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This Daily Show segment is really interesting on a lot of levels:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
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I see that you have caved into the pc and don't refer to them as the Redskins.Bay Area Cat wrote:This Daily Show segment is really interesting on a lot of levels:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
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I've opted to be respectful of my Native friends and all other Natives and not proactively celebrate that particular bit of racial branding for the Washington DC football corporation.allcat wrote:I see that you have caved into the pc and don't refer to them as the Redskins.Bay Area Cat wrote:This Daily Show segment is really interesting on a lot of levels:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
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Why do so many indian high schools use this as a mascot it it is so offensive?
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What?Bay Area Cat wrote:I've opted to be respectful of my Native friends and all other Natives and not proactively celebrate that particular bit of racial branding for the Washington DC football corporation.allcat wrote:I see that you have caved into the pc and don't refer to them as the Redskins.Bay Area Cat wrote:This Daily Show segment is really interesting on a lot of levels:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
Give me a break
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Which Indian high schools use that as their mascot?MSUcantouchus wrote:Why do so many indian high schools use this as a mascot it it is so offensive?
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If you have a problem with me trying to avoid celebrating terms that offend people of a specific ethnic group, especially when there is absolutely no good reason on earth for me (or anyone) to celebrate that term in the first place, then good luck with that. I know I sure as heck wouldn't go around a reservation and address people as "Redskins." Would you?LongTimeCatFan wrote:What?Bay Area Cat wrote:I've opted to be respectful of my Native friends and all other Natives and not proactively celebrate that particular bit of racial branding for the Washington DC football corporation.allcat wrote:I see that you have caved into the pc and don't refer to them as the Redskins.Bay Area Cat wrote:This Daily Show segment is really interesting on a lot of levels:
http://deadline.com/2014/09/daily-show- ... rs-841549/
Give me a break
And yeah, the segment is great. Morphing something from a mascot to a real person has a profound affect on people.
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For a Montana take on the issue, here's a good article about Red Lodge changing their mascot back in 2011.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-a ... f747d.html
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-a ... f747d.html
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So do you also refer to the Atlanta Baseball organization. Or the Kansas City Football organization that way, or is this just a bandwagon jump for you? Or is this just a cheap attempt to be an allcat type of smartass?Bay Area Cat wrote:For a Montana take on the issue, here's a good article about Red Lodge changing their mascot back in 2011.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-a ... f747d.html
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The specific mascot? Don't know, but lets see......Flathead Braves, Browning Indians, Ronan Chiefs, Pryor/Plenty Coups Warriors; all NA schools using NA names/references/imagery. The mascot or logo isn't the only issue - the name Redskins is more of the hot button than the actual mascot/image.Bay Area Cat wrote:Which Indian high schools use that as their mascot?MSUcantouchus wrote:Why do so many indian high schools use this as a mascot it it is so offensive?
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Follow-up on this...
http://m.bigskypress.com/GreenRoom/arch ... daily-show" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://m.bigskypress.com/GreenRoom/arch ... daily-show" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Wow. Good stuff. Yeah, the victim complex on display by one particular person in this whole thing is really interesting, and I think this guy nailed it.wbtfg wrote:Follow-up on this...
http://m.bigskypress.com/GreenRoom/archives/2014/09/26/******" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yes he did, by letting us all know that if you go in to a situation trying to provoke others, then you can quietly and humbly play the victim card yourself.Bay Area Cat wrote:Wow. Good stuff. Yeah, the victim complex on display by one particular person in this whole thing is really interesting, and I think this guy nailed it.wbtfg wrote:Follow-up on this...
http://m.bigskypress.com/GreenRoom/archives/2014/09/26/******" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I don't know how many of you may have already seen this piece in the Tribune, but I think it's important to note that not all Native Americans find the nickname/logo to be offensive. If it's really true that someone from Olberman's staff reached out to Wetzel, it's disappointing that he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get his message out, regardless of his opinion of Olberman.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yep, there is no unanimous viewpoint on this. So far in this thread we have seen 8 natives opposed and one in favor.John K wrote:I don't know how many of you may have already seen this piece in the Tribune, but I think it's important to note that not all Native Americans find the nickname/logo to be offensive. If it's really true that someone from Olberman's staff reached out to Wetzel, it's disappointing that he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get his message out, regardless of his opinion of Olberman.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The thread is not that bad, why would anybody be opposed to it?Bay Area Cat wrote:Yep, there is no unanimous viewpoint on this. So far in this thread we have seen 8 natives opposed and one in favor.John K wrote:I don't know how many of you may have already seen this piece in the Tribune, but I think it's important to note that not all Native Americans find the nickname/logo to be offensive. If it's really true that someone from Olberman's staff reached out to Wetzel, it's disappointing that he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get his message out, regardless of his opinion of Olberman.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I just thought it was interesting that a guy whose father was instrumental in developing the Redskin's logo, not only wasn't offended by the nickname, but was actually very strongly in favor of keeping it. I have a hunch (and that's all it is... I have absolutely zero evidence to support it) that there may be a silent majority in the Native American community that feel similarly to Wetzel, but that like Wetzel, they're just not strongly motivated to get their message out to the public at large.Bay Area Cat wrote:Yep, there is no unanimous viewpoint on this. So far in this thread we have seen 8 natives opposed and one in favor.John K wrote:I don't know how many of you may have already seen this piece in the Tribune, but I think it's important to note that not all Native Americans find the nickname/logo to be offensive. If it's really true that someone from Olberman's staff reached out to Wetzel, it's disappointing that he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get his message out, regardless of his opinion of Olberman.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I don't find it all surprising that a guy who has a direct family connection to the creation of the logo has concluded that the marketing of the corporation in question isn't offensive. Especially after the Washington football corporation hosted him and honored his father (no doubt with an eye on PR to a large degree ... even if one were to believe that Snyder has a large heart).John K wrote:I just thought it was interesting that a guy whose father was instrumental in developing the Redskin's logo, not only wasn't offended by the nickname, but was actually very strongly in favor of keeping it. I have a hunch (and that's all it is... I have absolutely zero evidence to support it) that there may be a silent majority in the Native American community that feel similarly to Wetzel, but that like Wetzel, they're just not strongly motivated to get their message out to the public at large.Bay Area Cat wrote:Yep, there is no unanimous viewpoint on this. So far in this thread we have seen 8 natives opposed and one in favor.John K wrote:I don't know how many of you may have already seen this piece in the Tribune, but I think it's important to note that not all Native Americans find the nickname/logo to be offensive. If it's really true that someone from Olberman's staff reached out to Wetzel, it's disappointing that he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get his message out, regardless of his opinion of Olberman.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/ ... e/5528647/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But it looks like even close family members disagree with him on the name itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/one ... story.html
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I'm not going to take the time to find all potentially offensive mascots on reservations, but this is in Montana news this week: Sadly, Elvis Old Bull, one of Montana's greatest HS basketball players ever, was killed in a car wreck this week. Old Bull played for the Lodge Grass Indians (Lodge Grass is on the Crow reservation).
http://www.kxlh.com/news/montana-basket ... -in-crash/
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http://www.kxlh.com/news/montana-basket ... -in-crash/
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Not really sure why this very sad news is in this thread ... unless you are trying to suggest that a school operated by and comprised of Native Americans referring to themselves as "Indians" is the same as the Washington football corporation using "Redskins" as the branding for their business operations.91catAlum wrote:I'm not going to take the time to find all potentially offensive mascots on reservations, but this is in Montana news this week: Sadly, Elvis Old Bull, one of Montana's greatest HS basketball players ever, was killed in a car wreck this week. Old Bull played for the Lodge Grass Indians (Lodge Grass is on the Crow reservation).
http://www.kxlh.com/news/montana-basket ... -in-crash/
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