Bobcat fans I salute you!!

[AlphaGriz1]

I will own up to it. If you bothered to read the entire thread I already made mention of the fact that I would be OK with Bobby getting fired. Some Griz Fans are going to let winning get in the way of doing the right thing to fix our program.

I did see that, but you seem to go back and forth, guess its just your desire to smack us that makes it look that way. I'll give you credit for it but the larger group over on egriz is willing to let BH have his way with your program.

Actually a large portion of eGriz is just not that smart, they see which way the wagon is headed and jump aboard. Very few think for themselves and those that do are labeled "bad fans" and negative.

It is sad that some people are so biased that they cannot admit when they are on the wrong side of an arguement. Certain fans over there have been damn close to saying the murder and burglary stuff is ok and that is just insane.

In the article about the Board of Regents telling both schools to fix the problem, Dennison said something "the evidence shows that we are headed in the right direction"

I looks like ingoring the problem, is a problem in the administration not just on egriz

http://billingsgazette.net/articles/200 ... egents.txt

I agree totally.

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

[tampa_griz]

Alpha and Grizlaw have owned up to it but Tampa and Savage seem to want to respond to the part above and ignore what Crazy said below. Does this mean that they support Bobby in my statment before? I think so.

So the reality is the Griz fans are overly sensitive about the fact that Bobby Hauck knowinly brings in players with prior problems (basically sells out) to have a good football team, then when they go bad in Missoula, he isn't held accountable.

Teflon Bobby. He does what he wants, when he wants and wins the BSC Coach of the Year! His bosses, Gov. Schweitzer (Don Corleone?), Dennison (Sonny Corleone) and O'Day (Michael Corleone) are even consumed by Bobby's charms. Schweitzer blames the fans, Dennison blames the UM Administration and O'Day says he has Bobby's back. You must be so proud. And judging by the thread at egriz congratulating him, that's the case for many Griz fans. Not all, so far Grizlaw is the only Griz fan in this thread that has stated that he'd rather be 7-4 and out of the playoffs without all the chaos than 11-0 and in the current state. I'm taking it that the rest are ignoring the question. I'm guessing the price (no playoffs) is too high?

1. I respond to the posts I want to respond to and ignore (or make fun of) the posts that are stupid irrespective to what you and crazy want me to do. Get to used to that. I don't have anything to "own up to".

2. Crazy already said that the Griz would be in the playoffs anyway if Quinn, Rassum, and Coleman weren't on the team. Then he asked if they were worth it. That makes no friggin' sense. Worth what? They don't matter in the playoff/record equation anyway.

3. I answered the (by crazy's own admission) hypothetical make-believe-land question.

4. This is the first time I've been asked if I support Hauck. But I guess I need to "own up to it"...whatever the hell that means. Yes.

[cats2506]

4. This is the first time I've been asked if I support Hauck. But I guess I need to "own up to it"...whatever the hell that means. Yes.

Given that Hauck has shown that he is willing to take known thugs into the program in order to win, do you support him, or do you feel that it is too big of a risk to the griz program?

Yes, meaning you support Bobby, means you are not owning up to the problem and ignoring it. Thats fine, your in the majority of those on egriz and in line with Dennison.

At least now we know exactly where you stand on the issue.

[tampa_griz]

4. This is the first time I've been asked if I support Hauck. But I guess I need to "own up to it"...whatever the hell that means. Yes.

Given that Hauck has shown that he is willing to take known thugs into the program in order to win, do you support him, or do you feel that it is too big of a risk to the griz program?

Yes, meaning you support Bobby, means you are not owning up to the problem and ignoring it. Thats fine, your in the majority of those on egriz and in line with Dennison.

At least now we know exactly where you stand on the issue.

And I hope you sleep better now that you know how I feel.

Every situation has its own ambiguities. Sometimes you let a kid with a troubled past in and he stays clean. Sometimes you let a coach stay on the staff after assaulting women and he ends up dealing meth. Ya just never know........

[cats2506]

4. This is the first time I've been asked if I support Hauck. But I guess I need to "own up to it"...whatever the hell that means. Yes.

Given that Hauck has shown that he is willing to take known thugs into the program in order to win, do you support him, or do you feel that it is too big of a risk to the griz program?

Yes, meaning you support Bobby, means you are not owning up to the problem and ignoring it. Thats fine, your in the majority of those on egriz and in line with Dennison.

At least now we know exactly where you stand on the issue.

And I hope you sleep better now that you know how I feel.

Every situation has its own ambiguities. Sometimes you let a kid with a troubled past in and he stays clean. Sometimes you let a coach stay on the staff after assaulting women and he ends up dealing meth. Ya just never know........

I really dont care how you try to justify it to yourself.

[tampa_griz]

I really dont care how you try to justify it to yourself.

Yes you do.

[cats2506]

I really dont care how you try to justify it to yourself.

Yes you do.

Sorry, I really dont care what you tell yourself when you look in the mirror. The statment above was an observation thats all.

[tampa_griz]

I really dont care how you try to justify it to yourself.

Yes you do.

Sorry, I really dont care what you tell yourself when you look in the mirror. The statment above was an observation thats all.

I don't talk to myself when I look in the mirror or anywhere else for that matter. But if I did.......you'd care.

[cats2506]

I really dont care how you try to justify it to yourself.

Yes you do.

Sorry, I really dont care what you tell yourself when you look in the mirror. The statment above was an observation thats all.

I don't talk to myself when I look in the mirror or anywhere else for that matter. But if I did.......you'd care.

I don't, and I'm done arguing with a narcissist.

[crazycat]

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

That's pretty much what I think, too. But where do you think they 'would' draw the line? What has to go haywire for Bobby to be reprimanded or just held accountable in some way. Aside from losing football games, that is. It just seems like Dennison and O'Day, even Schweitzer in a roundabout way, have Bobby's back no matter what goes wrong. If he brings in another kid with baggage and he runs amok, do you think they'll finally say they've had enough. Do you think Bobby has full rein to do as he pleases?

[tampa_griz]

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

That's pretty much what I think, too. But where do you think they 'would' draw the line? What has to go haywire for Bobby to be reprimanded or just held accountable in some way. Aside from losing football games, that is. It just seems like Dennison and O'Day, even Schweitzer in a roundabout way, have Bobby's back no matter what goes wrong. If he brings in another kid with baggage and he runs amok, do you think they'll finally say they've had enough. Do you think Bobby has full rein to do as he pleases?

Bobby's here to stay as long as he wants crazy. It's just the way it is. This obsession is going to start to negatively affect your health. Let go of the anger.....you'll feel better.

[crazycat]

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

That's pretty much what I think, too. But where do you think they 'would' draw the line? What has to go haywire for Bobby to be reprimanded or just held accountable in some way. Aside from losing football games, that is. It just seems like Dennison and O'Day, even Schweitzer in a roundabout way, have Bobby's back no matter what goes wrong. If he brings in another kid with baggage and he runs amok, do you think they'll finally say they've had enough. Do you think Bobby has full rein to do as he pleases?

Bobby's here to stay as long as he wants crazy. It's just the way it is. This obsession is going to start to negatively affect your health. Let go of the anger.....you'll feel better.

As I've stated, I don't want to see Bobby fired. MSU has more success against him than any UM coach in the past 25 years, so I hope he does stay. He's done a lot to soil your program, but few, including yourself, seem to mind yet. I just find it amazing that no one seems to care how he runs your program and gets carte blanche to do whatever he pleases.

[tampa_griz]

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

That's pretty much what I think, too. But where do you think they 'would' draw the line? What has to go haywire for Bobby to be reprimanded or just held accountable in some way. Aside from losing football games, that is. It just seems like Dennison and O'Day, even Schweitzer in a roundabout way, have Bobby's back no matter what goes wrong. If he brings in another kid with baggage and he runs amok, do you think they'll finally say they've had enough. Do you think Bobby has full rein to do as he pleases?

Bobby's here to stay as long as he wants crazy. It's just the way it is. This obsession is going to start to negatively affect your health. Let go of the anger.....you'll feel better.

As I've stated, I don't want to see Bobby fired. MSU has more success against him than any UM coach in the past 25 years, so I hope he does stay. He's done a lot to soil your program, but few, including yourself, seem to mind yet. I just find it amazing that no one seems to care how he runs your program and gets carte blanche to do whatever he pleases.

Really. Short of being fired, what do you propose "they" do to Bobby so that he can't have carte blanche to do whatever he pleases?

And thanks for the yourself "not minding" part. That was good stuff.

[crazycat]

UM will wait for public outrage to subside and then do nothing or very little to correct the problem. I have said this on eGriz and got hammered for it everytime. They do not like the truth and will fight to the bitter end to support all that they have in their lives. It's sad when a football game and a team are worth more to them than morals and good judgement.

Like I said before "Window Dressing"

That's pretty much what I think, too. But where do you think they 'would' draw the line? What has to go haywire for Bobby to be reprimanded or just held accountable in some way. Aside from losing football games, that is. It just seems like Dennison and O'Day, even Schweitzer in a roundabout way, have Bobby's back no matter what goes wrong. If he brings in another kid with baggage and he runs amok, do you think they'll finally say they've had enough. Do you think Bobby has full rein to do as he pleases?

Bobby's here to stay as long as he wants crazy. It's just the way it is. This obsession is going to start to negatively affect your health. Let go of the anger.....you'll feel better.

As I've stated, I don't want to see Bobby fired. MSU has more success against him than any UM coach in the past 25 years, so I hope he does stay. He's done a lot to soil your program, but few, including yourself, seem to mind yet. I just find it amazing that no one seems to care how he runs your program and gets carte blanche to do whatever he pleases.

Really. Short of being fired, what do you propose "they" do to Bobby so that he can't have carte blanche to do whatever he pleases?

And thanks for the yourself "not minding" part. That was good stuff.

I see you're still resorting to personal jabs.

I'd say they could tell/assure the public:

"In response to the recent criminal activity within the athletic department, and more specifically on the football team, the University will no longer accept football transfers that have criminal records." Obviously more drawn out that explains other reasons why and what the desired effect is. Right now, no one knows if this practice is even going to be altered slightly. I don't recall anyone saying that they're going to do anything. If so, please link me to that article.

Something to that effect with perhaps a timeline of 2-3 years with a statement detailing how those players will be reviewed and on what conditions they would be accepted in the future. And maybe this is already the case, if so, they should go public with it. It would be a good PR move. Maybe something's coming after the playoffs.

This wouldn't point a finger at Hauck specifically and would still be in line with what Dennison said about the administration reviewing all prospective recruits. However, it would still serve as a reprimand in that it limits Hauck's, shall we say, activity.

[ScottShay24]

All I'm wondering now is with Russum, Quinn and Coleman playing pretty big roles on your team (Russum and Quinn were 1st All-Big Sky), just how much has that taken away from your winning? Not that this would've happened, but would you rather have a 7-4 record and not be in the playoffs without them? Were they worth it?

That doesn't make any sense. If, as you say, we wouldn't be 7-4 with their absence, their presence doesn't make them worth anything.

But, if instead we would've been 7-4 without them, then yes to Quinn and Rassum. No to Coleman.

OK. Allow me to try that again.

Which would you prefer:

A) 11-0 and No. 3 seed with Russum, Quinn and Coleman on the team.
or
B) 7-4 and no playoffs without Russum, Quinn and Coleman.

You said B) wouldn't have happenned in the absence of Rassum, Quinn, and Coleman.

I didn't mean to.

How's this? "If" you had gone 7-4 w/o R, Q, and C, would you have preferred that over going 11-0 with R, Q and C and all the negativity they bring to the table?

Do the Griz beat the cats or lose to the cats?

"But it's your dog, get it?"