind. Plus that would be a long-term investment to the program.

They send me fundraising emails fairly often, do you think they haven't approached him. Maybe you would pay a bunch of money to golf with him.

To be fair, he already helped raise a bunch of scholly money in the Blue and Gold gala last Fall.

Awesome - thanks for the info.

We were fortunate enough to be involved in a charitable fundraiser (non-MSU) at the Wilderness Club many moons ago. With the draw of Bozeman I would bet heavily that a strong partnership with Faldo would only pay dividends with his network. "The Sir Faldo & Friends Indoor Practice Facility and Golf Range" would fit perfectly across the main entance.

[PHAT CAT]

Kinda sorta related but my daughter participated in an Indoor High School Track Meet in Norman over the weekend and the athletes warmed up in the IPF for OU. We need one. I was jealous. I can't help but think that the (true) additional practices that would be held in an IPF would greatly benefit us mixed with the one or two "make us men" practices in the snow.

Great topic, by the way. I think if we want to remain competitive the way we are now serious money needs to keep flowing, regardless of the source. Seems as if there is a golfer nearby riding the University's coat tails for some additional press that could grab a few buddies and chip in (pun intended). Would really boost recruiting in my mind. Plus that would be a long-term investment to the program.

They send me fundraising emails fairly often, do you think they haven't approached him. Maybe you would pay a bunch of money to golf with him.

To be fair, he already helped raise a bunch of scholly money in the Blue and Gold gala last Fall.

Awesome - thanks for the info.

We were fortunate enough to be involved in a charitable fundraiser (non-MSU) at the Wilderness Club many moons ago. With the draw of Bozeman I would bet heavily that a strong partnership with Faldo would only pay dividends with his network. "The Sir Faldo & Friends Indoor Practice Facility and Golf Range" would fit perfectly across the main entance.

And Golf Range.... lol, I like it. Put up ball nets and the ladies golf team could use it too.