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Re: Defense

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Re: Defense

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MSU is the No. 1 ranked run defense in the BSC In conference games. 1st in ypg, 1st in TDs allowed, 0.1 behind 1st in ypc.
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Re: Defense

Post by CodyCat » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm

What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?


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Re: Defense

Post by Dmsubrew » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:48 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm
What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?
The D has been thrown a challenge. Coaching change the first playoff game. The question for the D is, do you rise up in adversity or do you fall down? The way this team has been built for a long time now is, you rise up. I think they'll rise up. Coach Daly was already on the rise. I think we have a good combination going into Saturday



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Re: Defense

Post by Team10 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:06 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm
What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?
I see this as the defense looking the same 95% of the time. Only thing that changes perhaps will be specific down and distance calls. OCs/DCs have tendencies to narrow their calls in specific down and distance situations and based on those tendencies opposing play callers will plays that counter those tendencies well. Pros and Cons to this - Pro: with Daly that making the calls the plays call may change a bit which could catch Weber off guard. Con: because the calls may change this could lead to better offensive production for Weber in those situations. It's a flip of a coin really. Players need to stick to their assignments and not try to make big plays.



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Re: Defense

Post by rfischer94 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:19 pm

Team10 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:06 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm
What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?
I see this as the defense looking the same 95% of the time. Only thing that changes perhaps will be specific down and distance calls. OCs/DCs have tendencies to narrow their calls in specific down and distance situations and based on those tendencies opposing play callers will plays that counter those tendencies well. Pros and Cons to this - Pro: with Daly that making the calls the plays call may change a bit which could catch Weber off guard. Con: because the calls may change this could lead to better offensive production for Weber in those situations. It's a flip of a coin really. Players need to stick to their assignments and not try to make big plays.
How much of the defense giving up explosive plays would you say comes back to players trying to do too much, versus communication errors or other factors?



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Re: Defense

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:20 pm

CodyCat wrote:
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What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?
Vigen has said he’s been happy with how the defense has performed the past two weeks, so my guess is Daly will do what’s been working of late. MSU isn’t going to make any drastic changes at this point in the season.

I’m neither going to overly praise Daly or blame him based on how the defense does in this game. No one should. They defense has gotten to where it is after a long process.


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Re: Defense

Post by Joe Bobcat » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:23 pm

My guess is that Coach Daly will have our defense play a little more aggressive on pass coverage. I have great faith that he's ready while at the same time expect a few hiccups like getting the calls in quick enough. Is there a chain reaction of other coach's responsibilities shifting a little as well? The steady way that coach Vigen handles his business will help this whole thing go off as well as can be expected.


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Re: Defense

Post by catatac » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:28 pm

Team10 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:06 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm
What are peoples thoughts on this weekends D looking different under Daly than Garza? I think its a safe assumption that scheme wont change at all. However, what formations within the scheme could be different. Thoughts?
I see this as the defense looking the same 95% of the time. Only thing that changes perhaps will be specific down and distance calls. OCs/DCs have tendencies to narrow their calls in specific down and distance situations and based on those tendencies opposing play callers will plays that counter those tendencies well. Pros and Cons to this - Pro: with Daly that making the calls the plays call may change a bit which could catch Weber off guard. Con: because the calls may change this could lead to better offensive production for Weber in those situations. It's a flip of a coin really. Players need to stick to their assignments and not try to make big plays.
Good post. I think Vigen will manage this situation appropriately, and if that means over riding Daly on certain calls, so be it. Honestly, I don't think any of us know how often he already over rides calls that Garza makes, or Housewright for that matter. I think the players will continue to improve in their assignments and fundamentals, so it does come down to the particular play calls on D. I could see Bobby just imitating the calls he's seen Garza make in most situations, with maybe a few exceptions where he thinks he has an idea that he things will work better than what Garza would have called. I like your estimate of this only being 5% different, if that makes sense.


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Re: Defense

Post by wbtfg » Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm

I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.



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Re: Defense

Post by Montanabob » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm

wbtfg wrote:
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I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.


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Re: Defense

Post by wbtfg » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:35 pm

Montanabob wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.
Oh I totally agree, but there really isn't a next man until we can get another person hired. I'm sure duties can be split and everyone shoulders a little more.



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Re: Defense

Post by kennethnoisewater » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:39 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:35 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.
Oh I totally agree, but there really isn't a next man until we can get another person hired. I'm sure duties can be split and everyone shoulders a little more.
Yeah it's not quite like losing a player where there's just a guy standing there basically doing nothing and waiting to get in on the action. I doubt there's a defensive coach just sitting around waiting for his turn. That's why I had asked about using analysts in a game where they previously weren't allowed to be involved in a game.


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Re: Defense

Post by wbtfg » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:41 pm

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:39 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:35 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.
Oh I totally agree, but there really isn't a next man until we can get another person hired. I'm sure duties can be split and everyone shoulders a little more.
Yeah it's not quite like losing a player where there's just a guy standing there basically doing nothing and waiting to get in on the action. I doubt there's a defensive coach just sitting around waiting for his turn. That's why I had asked about using analysts in a game where they previously weren't allowed to be involved in a game.
I know the ncaaa limits how many coaches you can have on staff. If a staff member is suspended, can you move an analyst into that spot, or would that put us over the allowable number of coaches?



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Re: Defense

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:36 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:35 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.
Oh I totally agree, but there really isn't a next man until we can get another person hired. I'm sure duties can be split and everyone shoulders a little more.
Another reason why they probably won’t do anything outside of what they usually do.


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Re: Defense

Post by Montanabob » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:08 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:36 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:35 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:48 pm
I don't think we really miss a beat. My biggest thing is we are missing a body on the sideline or booth for game management.
Next man up. We'll be fine.
Oh I totally agree, but there really isn't a next man until we can get another person hired. I'm sure duties can be split and everyone shoulders a little more.
Another reason why they probably won’t do anything outside of what they usually do.
Daly gets his chance to prove he deserves the position.


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