Swilly's swill--split from Lulay thread in Bobcat Athletics

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:15 pm

catamaran wrote:I guess guys like Elway are just "good quarterbacks"

Elway = 2 Super Bowls

Lulay = one playoff berth in 4 years in 1-AA

Big difference

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:19 pm

Swilly3224 wrote: Lulay = one playoff berth in 4 years in 1-AA

You sure about that one?

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:00 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:
catamaran wrote:I guess guys like Elway are just "good quarterbacks"
Elway = 2 Super Bowls

Lulay = one playoff berth in 4 years in 1-AA

Big difference

I'm just playing out your logic. A guy is only great if he sits in the fourth instead of leading a dramatic comeback

Another Arrogant Griz Fan · Post by **Another Arrogant Griz Fan** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:47 pm

catamaran wrote:I guess guys like Elway are just "good quarterbacks"

In a world where IAA football is the same level as NFL football, this logic would be reasonable. However, in this world, an apples-to-apples analogy would be to consider if Elway played for the Cats instead of Lulay. In that scenario, I have no doubt the Cats would have won 2 or 3 NCs.

Bay Area Cat wrote:So Edwards was a "great" QB, but Steve McNair wasn't even a good QB.

Pretzel logic.

McNair had virtually no help when he was at Alcorn State, and he still managed to win some playoff games. If you are going to argue the same for Lulay, that's fine but if that is the case then the Cats are in for some tough years without him.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:55 pm

Swilly's Swill.

Can we create an entire thread named "Swilly's Swill" where all this moron's pathetic one line attempts at smack automatically get forwarded?

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:55 pm

Another Arrogant Griz Fan wrote:
catamaran wrote:I guess guys like Elway are just "good quarterbacks"
In a world where IAA football is the same level as NFL football, this logic would be reasonable. However, in this world, an apples-to-apples analogy would be to consider if Elway played for the Cats instead of Lulay. In that scenario, I have no doubt the Cats would have won 2 or 3 NCs.

When are you going to realize that one player does not win football games by himself?!?! Football is the ultimate team game, and even John Elway would not have won us 2 or 3 NC's given everything else being the same.

Another Arrogant Griz Fan · Post by **Another Arrogant Griz Fan** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:04 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Another Arrogant Griz Fan wrote:
catamaran wrote:I guess guys like Elway are just "good quarterbacks"
In a world where IAA football is the same level as NFL football, this logic would be reasonable. However, in this world, an apples-to-apples analogy would be to consider if Elway played for the Cats instead of Lulay. In that scenario, I have no doubt the Cats would have won 2 or 3 NCs.
When are you going to realize that one player does not win football games by himself?!?! Football is the ultimate team game, and even John Elway would not have won us 2 or 3 NC's given everything else being the same.

I realize that it takes more than one guy. However, the quarterback is the most important position on the field and having a good one dramitically increases your chances for success. Let me ask you something. Was the rest of your team that bad that even with a quarterback like Lulay, you couldn't manage even a single playoff win all 4 years that he played? What specifically was to blame for Lulay's lack of playoff success?

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:19 pm

Another Arrogant Griz Fan wrote:I realize that it takes more than one guy. However, the quarterback is the most important position on the field and having a good one dramitically increases your chances for success. Let me ask you something. Was the rest of your team that bad that even with a quarterback like Lulay, you couldn't manage even a single playoff win all 4 years that he played? What specifically was to blame for Lulay's lack of playoff success?

Hard to say what specifically was to blame for our team's lack of playoff success. I wouldn't say that the team let anyone down with their performance at McNeese. They were clearly outmatched size-wise and depth-wise, yet they played with enough heart to come within an eyelash of upsetting the #1 team in the country on their home field the week after upsetting the griz on their home field. I think that game made every single one of us proud to be a Bobcat, even despite the loss.

I was much more disappointed in the loss to Northern Iowa. We lost that game because of a Joey Thomas injury and the lack of another big-play WR to compliment Scott Turnquist, who was coming off a separated shoulder, yet still managed to have a monster game.

The rest of the teams during Lulay's career weren't bad at all, but it just goes to show you that you have to have a very, very good team to make noise in the playoffs, you have to have an administration that schedules your season with the playoffs in mind, and you have to have a little luck go your way. Don't worry, though - we are improving every year, and we will make some serious noise in the playoffs in the very near future.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:32 pm

Yep, two playoffs in 4 years. Both on the road against quality opponents and good games. We did need to win more games to assure the home games that would have allowed Travis a more reasonable chance to win then he would be compared to some of the GRIZ greats i guess. This has been drug up before but what were the GRIZ records on road playoff games.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:38 pm

Ok then sports fans....who would you rather have:

John Edwards - 1 Griz NC
Travis Lulay - 2 playoff experiences, 2 losses

??

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:50 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:Ok then sports fans....who would you rather have:

John Edwards - 1 Griz NC
Travis Lulay - 2 playoff experiences, 2 losses

??

Hmm...

Does Edwards' daddy come with the deal? Jonny Billings wasn't THAT bad.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:04 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:Ok then sports fans....who would you rather have:

John Edwards - 1 Griz NC
Travis Lulay - 2 playoff experiences, 2 losses

??

Lulay

Edwards wasnt on the level of a good QB talent wise. Obviously he had the killer instinct to win a playoff game or two tho

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:15 am

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Another Arrogant Griz Fan wrote:
GOKATS wrote: KMA, Lulay will make the NFL.
That's a compelling argument, but look at it this way. If Lulay truly is an NFL-calibur quarterback, what does that say for the rest of your team and your coaching staff that you couldn't muster even a single playoff win during his 4-year tenure at the helm? Were the rest of the players that bad? I don't think so, I just think your assessment of Lulay is way overblown. If Lulay makes the NFL I'll be rooting him on all the way, although I may be a bit preoccupied with all the monkeys flying out of my butt.
Scats, can you please tell me how Lulay's current possibilities of making the NFL have anything to do with the MSU team not winning a playoff game while he was here?

I guess your logic, or lack thereof, neglects to understand that since he has clearly been invited to the combine, it's clear that his playoff performance while a Cat really has no relevance.

I dont recall ever saying that... I hope he does well, I just dont think he will make the NFL. CFL AFL You bet.

Catsfan · Post by **Catsfan** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:03 pm

He'll make it.. watch. What the hell is up with all the doubt?